SA16
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lol @ one model showing him 73rd percentile in finishing and another at 4th percentile in finish war.
Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)
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lol @ one model showing him 73rd percentile in finishing and another at 4th percentile in finish war.
McRanger92
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I wanted Zadorov until I just saw a video on twitter of him getting challenged by Goodrow after a high hit and backing down. Sad!
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They are the same guy's models but from last summer and the January 30, 2024. In the latter post (4th %ile finishing WAR), he suggested mean regression because Colton was generating chances as expected but the puck hadn't been going in.
Machinehead
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I don't think he'll ever be a big producer but he's the type of guy who can facilitate with skill players. I could see him being an excellent compliment.
Savant
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Maybe? But they are going to need to find extra offensive output from somewhere else. Hopefully better puck moving D. But there needs to be more point getters at some points. Offense has to come from somewhere
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I think jfresh posted his allthreezones numbers a bit ago, and the numbers were about what you would expect for Kakko. The guy just creates zero offense lol. His point totals are more than appropriate.
Machinehead
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I would say we have plenty of point-getters. Our offense does need to improve overall, but that's going to come from guys doing specific things like distributing better, becoming more cycle-heavy, and overall each of our lines becoming more versatile.
I don't think this team has trouble offensively because they're doing things right and just have nobody that puts the puck in the net. Kakko, yes. For the team as a whole, I think it's mostly the other way around.
They get by because they have guys that put the puck in the net despite not seeing it a ton.
Savant
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It’s low volume, but how sustainable is that? I’m hoping the defense is diversified a bit with more puck moving and the offense ticks up from that, but besides (hopefully) Lafreniere, who is really going to be trending up offensively? Especially at 5x5
Machinehead
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You know who was an absolute f***ing savage at facilitating? Carl Hagelin.
He always got the puck/won battles, and then turned it into a chance.
He had very little skill but he was able to immediately get the puck to somebody who know what they were doing, or just send it to the net. He had no hesitation in his game.
Kakko would be valuable if he did that, but I just don't think he processes offense at the NHL level.
The IQ isn't there. It's the one thing you really have a hard time working on at this level.
He always got the puck/won battles, and then turned it into a chance.
He had very little skill but he was able to immediately get the puck to somebody who know what they were doing, or just send it to the net. He had no hesitation in his game.
Kakko would be valuable if he did that, but I just don't think he processes offense at the NHL level.
The IQ isn't there. It's the one thing you really have a hard time working on at this level.
SA16
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Ah didn't notice that since he changed the format.
Honestly, even worse to have the same model show that much of a difference based on one year. Especially given in 22-23 he shot 12/123 at 5v5 (9.8%) and last year up until Jan 30 he shot 5/66 (7.6%) hardly some huge difference to result in a wildly different model output.
eco's bones
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There will be some who will get big contracts of course but there's only so much cap space available and some teams don't have much to work with. It's also about the landing spot.
McRanger92
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Im liking the Colton idea more and more. Would be a very Trocheck-ian move to replace Chytil or Kakko's spot in the lineup with him
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Hagelin was the LW version of what we've so often needed on the right side.
Heck, I'd take a Pouliot on the right side.
Kakko doesn't fit with any of our other scoring forwards in terms of style. He'd be much better in the right system on the right line.
I don't think we'd get great value in a trade for him, but I think our wing position needs more speed and jitter-bugs. That kid in Washington- Brendan Leipsic? Would have been perfect had he not turned out to be such a piece of shit.
eco's bones
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Zadorov's fought enough guys of some merit that that doesn't even concern me.
He's kind of a Beukeboom type. A little more offense but his game has not always been all that consistent. Not against the player necessarily but against spending too much on him. My guess is he would slot in as a 4 or a 5 D for us. My next guess is some team is going to give him a huge contract which is not something I would do. I can see him and I can not see him depending on the contract but I'm thinking he'll sign somewhere else.
McRanger92
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He needs to be able to handle top 4 minutes if we sign him to any contract. if he can't or they arent confident he can, avoid him. There's just not a lot out there on defense. Unless there's an RFA d-man available im not privy to, the UFA market looks like a lot of guys who will get overpaid and overplayed.
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Machinehead
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Right now, we don't need anybody trending up.
Panarin, Zibanejad, Trocheck, and Kreider can fill the net.
I do think we can absolutely use some more skill, especially in regard to passing, but I don't think we need big scorers.
Machinehead
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n8
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Assuming the roster stays the same, Lindgren / Schneider stay and collectively take up 6-7M cap, that leaves us with around $6M to sign a player this off season. Is that correct?
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welcome to the rational side of the zadorov debate. he isnt what people want him to be. if he was with his size and tools he would be a top 20 d man in the league. he just isn't that.
he is not a top pair minutes guy, he has been better his career playing bottom 4 mins
I think it is a little dangerous to expect those 4 to do what they did last year again this season. Trocheck just had a career year, panarin and kreider are approaching the ages of decline, and zib just has not looked the same the last couple years. I would be cautious with this...
Hagelin must have been 5 times (I'm not trying to exaggerate) faster than Kakko.
Hagelin had serious wheels.
Skating is so important in today's NHL.
Savant
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Right I mean you try to help some of the puck moving on D and you get better passing more goals. If they need a big scorer they can do that at the deadline but they need to resolve the d issues asap
haohmaru
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It’s certainly the more pressing issue.
I don’t see any reason why they can’t address or start to address both.
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