Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Flan the incredible]

Adin Hill won last year . No generational 1st overall picks on that team

Yes just ridiculous expansion rules in which teams didn't know how to prepare. Again thats not a path the Rangers are going to take.

 

[bbny]

Non-elite #1 centers to win the Cup since the lockout:

Andrew MacDonald, 2007
Ryan O'Reilly, 2019

This is a major problem for this team.

 

[NYR Viper]

One guy I think could be a sneaky good acquisition for the Bottom 6 is Radek Faksa. Looking like he might be bought out to clear cap space, but currently has 1 year left at 3.2. 30 years old. Maybe try for a 2m x 3 and see if he bites?

Is he really going to be bought out? He’d be a real solid addition

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Rangers should sign janmark on Monday

Dude is getting paid

 

[Flan the incredible]

Not a single person in hockey looked at that roster day 1 and said “wow, those expansion rules gave them a great team.” It’s really quite amazing how ppl can’t get over the goalie obsession despite the mountains of evidence. I grew up in the 90s in the era of the goalie. It’s time to let it go.

VGK used their cap wisely and moved aggressively at the right times while simultaneously finding good value players w/ quality pro scouting. Ironically, the one really bad handed contract they did hand out was of course for a goalie (which almost always happens in goalie land). It’s just not how you win, as its a crutch that hides the flaws that you need to fix to win. Also, the fact we’ve got a goaltending coach that resurrects goalie’s careers as he breathes just makes this whole argument for overpaying a goalie even weirder.

They didnt win on day one either. Vegas hasn't drafted anyone of mention besides expansion in their existence. They have literally traded or signed almost every player on that team and are we also going to forget they regularly go above the cap by a lot evey playoff because a bunch of their players fake being hurt until game 1?

Are you really saying this is the way to win a cup?

More teams every year fail because they don't have a top tier goalie then succeed. You are asking for magic in a bottle as a way to win the cup. Its crazy tithing that is a winning strategy.

 

[Machinehead]

Florida dominating

 

[noncents]

edmonton can't last 2 more like that

 

[UnSandvich]

To me, the single most important attribute a DMan needs to have is the ability to quickly and accurately move the puck out to a teammate while under pressure. They can have average skating, they can be not very physical, but at least a modicum of puck-moving ability is a 100% necessity. Having 1 guy who can't in your Top 6 is a serious problem. Having multiple is a disaster. We had multiple. That needs to change or we'll continue to have no shot at winning a Cup.

 

[xsniper11x]

They didnt win on day one either. Vegas hasn't drafted anyone of mention besides expansion in their existence. They have literally traded or signed almost every player on that team and are we also going to forget they regularly go above the cap by a lot evey playoff because a bunch of their players fake being hurt until game 1?

Are you really saying this is the way to win a cup?

More teams every year fail because they don't have a top tier goalie then succeed. You are asking for magic in a bottle as a way to win the cup. Its crazy tithing that is a winning strategy.

That was in response to a claim that VGK won cause the league handed them a great expansion draft. My point was it wasn’t the draft, but using their cap wisely and aggressively for the right players (ie: not a goalie, which ended up being one of their few bad contracts).

 

[n8]

Adin Hill won last year . No generational 1st overall picks on that team

While not generational, Jack Eichel was a consensus 1A center. The kid can't stay health but he's a PPG center. Their blueline was pretty solid all around. Martinez-Pietroangelo, McNabb-Theodore, Hauge-Whitecloud. There's two cup winning defensemen on that 1st pairing. There's LTIR shenanigans as well. Someone could probably make a score card that gives each one of these pieces a score, each position probably has a maximum value, and then figure out a minimum score that is historically needed to win.

 

[gravey9]

While not generational, Jack Eichel was a consensus 1A center. The kid can't stay health but he's a PPG center. Their blueline was pretty solid all around. Martinez-Pietroangelo, McNabb-Theodore, Hauge-Whitecloud. There's two cup winning defensemen on that 1st pairing. There's LTIR shenanigans as well. Someone could probably make a score card that gives each one of these pieces a score, each position probably has a maximum value, and then figure out a minimum score that is historically needed to win.

Vegas overindexed on bringing in big talent at the deadline this season. Not sure why. But Hertl and Hanifin were two very big pieces. My theory is it's hard to win the cup if you bring in big time first line players at the deadline. Those are usually players you build lines and teams around, they are used to that. BRinging them in and asking them to blend in, especially in their prime is not as easy as it sounds. Look at the final four teams this year, they all brought in more complimentary pieces at the deadline. I think you need to build a team and chemistry in the first 82. And then you compliment that well oiled machine. In any case, that's my thought. More often than not that's the better route. Its why I was against Kane and Tarasenko the year before. It's why filling a top 6 spot or a top 4 D spot at the deadline is pretty tricky. Guentzel is a great example. He came in, played really well in a top 6 spot, but asking a brand new player to be your offensive focal point right before the playoffs start is not ideal.

 

[Kovalev27]

You know who never stops producing? Patrick Kane. I’ll take him he’s healthy and he looked great last year.

We didn’t lose because of “grit”. Nonsense.

We lost because we stopped scoring, mainly our powerplay which never stopped all year stopped scoring, and our Norris dman was on one leg.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

You know who never stops producing? Patrick Kane. I’ll take him he’s healthy and he looked great last year.

We didn’t lose because of “grit”. Nonsense.

