Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[Alluckks]

This is a little too EA Sports (especially the Goodrow stuff) but sign me up

It is entirely unrealistic. The moves are each too complicated to do more than 1 before the deadline. Most GMs get decision freezing syndrome, especially as sellers.

 

[McRanger92]

It is entirely unrealistic. The moves are each too complicated to do more than 1 before the deadline. Most GMs get decision freezing syndrome, especially as sellers.

It is funny how much GMs and fans are hesitant to make moves when 2/3rds of the league have a 0% chance of winning a playoff round lol. The league would be better with more player movement.

 

[duhmetreE]

and people want to put them together on a pair? they wouldn't be able to break the puck out of their own zone. If you take lindy away from Fox he has to play with gusto, but then you have the issue of too many rd. i feel like the only way that all happens is if schneider goes in another deal. like schnieder and other parts for a resigned hanafin and a d of:

hanafin fox
miller trouba
lindgren gusto

or

miller fox
hanafin trouba
lindgren gusto

Miller really is the key to all of it, if he is playing like he can he changes everything here.

trading Schneider to accommodate them would be a disaster.

having 2 good pairs would be better than having 1. I'd like to see how they perform for a few games. side note, Trouba and Lindgren should be barred from pinching.

The ideal world imo is to trade Lindgren+ for Chychrun/Hanifin types. Put Gus with Trouba.

KAM Fox
Hanifin/Chychrun Schneider
Gus Trouba

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Screw Henrique and Vatrano at their asking prices. I'd stand pat before I'd do that.

I don’t understand why they want these guys they’re not even top 9 upgrades. Duclair/Roslovic would be good adds

 

[McRanger92]

trading Schneider to accommodate them would be a disaster.

having 2 good pairs would be better than having 1. I'd like to see how they perform for a few games. side note, Trouba and Lindgren should be barred from pinching.

Lindgren's head would explode (more than usual) if he wasn't allowed to take the puck down the wall and turn it over behind the net when he cant find an outlet.

I don’t understand why they want these guys they’re not even top 9 upgrades. Duclair/Roslovic would be good adds

Dont want Henrique or Vatrano but Duclair and Roslovic are hot ass. I wouldnt take either guy for free.

 

[17futurecap]

If people don’t like players playing defense, Anthony Duclair would be hated here by about the second period of the first game he plays.

 

[bleedblue94]

trading Schneider to accommodate them would be a disaster.

having 2 good pairs would be better than having 1. I'd like to see how they perform for a few games. side note, Trouba and Lindgren should be barred from pinching.

The ideal world imo is to trade Lindgren+ for Chychrun/Hanifin types. Put Gus with Trouba.

KAM Fox
Hanifin/Chychrun Schneider
Gus Trouba

trouba doesnt have the mobility to recover from the bad gusto turnovers. i think people are missing just how much miller's skating saves the team from bigger issues bc he closes so much ground that trouba generally doesnt. i have schneider in a deal based on value, not because i want to trade him. hanafin would be the ideal partner for me for fox right now, and it would be great to land him. what are you sending the flames for him though? what is the real value. berard and a 1st isnt going to get it done, and i am not sure they will want lindgren, although they may. I just look at lindgren and if you rip him out of that locker room in season before a playoff run i think you do more internal damage than people on a message board realize. he is absolutely one of the biggest leaders on the team, and tearing him out of the room would be a bomb right now. that being said, if he is a 3rd pair guy for the playoffs i think that is ideal.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

See, I can excuse the rush chances against to some extent. It's hard to completely cut those out in today's game. And usually they happen due to over aggressiveness, which is not always a negative especially for a team like ours that has been too passive.

On the other hand it infuriates me when the other team can get inside on us so easily. Trouba and Miller are big guys constantly getting beat inside by smaller players. Lindgren is usually picking up his teeth in the corner while Fox gets double and tripled teamed in front. Gustafsson had a good start but he has more egregious D zone lapses than anyone. Schneider and Fox are really the only guys who will consistently fight for position, even if they arent always winning. Its why I think we need a D with size even if the underlying numbers look scary. And I'm sure there is a guy out there who will do that boring, stay at home stuff AND have good metrics. Its Drury's job to find it.



You will find no argument from me

You're never going to be able to eliminate rush chances completely, thats true for any team.

Rangers sat at 30th out of 32 teams in rush chances against before Sunday's game. Thats bad and there is a direct correlation between winning in the playoffs and not.

The year that Tampa was godly and they got knocked out by CBJ in round 1? They were also 2nd to last in the league in rush defense.

The problem isn't just overaggressiveness, it's poor puck management, players not getting back, players getting back and not picking up the right guy, etc.

Their in zone coverage is actually good. Anyone who complains here doesn't watch other teams. It's like the argument that this team overpasses. Yeah they do, so does almost everyone else. Being an Avalanche fan would kill some people on this board with how much they overpass.

 

[bleedblue94]

Is Granlund or Kunin going to end up here by the deadline?

I have always thought Kunin would be a fit around here in a tweener role. His offense has never come together but he has been a PIA player for years and would prob be most effective if put into a bottom 6 role and can slide up the lineup to help with injuries like vesey. plays center and rw, both are areas of need for this team.

