Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[EdJovanovski]

the irony of a Kakko for Zegras swap is that we’re just reversing winning the lottery. Zegras would have been the pick

"winning"

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The Rangers arent trading anyone off the NHL roster for anything less than a massive upgrade. People are letting their imaginations run wild today. Apparently Verbeek was at the Canes game the night before too,

Just today?

 

[McRanger92]

the irony of a Kakko for Zegras swap is that we’re just reversing winning the lottery. Zegras would have been the pick

That's a trade I think long and hard about this summer. I think bringing Zegras back home to a winning team and away from the LA Tiktok houses will help him reach his potential. Trading for an injured softie like Zegras in the middle of a playoff push goes against everything we know about Drury

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

the irony of a Kakko for Zegras swap is that we’re just reversing winning the lottery. Zegras would have been the pick

We wouldn’t have drafted him, he’s a center

What does that have to do with Jones though? Does having Fox mean the team can’t have anyone else that can make a 5 foot pass?

Jones makes Fox look like Chris Pronger

 

[gravey9]

Quick thought: #1 reason Verbeek shows up to the garden to watch the Rangers play is to publicly create leverage in negotiations with ANOTHER team.

Now back to your regularly scheduled speculation.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Jones makes Fox look like Chris Pronger

I think Jones is actually bigger than Fox.

 

[E-Train]

I think Jones is actually bigger than Fox.

Height wise Fox may have an inch or so but Jones has definitely spent time in the gym

 

[McRanger92]

Quick thought: #1 reason Verbeek shows up to the garden to watch the Rangers play is to publicly create leverage in negotiations with ANOTHER team.

Now back to your regularly scheduled speculation.

That would benefit Drury AND Verbeek

 

[haohmaru]

Jones is taking Gus’ spot next year if he’s not moved.

 

[bhamill]

Totally different - driven by the salary cap crunch.

And an attempt to open spots for the kids.

 

[Fitzy]

I admire everyone's maturity in being able to talk about getting bigger D in such serious overtones.

The reason why Jones and often Robertson are being pitched as trade bait is because Jones is no longer waiver exempt, and Robby won't be next season. That decreases the value of a prospect significantly who hasn't cracked the NHL full time yet.

The more time passes the harder a case there is to make that either of them will pan out full time at this level. We need to draft new defensive prospects.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I admire everyone's maturity in being able to talk about getting bigger D in such serious overtones.

The reason why Jones and often Robertson are being pitched as trade bait is because Jones is no longer waiver exempt, and Robby won't be next season. That decreases the value of a prospect significantly who hasn't cracked the NHL full time yet.

The more time passes the harder a case there is to make that either of them will pan out full time at this level. We need to draft new defensive prospects.

We are,,, thats why fortescue was.

 

[bhamill]

Maybe the Rangers top 6 should play with some passion and emotion. Trocheck does.




He is not available for a rental or someone not named Zegras or McTavish

I personally do NOT trade Perrault for Zegras. IMO Zegras is wildly overrated. Purely offensive 2C at BEST, GP is looking elite. Basically his floor is Zegras..

 

[IDvsEGO]

I personally do NOT trade Perrault for Zegras. IMO Zegras is wildly overrated. Purely offensive 2C at BEST, GP is looking elite. Basically his floor is Zegras..

I'd move Mika for Zegras.
I think you let trocheck be 1c, zegras at 2c, it opens cap for a year, lets you deal with kk's salary, and lock him and schneider into solid deals, without weakening the team.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Jones is taking Gus’ spot next year if he’s not moved.

I think that would be a smart idea

 

[bhamill]

I'd move Mika for Zegras.
I think you let trocheck be 1c, zegras at 2c, it opens cap for a year, lets you deal with kk's salary, and lock him and schneider into solid deals, without weakening the team.

I would do that, but would Mika? Personally it seems like Mika needs a change of scenery. He seems to have stagnated. I would not be surprised if he started lighting it up again after a move. The skills are still there, it's mental.
Mika is already our 2C, regardless of what people say. Zegras is younger, fills that spot for 8 years at a lower cap hit.

 

[haohmaru]

I would do that, but would Mika? Personally it seems like Mika needs a change of scenery. He seems to have stagnated. I would not be surprised if he started lighting it up again after a move. The skills are still there, it's mental.
Mika is already our 2C, regardless of what people say. Zegras is younger, fills that spot for 8 years at a lower cap hit.