We lost because we stopped scoring, mainly our powerplay which never stopped all year stopped scoring, and our Norris dman was on one leg.

i really want Kane bc i think he’ll come cheap and short term and essentially replace Goodrow’s cap. It’s much cheaper to fill a D slot and a 3LW then to find a top 6 RW

 

[mas0764]

I'll counter with this.

No one would have locked him up long term prior to this year. 99% of this place would have lost their shit if they gave him 6+ for term last summer. The bridge was the right way to go in this case.

Even if they want to do it now, it takes 2 sides to make a deal. If Laf wants to bet on himself (and if you believe Vince, he does) he has the right to do that.

Regardless, no one should give a single f*** if they lock him up long term for big money if he has another strong season. These contracts don't kill you, the big ones to bad players or ones who don't show up when it matters are the ones that end up hurting.

Eh.

I would counter that to become a really dominant team you need a fair share of value contracts. The Rangers have to find a few more.

Rangers showing serious interest in Trevor Zegras, per Pagnotta

Awesome.

 

[mas0764]

I don't think moving Kakko for futures is impossible. You're looking at it wrong. It opens up 2.4M for them to spend on someone else in free agency who may be better than what they can get in a trade for that price. I personally wouldn't do it though.

It only really opens up $1.4m cause trading Kakko for futures also opens up a roster spot that has to be filled by someone making ~$1m. At best you get a rookie in there at 800k.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It only really opens up $1.4m cause trading Kakko for futures also opens up a roster spot that has to be filled by someone making ~$1m. At best you get a rookie in there at 800k.

Berard for Kakko would be a savings of 1.532.

Its not astronomical, but it is something.

 

[TominNC]

I wouldn't call them mediocre if they played a winning brand of hockey and just happened to fall short.

I call them mediocre because they're straight up not a good hockey team at 5v5 and they have to limp through every round.

Being successful isn’t mediocre. Only one team wins it all

You’re replying to me instead of the original poster? Curious, do yo have the mod blocked?
Also, I replied to a comment about the Rangers going forward. Nothing there was said about the Rangers recent performances.
Also surprised at all the knee jerk reactions emojis you received from your misstatement.

You said it would be a Ranger thing to do.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Being successful isn’t mediocre. Only one team wins it all


You said it would be a Ranger thing to do.

Yes. Never said they were mediocre. Paying a goalie 1/9th of your payroll would be a mistake IMHO.
I was against giving Lunqvist 8.5 million.

 

[mas0764]

They're not going to trade Shesterkin.

They're going to re-sign him to an eye-popping contract and be mediocre for the duration of it.

Sad but true.

It's their love for the bad players that they still can't get over.

They have two legit bad defensemen in their top 4.

They also hitched their wagon to Zibanejad when the warning signs were there. I would have played moneyball with it and got Hertl, and then eventually Trocheck (I don't think Eichel was ever happening because Buffalo high-balled us and demanded Lafreniere while they were accepting less from others).

It's not the sexy top-2 centers headed to the Hall of Fame that you usually see on Cup winners, that's a valid criticism, but you kind of either draft those or you don't.

It was very obvious that Zibanejad was never that and now we're in a worse position.

It’s why we needed to keep tanking for a bit longer. Needed high end centers.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think we need to stop thinking we can force this core to change who they are to win. And this IS the core. They’re locked in. And they are good. They are right there. You cannot tell me a series that was that close isn’t different when you have a Norris dman at full strength. Look at what forsling did for them.

We aren’t going to turn into Florida. So get Mika and Kreider a play maker. Kane is a clutch winning playmaker. Who’s healthy and produces and if the powerplay goes cold he can change the look of it. Maybe he even takes Mika’s spot entirely from the start.

And we need to upgrade lindgren. That’s staring us in the face. Don’t make that mistake. Make a move for a legit player. A guy that can make a play

 

[mas0764]

If they want to run it back with Mika/Kreider/Panarin, they need to shed not just Lindgren but Trouba has to go too. They need his money to afford some further upgrades.

 

[McRanger92]

I think we need to stop thinking we can force this core to change who they are to win. And this IS the core. They’re locked in. And they are good. They are right there. You cannot tell me a series that was that close isn’t different when you have a Norris dman at full strength. Look at what forsling did for them.

We aren’t going to turn into Florida. So get Mika and Kreider a play maker. Kane is a clutch winning playmaker. Who’s healthy and produces and if the powerplay goes cold he can change the look of it. Maybe he even takes Mika’s spot entirely from the start.

And we need to upgrade lindgren. That’s staring us in the face. Don’t make that mistake. Make a move for a legit player. A guy that can make a play

Agree on Kane. Rangers can def move Lindgren for assets and try to swing a deal for Chychrun or Theodore. They should’ve traded for Hanifin.

 

[Kovalev27]

Agree on Kane. Rangers can def move Lindgren for assets and try to swing a deal for Chychrun or Theodore. They should’ve traded for Hanifin.

I would love love either of those guys absolutely love it

 

[bleedblue94]

If NYR weren’t interested in Kane last year when he was only getting a 1 year deal, why would they be interested now that he’s looking for a multi year deal?

Cap space and the desire to give kakko an open shot at a top 6 spot with Wheeler on the 3rd line.

If kakko grabs that spot in the top 6 then Kane isn't even talked about.

 

[haohmaru]

It only really opens up $1.4m cause trading Kakko for futures also opens up a roster spot that has to be filled by someone making ~$1m. At best you get a rookie in there at 800k.

Trading Kakko makes little sense. It makes even less sense to package him and a first to move up in a shitty draft.