Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[haohmaru]

BRING BACK ZUCC! (But not Webster)

That’s a package deal and you know it

 

[tlk]

Buch is not happening.

most likely.

Drury doesn’t like him.

you make it out to be that there are justifiable grounds for that. Rather than the reality which is they likely got into a personal conflict of some sort. Not the first and I'm afraid not the last with how Drury is, but while re Krav he got away with it, the Buch trade turned out to be a disaster that palpably hurt this team.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Foegele would be an excellent add...doesnt seem like an NYR move though...will go to Tampa

Yep - hes a Cooper type of add.

And thats why they are always a tough out in the playoffs

 

[bl02]

If Zucc didn't have that contract till he was 46 he woulda been great as a distributor and puck carrier from the right side.

Reilly Smith seems cooked but uhhh why not. Him and some plumber on defense , in out 20 minute low cost adventure.

Watched him last night vs Seattle and didn't look terrible. Maybe he has an extra gear for the playoffs?

 

[bl02]

Kakko on first line experiment needs to end. We actually had a very good third line but of course not so much now.
They are actually driving his trade value down if that's why they are playing him on line 1. Sure he gets a few minutes more per game but he looks completely lost on that line

 

[McRanger92]

most likely.

you make it out to be that there are justifiable grounds for that. Rather than the reality which is they likely got into a personal conflict of some sort. Not the first and I'm afraid not the last with how Drury is, but while re Krav he got away with it, the Buch trade turned out to be a disaster that palpably hurt this team.

If it's true Drury doesnt like him (i havent seen it confirmed anywhere), I would assume it has to do with the car accident in Sheepshead Bay that broke Igor's ribs and caused him to miss a few weeks his rookie year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kakko on first line experiment needs to end. We actually had a very good third line but of course not so much now.
They are actually driving his trade value down if that's why they are playing him on line 1. Sure he gets a few minutes more per game but he looks completely lost on that line

im sorry to hear about your recent loss of vision before the game on Wednesday

 

[SA16]

Why would the Oilers want Guentzel? That's extreme overkill. They don't even have a PP spot available. I can't imagine they'd be targeting him over a defenseman or cheaper quality wing - which they already have in Foegele himself.

 

[duhmetreE]

most likely.

you make it out to be that there are justifiable grounds for that. Rather than the reality which is they likely got into a personal conflict of some sort. Not the first and I'm afraid not the last with how Drury is, but while re Krav he got away with it, the Buch trade turned out to be a disaster that palpably hurt this team.

He called him out in the paper at the end of one season and traded him for peanuts.

He doesn’t like him. Right or wrong

 

[BroadwayHustle]

im sorry to hear about your recent loss of vision before the game on Wednesday

Good summary. Kakko was the best player on the line

 

[gravey9]

NYR are 8th in goals for. We can stop saying they don't score enough goals. Can we WANT more goals? Sure, why not? That would be great, but lets stop talking like this team cant score, they are like 0.35 GPG off of the lead...

To some degree, the current construction of this roster has created an either/or view of players -- a player either provides grit/leadership or scoring. But the truth is, majority of cup winners over the years have at least one top player who can do a bit of both.

The Messiers, the Stones, the Tkachuks, the Graves, Claude Lemieux(only made it to finals last year), Shanahan, Corey Perry. . Then there's the next version of that kind of player who is less gritty but still extremely sturdy that are also super valuable come playoffs - Kopitar, Getzlaf, Barkov, Mackinnon, Rantanen, Draisatl.

These players are not just gritty or sturdy but they can score -- and, this is the really important thing -- they get inside! Into the paint and score a dirty, hard-nosed goal when you need one in the playoffs. Just their ability to do so, also opens things up for teammates. When you have that kind of player or players as part of your CORE, it makes it much easier to build around. But having a ton of finesse and just adding grit around it, can fail more often than succeed.

What this core has sorely lacked is having one or two players like that. Kreider SHOULD be that. But he hasn't shown that willingness. Truly, Kakko and Laf ARE those kinds of players eventually. I don't know that they are right now. But Laf is surprisingly big and sturdy and is winning tons of puck battles this year. He really is THE player to build around going forward. Kakko? Put him on a line that gets the puck below the goal line and likes to grind it out, and I guarantee he'll have a bigger impact come playoffs. I don't know if anyone's noticed, but there's been a shift in his style the last 5-10 games -- he's taking the puck fearlessly to the net. Those goals that look flukey or soft because they're sneaking their way in... that's been happening because he's heading to the paint much quicker than before. And his hands are quick and very effective in tight. Those goals aren't flukes. They're a key part of his game as he matures.

In any case, the kind of player the Rangers need to add to that top line IF it were even an option, is the next Tyler Bertuzzi, Zach Hyman or Tyler Toffoli. And their 3rd line center option needs to be someone with size and speed that helps Kakko and Cuylle play below the goal line. I like Brodzinski but he's a guy who succeeds at using his speed to create turnovers, but he's not always great at keeping possession along the walls. Our bottom six needs to become a meat grinder in the playoffs if we want Panarin, Fox and Zibanejad to be effective at all. That was the winning formula 2 years ago with Copp and Motte.