There’s no way that’s happening at this TDL. Zero chance.

 

[Lion Hound]

Quick thought: #1 reason Verbeek shows up to the garden to watch the Rangers play is to publicly create leverage in negotiations with ANOTHER team.

Now back to your regularly scheduled speculation.

Similar to Sather getting in Brooks ear with a scoop. Deflection to keep other clubs off the real intended targets.

NHL Scouts have been doing this for years at the drafts. Pumping up other prospects, to let teams think they are going to move on a player. Or...downgrading a prospect that they want to fall to them.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I personally do NOT trade Perrault for Zegras. IMO Zegras is wildly overrated. Purely offensive 2C at BEST, GP is looking elite. Basically his floor is Zegras..

Nobody with a brain would trade Perrault for Zegras.

 

[bhamill]

It's really, really hilarious that the "need more grit, leadership and intangibles" crowd is finally starting to come around to the realization that grit problems can be solved with players like Rempe and Edstrom whereas the "can't score enough goals," problem is way harder and should have been more heavily addressed when we had the chance.

You learned that in the last two weeks, some of us knew it 3 seasons ago that this would be a problem.

I remember I kept being told that "you just want a utopia fantasy team that's too loaded," instead of the reality which is that many of these skill players will bomb out or bust and that we needed a bunch more for insulation.

NYR are 8th in goals for. We can stop saying they don't score enough goals. Can we WANT more goals? Sure, why not? That would be great, but lets stop talking like this team cant score, they are like 0.35 GPG off of the lead...

 

[kovazub94]

There's plenty of doubt. Why would we trade Kakko for a rental/short term fix? Why would we trade an important winger when we need to add a winger?

Just because Verbeek was at the game doesn't mean Drury is going to make a deal with him or give him his first choice of players if he does make a deal with him.

The only players currently on the roster who have a reasonable chance of being traded are Goodrow and Jones. If Drury and Verbeek make a deal, it's very possible that Goodrow is going the other way.

No reason to stop from getting preemptively outraged over something that hasn't happened other than in someone's imagination.

 

[bobbop]

What the Rangers haven’t learned: their biggest problem is their defensemen. If I am taking a big swing, that’s the part of the ice that I am aiming at, but I just doubt they see it that way

They don’t. Neither do I.

 

[aufheben]

I'd move Mika for Zegras.
I think you let trocheck be 1c, zegras at 2c, it opens cap for a year, lets you deal with kk's salary, and lock him and schneider into solid deals, without weakening the team.

Anaheim is going to want Zibanejad. They’re rebuilding and they have future centers.

 

[bobbop]

Dallas owes Calgary an extra pick if they reach the Cup finals. 3rd round pick. If they don't win three playoff rounds, it's nothing.



If Drury made this trade, a first round pick was ending up in this deal.

One of the two round picks became a first when the Rangers won two playoff rounds in the Copp trade. Did Copp do anything for the Rangers in the playoffs? He got hurt before the playoffs started. There wasn't one moment in the playoffs. Copp missed an empty net in game 5 against TB. That's the one moment. Winnipeg didn't even retain money. The Rangers didn't need them to retain but the Rangers gave up too much for a rental with zero retention.

Even now you hear Vince say the Rangers will make a similar deal to the Copp deal. The draft pick will elevate to a first round pick for the rental if they win two playoff rounds. How do you measure that player's impact on the team? So dumb. So Rangers.

All of these teams wanted Tanev. Dallas. Vancouver. Edmonton. Toronto. Colorado.

2nd round pick and some filler prospect for Tanev at 50%. A 4th round pick for Jersey to retain 25%.


I fully expect Chris to make some stupid trade where the Rangers end up giving up a first round pick for a rental.

Calgary made a terrible trade. No two ways around it.

 

[bhamill]

That’s the hope I think, or even can Fowler if he was ever made available would be acceptable. If it’s for Vatrano or Henrique that would be disappointing.

I'd probably take Zegras, though I think Kakko will be at least as good of a player, and probably better, all around, simply because we have been shitty at drafting top 6 centers.
I wouldn't trade him for Fowler, not trading youth for a guy on the downside... that's just me.