Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[McRanger92]

I don't remember teams taking liberties with the Rangers before Rempe.

Aho on Fox sticks out. Rangers turned the other cheek on that one and got blown out at home by the Canes. Still annoys me

 

[RGY]

Cause he won in the past with Goodrow

That is not why…

 

[NYRKing]

Per Brooks, Verbeek was at the game last night. No doubt it’s to watch Kakko.

 

[NYR Viper]

I will be thoroughly disappointed if the trade is Kakko for Vatrano + Henrique. I’d almost call it disgusted

 

[GAGLine]

Per Brooks, Verbeek was at the game last night. No doubt it’s to watch Kakko.

There's plenty of doubt. Why would we trade Kakko for a rental/short term fix? Why would we trade an important winger when we need to add a winger?

Just because Verbeek was at the game doesn't mean Drury is going to make a deal with him or give him his first choice of players if he does make a deal with him.

The only players currently on the roster who have a reasonable chance of being traded are Goodrow and Jones. If Drury and Verbeek make a deal, it's very possible that Goodrow is going the other way.

 

[pld459666]

3rd rounder for Henrique, 1st for Sharangovich

Solves both the 3c and RW issues we have

 

[haohmaru]

Most wins in the league after 60 games*







* Not a contender. Trade for futures.

 

[NYRKing]

There's plenty of doubt. Why would we trade Kakko for a rental/short term fix? Why would we trade an important winger when we need to add a winger?

Just because Verbeek was at the game doesn't mean Drury is going to make a deal with him or give him his first choice of players if he does make a deal with him.

The only players currently on the roster who have a reasonable chance of being traded are Goodrow and Jones. If Drury and Verbeek make a deal, it's very possible that Goodrow is going the other way.

So you think Verbeek was at the game to scout Goodrow????

There’s plenty of doubt Kakko is ACTUALLY traded . But believe you me, he ain’t there to have a close look at Barclay.

 

[GAGLine]

3rd rounder for Henrique, 1st for Sharangovich

Solves both the 3c and RW issues we have

While a 3rd is the most I'd be willing to pay for Henrique (mostly because we only have 1 2nd round pick in the next 3 years and I hate Henrique), there's no chance he gets traded for a 3rd. And Sharangovich will cost more than a late 1st.

 

[mas0764]

The NHL standings also represent a chart done with numbers. The Rangers are at the top of that one. Kind of amazing which conclusion you prefer...

No one prefers the conclusions drawn by straight regular season standings; that's why there are playoffs. Sick burn though.

 

[GAGLine]

So you think Verbeek was at the game to scout Goodrow????

There’s plenty of doubt Kakko is ACTUALLY traded . But believe you me, he ain’t there to have a close look at Barclay.

Who says he was there to scout anyone? Maybe he was just there to speak to Drury in person.

If he was there to scout Kakko, or anyone else, it means nothing if Drury refuses to trade that player.

 

[mas0764]

So in the last two weeks here’s what we learned; a) the Rangers have solved their sandpaper problem internally. (Even if Edstrom and Rempe spend some time back in Hartford, they will be available as needed for the playoffs. b) The Rangers need an offensive boost. That could be either a RW to go with Mika and Kreider or a 3rd center. Right now, they are not scoring enough goals.

It's really, really hilarious that the "need more grit, leadership and intangibles" crowd is finally starting to come around to the realization that grit problems can be solved with players like Rempe and Edstrom whereas the "can't score enough goals," problem is way harder and should have been more heavily addressed when we had the chance.

You learned that in the last two weeks, some of us knew it 3 seasons ago that this would be a problem.

I remember I kept being told that "you just want a utopia fantasy team that's too loaded," instead of the reality which is that many of these skill players will bomb out or bust and that we needed a bunch more for insulation.

 

[mas0764]

Dallas owes Calgary an extra pick if they reach the Cup finals. 3rd round pick. If they don't win three playoff rounds, it's nothing.



If Drury made this trade, a first round pick was ending up in this deal.

One of the two round picks became a first when the Rangers won two playoff rounds in the Copp trade. Did Copp do anything for the Rangers in the playoffs? He got hurt before the playoffs started. There wasn't one moment in the playoffs. Copp missed an empty net in game 5 against TB. That's the one moment. Winnipeg didn't even retain money. The Rangers didn't need them to retain but the Rangers gave up too much for a rental with zero retention.

Even now you hear Vince say the Rangers will make a similar deal to the Copp deal. The draft pick will elevate to a first round pick for the rental if they win two playoff rounds. How do you measure that player's impact on the team? So dumb. So Rangers.

All of these teams wanted Tanev. Dallas. Vancouver. Edmonton. Toronto. Colorado.

2nd round pick and some filler prospect for Tanev at 50%. A 4th round pick for Jersey to retain 25%.


I fully expect Chris to make some stupid trade where the Rangers end up giving up a first round pick for a rental.

The only condition on elevation to a first should be winning three rounds.

If they make it to the Cup Finals I do believe they have a decent chance to win it. What I don't believe they can do is get out of the East.

I think that really kills the market for defenseman tbh.

The problem is that we don't really have a spot for a low-end defenseman.

What we need is a high end one, and to move out Lindgren and/or Trouba to accomodate. That kind of move I don't see happening.

 

[mas0764]

Most wins in the league after 60 games*







* Not a contender. Trade for futures.

For the record, I'm not actually stumping for them to legitimately start cashing in players just cause rental costs are high. Under the right circumstances, even if you are in playoff position, and if the return offered is great enough, I think that is a smart approach -- but I'm not calling malpractice if they don't.

