Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[CTTribe73]

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko: 1.46 GF/60
Kreider-Zibanejad-Anybody else: 3.79 GF/60

And that's just this year where Mika has been terrible the whole season.

Those two weren't stopping Kakko from scoring, he was stopping them from scoring.

The only lines Kakko is on where he isn't a huge drag on scoring, are lines that are decidedly used as the third line. He's not good enough to play with skilled players. It's not a lack of opportunity; they can't use him any higher up because he stinks at offense.

Kakko has a huge problem.

A guy like Fast could play with a scoring line and make that line better. Even if he wasn't scoring, at the very least, the scorers on the line didn't score less because he was on it.

Even Jimmy Vesey. People always say "oh we can't move him up because he stinks if he's not in the bottom six." Kreider and Zibanejad score at a better rate with Vesey than without Vesey.

Hell, people also screamed bloody murder at Fast playing higher than the third line. For a couple of years, it was the most annoying meme on the board. "Oh no, Fast is playing with Panarin tonight, I have to beat my dog!"

Meanwhile, Kakko just needs his 89th opportunity.

If Kakko can't start playing in the top six without dragging offense, his career is going to be as a 4th liner.

Look, it's possible that Kakko is a very good defensive forward. Tons of these guys hang around the league for 10+ years at 3-4MM per. It's not a bad life.

But a superstar he ain't.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The argument against Kakko leaks so much water you’d call it Titanic. Check out who’ve been his centers this year. Start of the season version of Zibanejad which is enough said especially this season, then prolonged injury and Bonino is his center followed by a “huge” improvement when Brodzinski took over 3C.
At the end of last year most people would draw an equal sign between Lafreniere and Kakko, and maybe even given Kakko a nod over. Lafreniere took a huge step forward this year but let’s not leave out that he’s been playing this while time with Panarin and Trocheck having career years. Kakko clearly stalled but he hasn’t been in the greatest position this season to turn things around.

Agree 100%.

Look, it's possible that Kakko is a very good defensive forward. Tons of these guys hang around the league for 10+ years at 3-4MM per. It's not a bad life.

But a superstar he ain't.

So he's a good defensive forward that scored 40 points last year. I'll take it.

 

[NYR Viper]

Agree 100%.


So he's a good defensive forward that scored 40 points last year. I'll take it.

40 points mainly at 5v5

 

[PalmCoastRanger]

We need a trade rumor

Ok...there will be a big trade coming within the next few days or weeks or not. This trade will be big enough as to change the attitude in the room, but small enough to not drastically change the room's complexion.

It will be for a player that is still developing, which will require patience, but this player also comes with the much coveted playoff experience that only a veteran can provide. This player or maybe even players, are defensively stellar whenever they are not burying a chance top shelf and when they are not scoring, they will be defending. Which all advanced stat aficionados should approve of. These players will also come with the perfect mane which will glisten and flow perfectly as they lay thunderous checks with their sticks, to appease the traditional eye testers.

More to come in the coming days or weeks or never.

 

[Machinehead]

Look, it's possible that Kakko is a very good defensive forward. Tons of these guys hang around the league for 10+ years at 3-4MM per. It's not a bad life.

But a superstar he ain't.

He is a very good defensive forward. And if he was just that, and let his linemates do the scoring, that's fine.

I'm a bit concerned that nobody scores when he's on the ice.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm not posting this as a legit rumor or whatever but what is with this website?

Legitimately reads like it is written by AI

New York Rangers Close to Landing Frank Vatrano and Adam Henrique in Deal with Anaheim Ducks: Insider Update

The Deal Unveiled: Fans are buzzing with anticipation as word spreads about the upcoming deal between the New York Rangers and the Anaheim Ducks. The Rangers ma

bluelinestation.com

That definitely wasn't written by @Machinehead

 

[bl02]

Is that article for real? Besides Kakko what forward on the roster would they take?
Maybe the short sample size of Edstrom really impressed Verbeek?
I can't imagine Vesey because he's probably worth more to the Rangers than he is to the Ducks at this very moment.
I have a bad feeling they want either Sykora or Berard as well. Please not let it be the latter.

And I agree with @Hire Sather seems like written by AI. Weird read.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Is that article for real? Besides Kakko what forward on the roster would they take?
Maybe the short sample size of Edstrom really impressed Verbeek?
I can't imagine Vesey because he's probably worth more to the Rangers than he is to the Ducks at this very moment.
I have a bad feeling they want either Sykora or Berard as well. Please not let it be the latter.

No

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't think +/- is as important as people outside of HF do but Mika is a +16. Is it possible he and his line are not as bad 5 on 5 as everyone thinks?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

He is a very good defensive forward. And if he was just that, and let his linemates do the scoring, that's fine.

I'm a bit concerned that nobody scores when he's on the ice.

The kid line did well for a while and he scored 40 ES points last year which you just ignore. He is not an offensive black hole.

 

[IDvsEGO]

For all of Lafrenire's trouble, he literally always produced at 5v5.