Lastly, the most important aspect of this deadline for me is -- DO NOT MOVE Othmann, Berard, Rempe, Sykora, Roobreck or Edstrom. I can live with Chmelar being moved but like him too.

We need these young guys to come up so our next big in-season acquisition isn't 3rd and 4th liners, but it's that Rick Nash final piece type move (that actually works this time!)

Once we're past the deadine, I could see Berard or Othmann coming up. It's all going to come down to cap space. But I believe Berard could be a real spark plug for this team if he proves he can handle the size/speed of the league.

 

[effen]

If it's true Drury doesnt like him (i havent seen it confirmed anywhere), I would assume it has to do with the car accident in Sheepshead Bay that broke Igor's ribs and caused him to miss a few weeks his rookie year.

Igor drove im pretty sure. Doesnt mean it was Igor's car though...

 

[tlk]

If it's true Drury doesnt like him (i havent seen it confirmed anywhere), I would assume it has to do with the car accident

I have it on authority of a guy (American Russian/Jewish expat) who knows him - it's personal. And it most probably has nothing to do with that. Buchi is someone who 'tells it like it is'. I imagine Drury didn't like it somewhere along the way. That would be my bet. That's why I brought up Krav's drubbing in front of the other guys.

 

[Levitate]

Yep - hes a Cooper type of add.

And thats why they are always a tough out in the playoffs

I think it has more to do with their top line talent like Kucherov and Stamkos and Point and Hedman and Vasy rather than whatever scrubs they put together before the deadline

 

[Guyute]

Frank doesn't think the Wild will sell anything interesting. They will trade Duhaime and maybe Bogosian and Maroon. It's looking more and more likely that Vatrano and Henrique are the targets.

1st + prospect + Goodrow for Vatrano and Henrique?

Goodrow included to make the money work. Maybe the Ducks will want Goodrow to improve the room. IDK.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Exactly. We shouldn't be looking for the current Vatrano, we should be looking for the next Vatrano. Just like we shouldn't have signed the current Goodrow, we should have signed the next Goodrow.

Agreed although you dont want any Goodrow

 

[tlk]

He doesn’t like him. Right or wrong

Or doesn't like the fact he's been abysmally wrong.

 

[Levitate]

I have it on authority of a guy (American Russian/Jewish expat) who knows him - it's personal. And it most probably has nothing to do with that. Buchi is someone who 'tells it like it is'. I imagine Drury didn't like it somewhere along the way. That would be my bet. That's why I brought up Krav's drubbing in front of the other guys.

anyone who says they "tell it like it is" is most likely just an asshole who likes making other people pissed at them

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Kakko on first line experiment needs to end. We actually had a very good third line but of course not so much now.
They are actually driving his trade value down if that's why they are playing him on line 1. Sure he gets a few minutes more per game but he looks completely lost on that line

Its been one game lol

 

[Ail]

Listening to the PDOcast trade deadline special they suggested:

STL: Kakko, Lindgren, NYR 1st, Ottawa 2nd
OTT: Parayko, Goodrow, Othmann
NYR: Chychrun, Buchnevich

Too rich for my blood but I appreciate them recognizing Goodrow and Lindgren are players that need to be moved to improve this team.

 

[tlk]

anyone who says they "tell it like it is" is most likely just an asshole who likes making other people pissed at them

To be loved you have to be nice to people. Every day. But to be hated, you don't have to do squat. (c)

and for all the debating bickering quarreling people do about how to make the RONGOS better, the GM (who's duty to be the superior of all hence the servant of all) gets a free pass bc he thinks someone is an asshole. Right.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

You're doing God's work, my friend.

Only Fans Part II:

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I think it has more to do with their top line talent like Kucherov and Stamkos and Point and Hedman and Vasy rather than whatever scrubs they put together before the deadline

True.

They bring in and play a certain type of game that lends itself well to playoff hockey. Hes a good coach and identifies good role players, thats really the point i was trying to make

 

[Levitate]

Listening to the PDOcast trade deadline special they suggested:

STL: Kakko, Lindgren, NYR 1st, Ottawa 2nd
OTT: Parayko, Goodrow, Othmann
NYR: Chychrun, Buchnevich

Too rich for my blood but I appreciate them recognizing Goodrow and Lindgren are players that need to be moved to improve this team.

that's a lot for a rental and guy with 1 year on his deal

True.

They bring in and play a certain type of game that lends itself well to playoff hockey. Hes a good coach and identifies good role players, thats really the point i was trying to make

yeah fair

 

[tlk]

Listening to the PDOcast trade deadline special they suggested:

STL: Kakko, Lindgren, NYR 1st, Ottawa 2nd
OTT: Parayko, Goodrow, Othmann
NYR: Chychrun, Buchnevich

Too rich for my blood but I appreciate them recognizing Goodrow and Lindgren are players that need to be moved to improve this team.

LMAO this is a kind of proposal that gets thread locked on the main boards