I'm just against giving up any firsts or high end youth.

If they want to plug holes with seconds, thirds, fourths and fifths, I'm fine with that all day, essentially, with the caveat that we have no seconds because we have already squandered them all with the lie to ourselves that we gotta gotta gotta have it now each of the past few seasons.

So we have to be austere a bit this deadline by necessity.

In the offseason, yeah, I am dumping Trouba and Goodrow and trying to upgrade Mika for sure.

 

[GAGLine]

The problem is that we don't really have a spot for a low-end defenseman.

A low end dman doesn't have to play every game. He could be the 7th dman, pushing Jones down to 8th. Gus's play has tapered off in the 2nd half. Adding someone that threatens to take his spot could push him to play better, or that player could end up being the better option. And if we have injuries, I'd like to have more than just Jones as a replacement. There's no one in Hartford that I'd trust to play a regular shift in the playoffs.

 

[mas0764]

A low end dman doesn't have to play every game. He could be the 7th dman, pushing Jones down to 8th. Gus's play has tapered off in the 2nd half. Adding someone that threatens to take his spot could push him to play better, or that player could end up being the better option. And if we have injuries, I'd like to have more than just Jones as a replacement. There's no one in Hartford that I'd trust to play a regular shift in the playoffs.

I guess, but I don't want to give up a second for that.

Like a 5th or 6th, for a guy who won't play.

 

[haohmaru]

For the record, I'm not actually stumping for them to legitimately start cashing in players just cause rental costs are high. Under the right circumstances, even if you are in playoff position, and if the return offered is great enough, I think that is a smart approach -- but I'm not calling malpractice if they don't.

I'm just against giving up any firsts or high end youth.

If they want to plug holes with seconds, thirds, fourths and fifths, I'm fine with that all day, essentially, with the caveat that we have no seconds because we have already squandered them all with the lie to ourselves that we gotta gotta gotta have it now each of the past few seasons.

So we have to be austere a bit this deadline by necessity.

In the offseason, yeah, I am dumping Trouba and Goodrow and trying to upgrade Mika for sure.

Oh I’m mostly with you. This wasn’t directed at you.

I’m totally against a pure rental. Hockey trade. Guys with term left or can be signed. No stupid 1st for Henrique moves. Jones and a 1st for Novak if he’ll sign. Pinto. Vatrano if the cost isn’t nuts.

 

[mas0764]

The frustrating thing is that -- and I just said that I'm not for them cashing in players right now -- but if they HAD punted on a two years ago or last year, and they had two extra firsts or first round prospects in their war chest right now - they could really go for it.

Like if we had 3 firsts and a prospect that we could offer, we could go get an Eichel. Then we would be cooking. Man I'm so glad we had that one round of Tarasenko.

And before anyone says "But we had to go for it because we didn't know that we'd flame out in the first," -- Bullshit.

Many of us did know.

 

[Gardner McKay]

The only condition on elevation to a first should be winning three rounds.

If they make it to the Cup Finals I do believe they have a decent chance to win it. What I don't believe they can do is get out of the East.



The problem is that we don't really have a spot for a low-end defenseman.

What we need is a high end one, and to move out Lindgren and/or Trouba to accomodate. That kind of move I don't see happening.

True but Tanev is hardly a low end defenseman.

 

[Gardner McKay]

The frustrating thing is that -- and I just said that I'm not for them cashing in players right now -- but if they HAD punted on a two years ago or last year, and they had two extra firsts or first round prospects in their war chest right now - they could really go for it.

Like if we had 3 firsts and a prospect that we could offer, we could go get an Eichel. Then we would be cooking. Man I'm so glad we had that one round of Tarasenko.

And before anyone says "But we had to go for it because we didn't know that we'd flame out in the first," -- Bullshit.

Many of us did know.

I think we would have had more than one round of Tarasenko and Mikkola had we not acquired Kane. That acquisition killed the team chemistry and turned Panarin from a HHOF'er into a C level beer league player.

 

[bernmeister]

Remputation

The Rempire State Building is getting a remputation!

Edstrom and Rempe definitely have been impressive, and should both get a long leash on the 4th line going forward. That means Goodrow out the door too in the offseason.

yes, keep both going forward
but
why long leash?
I don't say slot higher immediately, but
why be close minded about moving up: e.g., Edstrom as pivot betw Kreid + Zib

 

[Alluckks]

Aho on Fox sticks out. Rangers turned the other cheek on that one and got blown out at home by the Canes. Still annoys me

We won that game

 

[Vitto79]

Could see a deal before Saturday ?
Zucker may come Cheap
Dermott and Brown on D

Jones and a 3rd ?

 

[GAGLine]

Could see a deal before Saturday ?
Zucker may come Cheap
Dermott and Brown on D

Jones and a 3rd ?

Why are people so quick to throw Jones into trades? We need to improve our defensive depth. We aren't going to do that by trading 1 dman for another.

Jones could absolutely be traded this summer, but right now, we should be looking to add a dman to push Jones down to 8th on the depth chart. We have no one in Hartford that we can trust to take a regular shift in the playoffs.

 

[Vitto79]

Why are people so quick to throw Jones into trades? We need to improve our defensive depth. We aren't going to do that by trading 1 dman for another.

Jones could absolutely be traded this summer, but right now, we should be looking to add a dman to push Jones down to 8th on the depth chart. We have no one in Hartford that we can trust to take a regular shift in the playoffs.

I just don’t think he’s going to get to play here and they want to add bigger D

Robertson may play next year in his place