40 points mainly at 5v5

Yeah these two statements. Figure out who’s right.

Kakko and laf have had similar 5v5 production and ice time up until this season.

 

[bl02]

I don't think +/- is as important as people outside of HF do but Mika is a +16. Is it possible he and his line are not as bad 5 on 5 as everyone thinks?

Mika and for the most part the entire line is where +/- and maybe analytics (Not sure) seriously clash with the eye test.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Mika and for the most part the entire line is where +/- and maybe analytics (Not sure) seriously clash with the eye test.

For comparison sake Panarin is a +9. Lafreniere I believe is somehow negative.

 

[NYR Viper]

He is a very good defensive forward. And if he was just that, and let his linemates do the scoring, that's fine.

I'm a bit concerned that nobody scores when he's on the ice.

Was this the case when he played with Chytil and Lafreniere?

 

[JimmyG89]

The Kakko banter is tiring. This season he has worked well on the line with Cuylle and Brodzinski. He got stuck with Bonino and at times Goodrow at center which just kill offense for anyone.

Maybe he's not working with Mika and Kreider this year, it's a new style of play for the team. They 100% needed to explore it when he came back from injury. It hasn't worked.

They know they need to find a RW for that line. Kakko will go back to the 3rd line for after next game with Cuylle and Brodz and be a breakeven line, but more productive than they've been with Vesey. You will get two more productive lines from one trade.

The more I think about it, the more likely they are going to get a depth center for the 4th line and roll those two interchangeably.

 

[Foxy]

Same way we don’t need to jump off the cliff to know that we break to pieces. lol

Got it. So breaking up Mika and kreider is akin to jumping off a cliff, and we’re the crazy ones lol.

 

[McRanger92]

Idk how to post tweets the right way apparently Vince saying the Rangers are on the lookout for a 6/7 D as expected. Jones will be a trade casualty I think

 

[Rangers in 7]

Kakko is a good hockey player. He’s played very well the last 5 or 6 games. Will he be a 100 point player? No. But let’s be honest we were never expecting that. And if you were you were being an idiot

 

[DanielBrassard]

Kakko is a good hockey player. He’s played very well the last 5 or 6 games. Will he be a 100 point player? No. But let’s be honest we were never expecting that. And if you were you were being an idiot

Everyone was expecting an elite forward. Don't be dishonest. This is pure revisionism.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Just because Laf figured things out I’m not going to assume Kakko will, plus there’s been no discernible improvement in Kakko’s game. He is the same player he’s been for years with the same problems. He’s never going to be a huge producer in the nhl.

Again, everyone said the same thing about Lafrienere. I'm not saying Kakko will ever live up to his draft spot, i find it unlikely to be honest, but we are getting our money's worth from him now, it's not like he's holding us back, and his trade value isnt going lower, so why not keep him and work with him instead of dumping him for a couple rentals that most likely won't lead us to a cup anyway. I'm ok moving him for someone good, that's on the younger side that fits into this group for the next 4 years, but i dont want to dump him plus picks for Vatrano and Hendrique.

 

[Profet]

Kakko is a good hockey player. He’s played very well the last 5 or 6 games. Will he be a 100 point player? No. But let’s be honest we were never expecting that. And if you were you were being an idiot

We weren't?

Everyone was expecting an elite player from him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Again, everyone said the same thing about Lafrienere. I'm not saying Kakko will ever live up to his draft spot, i find it unlikely to be honest, but we are getting our money's worth from him now, it's not like he's holding us back, and his trade value isnt going lower, so why not keep him and work with him instead of dumping him for a couple rentals that most likely lead us to a cup anyway. I'm ok moving him for someone good, that's on the younger side that fits into this group for the next 4 years, but i dont want to dump him plus picks for Vatrano and Hendrique.

I agree, I wouldnt trade him for Vatrano and Henrique either. Ideally for an upgrade who has term.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

That definitely wasn't written by @Machinehead

It really does read like an AI generated article.

Also, not really pleased of this is true. The package going to Anaheim will probably be painful.

Would absolutely not trade Kakko for Vatrano and Henrique. Awful asset management.

 

[McRanger92]

That article is 100% AI. Side note, the AI generated Gallant stuff from last year was some of the funniest shit I ever heard. Was that you @EdJovanovski ?

 

[mas0764]

Kakko desperately needs a change of scenery. The expectations in New York have always been a burden. I just don’t think you can get value for him at the trade deadline. I might be wrong. Wait until the summer and there will be plenty of options. One to consider this summer would be Dallas, the preeminent NHL employer of Finnish players.

If Chytil is not going to be able to come back next year, a Zegras deal makes a lot of sense. Again, that’s a summer deal.

The Rangers have the fifth best goals allowed average in the league. The back end is hardly a black hole. Again, any overhaul would happen in the summer. The extent of any overhaul depends on playoff performance. If there is an overhaul, I would be watching closely at the team expanding Schneider’s roles and responsibilities.

A Zegras deal might make sense even if Chytil is coming back.