Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[Shesterkybomb]

People keep saying that and will probably say it again next year if we're in a good spot, and the year after as well. It's always time to go for it in some people's minds. This is the mentality that shortens competitive windows and results in no cups. It's the same mentality we've had forever.

I'm not saying we shouldn't add anyone, but we need to be smart about it rather than just spending big on the biggest names.

This is the first year I've said it and it mostly revolves around the age of our highest point producers and the contracts of Laf, K'andre, Schneider, etc. How many more high level years do we expect from Kreider and Panarin? If they drop off in the next two years we will be stuck in the middle again like before the rebuild when Nash, Richards, St.Louis etc aged out. My frustration the last couple of years was that we needed to keep our picks for this year, fill up the cupboards and then go for it the next 3 years before we waste another all stars prime and when they fall off we have a ton of young prospects to backfill with. Thankfully we drafted well with Othmann, Sykora, Perrault etc.

 

[Daves a mess]

Almost anything can happen before next Fri

Scares the f*** outta me

I'm gonna enjoy the hell out of it.

Always do.

As we get older we learn to live better with things that we have ZERO control over.

What will be, will be.

Now, please throw this post back in my face if I come on here whining like a b**ch about Drurys moves on March 8.

Please, and thank you.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

The lack of quality players available combined with teams having little cap space is gonna make for a long boring ass week

 

[Daves a mess]

The lack of quality players available combined with teams having little cap space is gonna make for a long boring ass week

#anyonebutjoeledmundson

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So you think Verbeek was at the game to scout Goodrow????

Possibly yeah. If the two teams are discussing any scenario where the Ducks may take on his contract, Verbeek will want to make his evaluation on cap hit deadweight vs ability to contribute.

 

[GAGLine]

I agree as I feel like we have some pretty damn solid organizational depth at forward. And our D-core on the nhl roster are pretty young (fox, lindy, kandre, schneider). Id be more looking to move picks than prospects.

For example, lets say our 2024 1st could land wennberg and eberle, you do that, right?

Combined they cost 10 mil. Seattle would have to eat half on both. There's zero chance that we'd get both with retention for just a 1st round pick, but if Seattle was stupid enough to do that deal, I'd absolutely have to consider it.

This is the first year I've said it and it mostly revolves around the age of our highest point producers and the contracts of Laf, K'andre, Schneider, etc. How many more high level years do we expect from Kreider and Panarin? If they drop off in the next two years we will be stuck in the middle again like before the rebuild when Nash, Richards, St.Louis etc aged out. My frustration the last couple of years was that we needed to keep our picks for this year, fill up the cupboards and then go for it the next 3 years before we waste another all stars prime and when they fall off we have a ton of young prospects to backfill with. Thankfully we drafted well with Othmann, Sykora, Perrault etc.

What if Mika continues to be ass? What if Trouba and Lindgren don't pick up their games? What if Panarin goes back to being playoff Panarin?

Thinking that our only chance to win is while those 2 players are at the top of their game is why we continue to fail year after year. The team believes it and trades away our future. We don't win and we either toil away in mediocrity until we crash and burn, or we start trading away players for futures to jumpstart a rebuild. It's the same thing over and over again.

If this is the last hurrah for Kreider and Panarin, so be it. As long as we have quality goaltending, we have a chance. As long as we have quality prospects ready to come up and fill spots, we have a chance. Maybe Panarin falls off, we don't re-sign him, and we use that money to sign McDavid as a UFA. We can't predict the future, but we can prepare for it.

I would rather be good every year and have a shot at the cup every year, than play this whack a mole game where we're trying to maximize our chances by going all until we have nothing left.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers could have up to around $6m in cap space at this deadline. Finding a couple of guys who are overpaid with no market will cost practically nothing. Look at the gymnastics teams are going through to make trades.

 

[LORDE]

Combined they cost 10 mil. Seattle would have to eat half on both. There's zero chance that we'd get both with retention for just a 1st round pick, but if Seattle was stupid enough to do that deal, I'd absolutely have to consider it.

What if Mika continues to be ass? What if Trouba and Lindgren don't pick up their games? What if Panarin goes back to being playoff Panarin?

Thinking that our only chance to win is while those 2 players are at the top of their game is why we continue to fail year after year. The team believes it and trades away our future. We don't win and we either toil away in mediocrity until we crash and burn, or we start trading away players for futures to jumpstart a rebuild. It's the same thing over and over again.

If this is the last hurrah for Kreider and Panarin, so be it. As long as we have quality goaltending, we have a chance. As long as we have quality prospects ready to come up and fill spots, we have a chance. Maybe Panarin falls off, we don't re-sign him, and we use that money to sign McDavid as a UFA. We can't predict the future, but we can prepare for it.

I would rather be good every year and have a shot at the cup every year, than play this whack a mole game where we're trying to maximize our chances by going all until we have nothing left.

Isn't this the blueprint of the org that's been brought down the mountain by Moses, carved in stone tablets?

Predestined.

