Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[haohmaru]

1st should be off the table.

The 1st should absolutely be on the table if it's for a young(er) player with term that helps this team now and in the future. It's likely to be a late, hopefully very late, 1st and by all accounts players drafted 10-40 in this draft are a crap shoot at a dart board. It's not a great draft.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

How much would it cost to resign Guentzel? He's a guy I'd move Kakko for if he was able to be retained long term. It would solidify our top 6, and we could drag Othmann or Berard up for the 3rd line.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If you are trading for top end talent at the deadline, your team isn’t good enough.

The deadline should be for adding depth and plugging holes around your star players.

Kakko, Othmann, Perreault and the 24 1st should be off the table.

What can you get using assets other than those?

I agree with you, though the 1994 Rangers did just that in moving Amonte and Gartner. Think it had more to do with Keenan hating both players.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

If you are trading for top end talent at the deadline, your team isn’t good enough.

The deadline should be for adding depth and plugging holes around your star players.

Kakko, Othmann, Perreault and the 24 1st should be off the table.

What can you get using assets other than those?

Duclair for 4/Lamb
Wenneberg for 3/Laba
Walker/6 for 2/Robertson

 

[NYR Viper]

I think I’m onboard with a couple of depth additions for sure. Robertson and maybe someone like Lana or Chmelar plus later picks.

I’m also open to taking on a bit of a higher paid player who doesn’t have much of a market for the remainder of the year. I’m doubtful Okposo has much of a market. He’s one example. Olofsson is the same idea. Maybe Labanc with some retention. They’re good depth NHL players

 

[Boris Zubov]

I agree with you, though the 1994 Rangers did just that in moving Amonte and Gartner. Think it had more to do with Keenan hating both players.

The 94 Rangers did the opposite...they traded top line talent for 3rd line grit. Looking back, they're lucky the gamble paid off. It was horrible asset management.

 

[RGY]

I think I’m onboard with a couple of depth additions for sure. Robertson and maybe someone like Lana or Chmelar plus later picks.

I’m also open to taking on a bit of a higher paid player who doesn’t have much of a market for the remainder of the year. I’m doubtful Okposo has much of a market. He’s one example. Olofsson is the same idea. Maybe Labanc with some retention. They’re good depth NHL players

If there is room left after the first two moves to address the top line RW and the 3C, i would be for Okposo at 50% if he comes cheap. Add him to the 4th line. If he gets hurt then boom you got Eddy to jump back in. Or Brodzinski.

Kreider-Zib-Eberle
Panarin-Troch-Laf
Cuylle-Gourde-Kakko
Vesey-Goodrow-Okposo

Black Aces; Edstrom, Rempe, Brodzinski, Othmann, Berard/Sykora.

That is a heckuva lineup. Has the bite to compete for a cup too. Total money being brought in with 50% retention would be roughly just over $6. The Rangers can make that work sending out Jones salary and sending down Belzille + Rempe/Edstrom.

 

[SA16]

I think I’m onboard with a couple of depth additions for sure. Robertson and maybe someone like Lana or Chmelar plus later picks.

I’m also open to taking on a bit of a higher paid player who doesn’t have much of a market for the remainder of the year. I’m doubtful Okposo has much of a market. He’s one example. Olofsson is the same idea. Maybe Labanc with some retention. They’re good depth NHL players

They are extremely unlikely to retain on Labanc given they only one retention spot left and he has basically no value. Far more likely they'd use it on Duclair or Granlund. Even Sturm or Barabanov.

 

[kovazub94]

He quit on his team. Contractually allowed or not. He quit on his team. He had it coming.

Yup, and how this simple point is not getting through to a certain segment of posters is mind boggling. Maybe it’s generational.

 

[Rongomania]

If there is room left after the first two moves to address the top line RW and the 3C, i would be for Okposo at 50% if he comes cheap. Add him to the 4th line. If he gets hurt then boom you got Eddy to jump back in. Or Brodzinski.

Kreider-Zib-Eberle
Panarin-Troch-Laf
Cuylle-Gourde-Kakko
Vesey-Goodrow-Okposo

Black Aces; Edstrom, Rempe, Brodzinski, Othmann, Berard/Sykora.

That is a heckuva lineup. Has the bite to compete for a cup too. Total money being brought in with 50% retention would be roughly just over $6. The Rangers can make that work sending out Jones salary and sending down Belzille + Rempe/Edstrom.

Dream scenario. Make it happen Dru.

 

[Daves a mess]

If KK gets traded - Waaah, top posters have trouble performing with sig other for 8 straight days.

If our 1st gets traded- Waaaah. Future is dead, kicks grandma in the shin. Dog laughs at you after as you whine about your toe hurting.

Othmann gets traded- Wahhh (prob me) opens all the tops in my wife's spice rack. You guys have no clue how bad that would be for me.

