Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Levitate]

Having trouble navigating through your post but I do agree with you on win now move is a bad move.
3 years ago. Rangers ran out of gas (endurance)?
2 years ago. Rangers couldn’t win the board battles and were not quick enough.
This year. Rangers couldn’t/wouldn’t drive the middle. Weren’t strong enough. Back end undersized.
These aren’t my words, these are the words of Steve Valliqutte, Henrik Lundqvist and recently Brian Boyle in the final MSG Post Game shows of the years.
Can’t keep rolling back the same core with all those warts that the MSG team says are club have.

Yeah pretty much...like, if they just tweaked a few things they'd have a good shot. I mean, they had a good shot this year too, but whatever.
You can't keep running Lindgren out as #1 LD. Even if your thought is "well Fox benefits from having a stay at home partner" then go out and get a stay at home partner that's better than Lindgren. He's below replacement level. Don't trot him out there again as Fox's partner because of vibes. Is this a chill place for friends to hang or a goddamn NHL team trying to win a goddamn Stanley Cup?

Up front, Mikka's gotta do more. Can't keep using the excuse of "but he's matched up". Doesn't matter if you're matching up if you're basically underwater with that all the time and relying on your goalie to bail you out while you don't score. I had hopes he was turning it around in the first couple of rounds but he came up empty in round 3

make some changes, one way or another. Doesnt' have to be drastic, but somehow figure out how to make a difference

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Adin Hill won last year . No generational 1st overall picks on that team

Ok, so we just need to shut the team down, and restart it with an perfect expansion draft like they had.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Ok, so we just need to shut the team down, and restart it with a perfect expansion draft like they had.

We need to build a better team. One that doesn’t rely on the goaltender for everything.

 

[UnSandvich]

One guy I think could be a sneaky good acquisition for the Bottom 6 is Radek Faksa. Looking like he might be bought out to clear cap space, but currently has 1 year left at 3.2. 30 years old. Maybe try for a 2m x 3 and see if he bites?

 

[Machinehead]

Ok, so we just need to shut the team down, and restart it with an perfect expansion draft like they had.

Vegas has one bad player out of the entire group that sees the ice for them -- Brett Howden.

That's what we need to do. This organization needs to stop icing terrible players.

The goaltending is part of the issue. They employ bad defensemen because goaltending can mask defense.

 

[17futurecap]

Vegas has one bad player out of the entire group that sees the ice for them -- Brett Howden.

That's what we need to do. This organization needs to stop icing terrible players.

The goaltending is part of the issue. They employ bad defensemen because goaltending can mask defense.

Is 8 million on Jacob Trouba and a Ryan Lindgren extension.

 

[xsniper11x]

Ok, so we just need to shut the team down, and restart it with a perfect expansion draft like they had.

Not a single person in hockey looked at that roster day 1 and said “wow, those expansion rules gave them a great team.” It’s really quite amazing how ppl can’t get over the goalie obsession despite the mountains of evidence. I grew up in the 90s in the era of the goalie. It’s time to let it go.

VGK used their cap wisely and moved aggressively at the right times while simultaneously finding good value players w/ quality pro scouting. Ironically, the one really bad handed contract they did hand out was of course for a goalie (which almost always happens in goalie land). It’s just not how you win, as its a crutch that hides the flaws that you need to fix to win. Also, the fact we’ve got a goaltending coach that resurrects goalie’s careers as he breathes just makes this whole argument for overpaying a goalie even weirder.

 

[Levitate]

This team isn't just relying on Shesterkin in order to be good but yeah they also gotta tweak their 5v5 play to be more effective. I don't even care if they aren't like shitting out shots like Carolina, it's more their 5v5 defense and breakouts and transitions. Fix that and things look a lot better.

 

[lakeshirts37]

And we can sign a MacKinnon level player and lose because we can't keep the puck out of our own net.

I'm not big on giving Igor that much, but if not, you're really trying to bet your average goalie is "that guy" in the spring/summer

Elite C+Above Avg. G > Above Avg. C+Elite G

Not even an argument

 

[The Crypto Guy]

We need to build a better team. One that doesn’t rely on the goaltender for everything.

We can still do that...with an elite goalie.

Plenty of teams have won with top 3 goalies. Not sure what the issue is. Maybe get rid of the players making over 8M who don't do anything in the playoffs when we need them to, and not getting rid of the players who are stepping up their games.

 

[rangers1314]

Had this roster not been a skeleton crew he should have spent a year and a half in Hartford.