 

[Vitto79]

Bjugstad is lined up as their 2C tonight. I'm more interested if the Coyotes would move Hayton. He's on the top line now and would immediately fill the 3C void not just for now.

Coyotes went center with their last two very high picks. Hayton is an RFA, who knows what their money situation is.

I do like Zucker, he's just been so injury prone.

Rather go after McBain. Hayton is ok but he'd drive Rangers fans nuts. Hayton is too inconsistent and soft.

I feel like AZ will be open to players vs picks

I rather trade for McBain someone who will be here for me than a year or 2 even if it costs more. McBain has nasty in his game, big physical center and only 24. Would not mind Zucker but isn't he injury prone lately?

I’d agree on McBain. He can have a big role in years to come

 

[McRanger92]

I love that the trade deadline turns into an existential crisis for Rangers fans. Just add a few solid players and dont overpay. Its not that difficult. I trust Drury.

 

[duhmetreE]

odog always says the big boys get paid to win.

Odog needs to show me what Zibs has won

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know the whole Tarasenko-retention topic is kinda polarising but Seravalli now confirms it as well.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

but Tarasenko only has a 5 mil cap hit that's not bad at all

 

[SA16]

I know the whole Tarasenko-retention topic is kinda polarising but Seravalli now confirms it as well.

What would they have to pay Ottawa to convince Ottawa/Tarasenko to mutually terminate his contract and then sign him as a FA?

 

[GAGLine]

but Tarasenko only has a 5 mil cap hit that's not bad at all

It's bad if we want to add anyone other than Tarasenko. We have about 4.4 mil in cap space. We can send Belzile down to clear 800k, but then Tarasenko uses all of our cap space and we're done making moves.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

It's bad if we want to add anyone other than Tarasenko. We have about 4.4 mil in cap space. We can send Belzile down to clear 800k, but then Tarasenko uses all of our cap space and we're done making moves.

I'd be happy with Vatrano, Henrique or Tarasenko. I would like an extra Defenseman if possible for Lindgren insurance

 

[bhamill]

Kane is at 3 points/60 at 5v5 through 29 games. That’s right around where the league leaders end up every year

He’s at about a point per game regardless. That’s not elite. And that’s not a knock. It’s just reality.

I was replying to someone who literally just said their biggest concern is not being able to score enough. He’s right.

Where they are in the regular season standings is irrelevant to that determination. Also I never said they had no skill.



Take it up with the guy who said it.

I’m taking it up with the planet!!

 

[surlysailor]

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Still think nyr should try and add foegle. Can be a similar acquisition to when they first got vatrano. Could be cheap a player to add since edm is trying to clear space to add higher salaried players like fl was trying to do w/giroux.

 

[GAGLine]

I'd be happy with Vatrano, Henrique or Tarasenko. I would like an extra Defenseman if possible for Lindgren insurance

That's what I'm saying though. If we trade for Tarasenko, it would be at full cap hit, and we wouldn't have the cap space to add a dman.

 

[TheBPA]

Go get Warren Foegele or Tommy Novak for a mid round pick.

Wennberg or someone similar for 3C.

We just need some more FWD depth at a reasonable cost.

 

[GAGLine]

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Still think nyr should try and add foegle. Can be a similar acquisition to when they first got vatrano. Could be cheap a player to add since edm is trying to clear space to add higher salaried players like fl was trying to do w/giroux.

Foegele is a good idea. Edmonton needs to shed cap space to make other moves, so he could probably be acquired cheaply.

 

[Raspewtin]

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Still think nyr should try and add foegle. Can be a similar acquisition to when they first got vatrano. Could be cheap a player to add since edm is trying to clear space to add higher salaried players like fl was trying to do w/giroux.

Foegele would be great but he really feels like someone EDM would rather keep.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The Rangers could have up to around $6m in cap space at this deadline. Finding a couple of guys who are overpaid with no market will cost practically nothing. Look at the gymnastics teams are going through to make trades.

Yeah. Seeing a lot of third teams coming in as brokers to retain salary.

I hope Drury shows some shrewdness this deadline. The original acquisition of Vatrano for a 4th rounder was a perfect example. Wasnt really on a lot of radars and didnt cost much to bring him in and was a good fit. I think there are a lot more players out there that could fit into the team structure but also not cost a ton. Its not my job to know who they are though lol

 

[GAGLine]

Yeah. Seeing a lot of third teams coming in as brokers to retain salary.

I hope Drury shows some shrewdness this deadline. The original acquisition of Vatrano for a 4th rounder was a perfect example. Wasnt really on a lot of radars and didnt cost much to bring him in and was a good fit. I think there are a lot more players out there that could fit into the team structure but also not cost a ton. Its not my job to know who they are though lol

Exactly. We shouldn't be looking for the current Vatrano, we should be looking for the next Vatrano. Just like we shouldn't have signed the current Goodrow, we should have signed the next Goodrow.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Mika March! Shave the head!

Only four games this season where he has scored a 5v5 goal. And yet we still have 40 wins. That's something else.