Perrault gets traded- Waaaah- White collar crime, and top posters here get so depressed that they miss their nearest Comiccon after Od'ing on Funyons at White Claw.

Berard or Sykora go. Ed Jovo gives up ball hockey and pizza for a year.

No moves- I wish I'd get a dollar for each waaah "ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL!!" post.

If I was a moderator I'd start breaking out the hard stuff now.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I like Vatrano. I don't see where he fits. They need passers or puck-hounds, not shooters.

Huh??????

 

[lakeshirts37]

how is EP40 cap hit = panarin. thats a steal

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

No one is saying they are good at passing, they just do it too much. Watching Vatrano tonight he shoots everything. We need more of that especially in the playoffs. Mika and Kreider might give up zone time with Frank, but that line will definitely score more. I don’t want to trade Kakko, but we’re much more likely to get 6-7 playoff goals from Vatrano than Kakko in That spot.

A player who shoots is fine...however, putting that player on a line with the Bromancers is a waste since they are basically perimeter players and avoid the dirty areas. Nor do they crash the net for rebounds.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

How much would it cost to resign Guentzel? He's a guy I'd move Kakko for if he was able to be retained long term. It would solidify our top 6, and we could drag Othmann or Berard up for the 3rd line.

You are not getting Guentzel for just Kakko -- Pens will request a kings ransom just to come to the table.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Pettersson re-signed 8 years $11.6M AAV

 

[Kendo]

Style of play, he's someone we haven't had in a long time, an Adam Graves type, can play rough, score goals, fight, has a bit of a mean streak. All of that. He's the type of player you go looking for at every deadline or offseason. My current comparison of him is Jt.Miller, and he will likely take a while to get to a high level in the pros like JT, due to style of play. They don't come around often, especially at league minimum. We can all pretty much agree we'd like a do-over of moving on from Miller.

Wait, are you talking about Berard??

Seriously though, I'm high on both players. Berard has developed so much to be able to pace with Othmann in points, and IIRC done more of it at ES than Otter. I know +/- is dumb, but outliers within the same team does show "something" of value. Both kids are the worst on the team, so they have work to do, things to tighten up.

Add in Sykora, who is on a similar trajectory just a couple years behind both. We have a handful of pains in the rear coming up through the system. I don't want to trade any of them. We can work one in per season over the next 3 seasons. Our depth is going to continue to be a problem for other teams. Those three added to Cuylle, Edstrom, Rempe...we're already a handful, and it's only going to get better for us/worse for the rest of the league.

 

[huerter]

What separates Berard/Sykora from Ryan Bourque? I got cised for RB.

 

[McRanger92]

A player who shoots is fine...however, putting that player on a line with the Bromancers is a waste since they are basically perimeter players and avoid the dirty areas. Nor do they crash the net for rebounds.

Mika and Kreider were dominant against PIT and Carolina playing with Vatrano in the playoffs

 

[RGY]

Mika and Kreider were dominant against PIT and Carolina playing with Vatrano in the playoffs

Now imagine Eberle, a better more responsible player, with them against the Eastern Conference Teams. Or really any team for that matter.

 

[GAGLine]

How much would it cost to resign Guentzel? He's a guy I'd move Kakko for if he was able to be retained long term. It would solidify our top 6, and we could drag Othmann or Berard up for the 3rd line.

The cost to acquire him would be way too high and you're probably looking at 8-9 mil to re-sign him, assuming he even agreed to sign with us.

Forget him. It's not happening.

 

[Levitate]

I don’t like Eberle in a vague general sense but he’d probably be a great pickup to bolster the top six and maybe wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg. Maybe

Seattle seems maybe conservative on whether they’ll sell or what though.

 

[kovazub94]

This completely applies to the toxic posters on this board and the environment they create for our whole fan base here. Bunch of franks.

 

[OriginalLimbo]

The 94 Rangers did the opposite...they traded top line talent for 3rd line grit. Looking back, they're lucky the gamble paid off. It was horrible asset management.

Maybe. But look at the hill they had to climb. They steam rolled the first 2 rounds. Not sure they get past the Debbies without that grit. After rolling the first 4 games, they gutted out a 7th. All of that experience and grit got that cup. IMO - the big issues with asset mgt were AFTER 94. Smith got his cup, he had enough juice to make sure we weren’t a joke for the next 20 years. He did the opposite.

I think the big difference now is that, while we have a great team this year, it does not have same feel as 94. In 94 there was much more belief in the core. Here? The core is pretty good and they obviously COULD win a cup. Then, you felt they WOULD win a cup. Much easier to go all in with a better hand.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Mika and Kreider were dominant against PIT and Carolina playing with Vatrano in the playoffs

What?

They were our worst line by a lot.