First off, great avatar…the peanut is neither a pea or a nut! Oh wait, it is a nut.

Brooks is insinuating that it was life/transition problems for KK. That wouldn’t have been made better by riding the bus to Syracuse.

He should have just stayed home and spent the D +1 year working on his skating and skills to make himself more NHL ready. But whatever, it’s all over now

 

[xsniper11x]

We can still do that...with an elite goalie.

Plenty of teams have won with top 3 goalies. Not sure what the issue is. Maybe get rid of the players making over 8M who don't do anything in the playoffs when we need them to, and not getting rid of the players who are stepping up their games.

An elite goalie isn’t the issue. Building the team after paying for such a volatile and commoditized position is. There are zero examples in the cap era outside TB for a reason, and even then it took historic levels of cap circumvention. Now they’ve lost all that depth that made them champions. Paying the goalie is just choosing to take the hardest road to victory.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

We can still do that...with an elite goalie.

Plenty of teams have won with top 3 goalies. Not sure what the issue is. Maybe get rid of the players making over 8M who don't do anything in the playoffs when we need them to, and not getting rid of the players who are stepping up their games.

Yeah but the Rongos don’t know how to do it

 

[surlysailor]

Adin Hill won last year . No generational 1st overall picks on that team

Jack eichel? Well I guess he was 2nd overall but would’ve been 1st in almost any other draft class.

 

[KennyWu]

Elite C+Above Avg. G > Above Avg. C+Elite G

Not even an argument

Sure, but there's no guarantee you're bringing in an elite center and above average goalie. And even if you do, no guarantee they get further than they did this year

 

[mike14]

Of course you want an elite goalie, but you want them before they get the elite cap hit (just like you want your young guys contributing before they hit their 3rd contract).

Giguere at 13.64% of the cap at time of contract signing is the highest % goalie to win in the cap era. Vasilevsky winning his 2nd cup on 11.6% is the only other goalie above 10% of the cap at time to signing to win it. (he was just 4.79% for cup #1).
Quick (9.67% against us), Thomas (8.82), Crawford (2nd time 9.33%), Fluery (8.33%) and Holtby (8.54%) are the only other notable % numbers. Of those, only Crawford over Bishop and Holtby over Fluery (by 0.2%) had a higher cap % than the guy they beat.

8 of the 18 winning goalies have had a caphit of less than 5% of the total

On the other side of the ledger, 6 guys have had a % over 10 on the losing side, with another 2 above 8%.

 

[rangers1314]

The Bruins have announced a Linus Ullmark trade with the Ottawa Senators with Mark Kastelic, Joonas Korpisalo and the 25th overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft headed to Boston in exchange for Ullmark

 

[17futurecap]

Taking on Korp at 3 million a year to get pick 25 seems excessive.

 

[Guyute]

Pretty decent trade for the Sens

 

[UnSandvich]

The Bruins have announced a Linus Ullmark trade with the Ottawa Senators with Mark Kastelic, Joonas Korpisalo and the 25th overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft headed to Boston in exchange for Ullmark

Damn Bruins lose that one real hard

 

[rangers1314]

Damn Bruins lose that one real hard

Thats what 1 year of Ullmark gets you. Guess he had no interested in talking extension prior to a deal

 

[bernmeister]

Who would Panarin even waive for? I don’t see it happening unless there’s retention involved to a place like Florida to replace Reinhart.

Then what are you getting back?

reason to think he'd waive for FL
buds w/Bob
they have cap w/or w/o Rein returning
chance for cup
no state tax

we don't have to retain
we get back Mikkola for 2 yrs
bank 2 picks + recover cap space

howev, motivated by he will not get a good offer from us due to cap
AND
we are moving sev of his faves

Having trouble navigating through your post but I do agree with you on win now move is a bad move.
3 years ago. Rangers ran out of gas (endurance)?
2 years ago. Rangers couldn’t win the board battles and were not quick enough.
This year. Rangers couldn’t/wouldn’t drive the middle. Weren’t strong enough. Back end undersized.
These aren’t my words, these are the words of Steve Valliqutte, Henrik Lundqvist and recently Brian Boyle in the final MSG Post Game shows of the years.
Can’t keep rolling back the same core with all those warts that the MSG team says our club have.

The film student graduates summa cum laude

 

[bernmeister]

Pretty decent trade for the Sens

Bs got bent

 

[RangersFan1994]

Bs got bent

Reminds me of the Buchnevich trade on how uneven the trade is

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers should sign janmark on Monday