 

[duhmetreE]

trouba doesnt have the mobility to recover from the bad gusto turnovers. i think people are missing just how much miller's skating saves the team from bigger issues bc he closes so much ground that trouba generally doesnt. i have schneider in a deal based on value, not because i want to trade him. hanafin would be the ideal partner for me for fox right now, and it would be great to land him. what are you sending the flames for him though? what is the real value. berard and a 1st isnt going to get it done, and i am not sure they will want lindgren, although they may. I just look at lindgren and if you rip him out of that locker room in season before a playoff run i think you do more internal damage than people on a message board realize. he is absolutely one of the biggest leaders on the team, and tearing him out of the room would be a bomb right now. that being said, if he is a 3rd pair guy for the playoffs i think that is ideal.

that's the problem. It's status quo where they probably be handcuffed by our d-corps in the playoffs.... and wait to make the moves in the offseason.
Maybe they bring it to another level come Playoff time. Trouba will not learn how to skate though. Sure he can be better but he is extremely limited due to his immobility. He truly has to be moved in the offseason

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is Granlund or Kunin going to end up here by the deadline?

I have always thought Kunin would be a fit around here in a tweener role. His offense has never come together but he has been a PIA player for years and would prob be most effective if put into a bottom 6 role and can slide up the lineup to help with injuries like vesey. plays center and rw, both are areas of need for this team.

Kunin is one of the worst regulars in the league.

 

[bernmeister]

I think you just treat that model like its infallible and then spam the thread telling us we have no chance and to stop talking about "overpaying for rentals" like anyone is advocating that. Improve the team at the deadline, every playoff team does it. It's not going to hurt you.

top "overpaying for rentals"
stop talking about "overpaying for rentals"

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think a Wennberg/Eberle combo is probably the baseline of what I would consider okay (within reason, if the return going the other way is stupid then its stupid but that is true of any trade.)

 

[bleedblue94]

Kunin is one of the worst regulars in the league.

he has been cast as a top 6 player on awful teams for years. i am curious what he does on a good team in a bottom 6 role. not a top role. i know that is beyond him. i am also eying the grier/drury relationship

 

[huerter]

As noted on Spittin Chiclets today:

Zdeno Chara: “I don't think any player really embodies what a hockey player should be in the modern game like he does. Lindgren is the catalyst."

I pray Drury doesn't trade Lindgren. Actually I don't pray for things that are a given.

 

[bleedblue94]

that's the problem. It's status quo where they probably be handcuffed by our d-corps in the playoffs.... and wait to make the moves in the offseason.
Maybe they bring it to another level come Playoff time. Trouba will not learn how to skate though. Sure he can be better but he is extremely limited due to his immobility. He truly has to be moved in the offseason

again, i will be shocked if they move him this summer. i also am convinced that whatever the injury was to his knee last year has had a lasting impact bc since then he got better but he never has gotten back to what he was regarding mobility. he was not this "stiff" in his earlier years with the jets and rangers. all i am commenting on is that if he and lindgren are paired together for regular 5v5 it will be a mess. this is why i said that hanafin with fox would be ideal and let miller stay with trouba, or you can put miller with fox and then let hanafin play with trouba bc hanafin's skating is good enough to compensate. hanafin to me while paired with fox is just a perfect compliment on a top pairing

As noted on Spittin Chiclets today:

Zdeno Chara: “I don't think any player really embodies what a hockey player should be in the modern game like he does. Lindgren is the catalyst."

I pray Drury doesn't trade Lindgren. Actually I don't pray for things that are a given.

he is the most taken for granted leader on this team.

 

[TGWL]

I don’t understand why they want these guys they’re not even top 9 upgrades. Duclair/Roslovic would be good adds

Whether you're for or against those Henrique/Vatrano, both those players are better than Duclair/Roslovic. Not sure Roslovic is going to be the 3c we want in playoffs. Those players just bring us more speed and would cost less.

 

[gravey9]

Imo, the problem we have is that our untouchable prospects (imo just Perreault, but I know others feel Othmann is on that level) are the guys who rebuilding/retooling/non-contending teams are going to want, and those are the teams we’d be trading with. They would be looking for higher upside plays.

On the other hand, every contender needs Berard & Sykora types to fill out their bottom 6. Potential long-term players who may not have high-end upside but are quick, high IQ and at least a little physical. More importantly, guys who won’t break the bank. It’s the same reason I think the Rangers should be doing their damnedest to hold onto those players. When the stars are getting paid you need to have guys who’ll take less but are still valuable

This isn't an issue. When we traded our entire core, we didn't get any team's top prospects. We got B prospects and good draft picks. But we got prospects that were more like Hajek, Howden. We didn't get a single Perreault or Othmann. Teams are more willing to trade a higher draft pick than a top prospect. The guys that are more likely to move are guys like Henriksson, Chmelar, Roobreck, BMB, Robertson. Jones is the best young piece I could see the team moving.

The one aspect that makes this season much different than in season's past. Salary Cap for next year. With the cap going up and uncertainty about Chytil's future and not as many players who needed to be resigned I could see the team going for a player with another year left on his deal as opposed to the past 2 seasons where that was not an option at all. This year, it's reasonable. You could even imagine a scenario where Goodrow gets bought out or some other big moves are made in offseason if we have to move money around.

Our draft capital are fewer and far between, and only gets worse if we move more of it. We need to be careful about trading prospects we see filling a roster spot in the next 2 seasons.

The player i have zero interest in moving right now is Brett Berard. I think he may be more of a middle-six forward and spark plug when all is said and done. I think he plays the right way. has a higher motor, whereas Othmann is far too much of a PP specialist right now. I could see Berard becoming a regular next year or at least being a big deadline add, more so than Othmann who could be up and down next season.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

yeah I'm kinda having horrible thoughts of trading for Hanafin and then he gets played with Schneider because the Lindgren party can't be broken up

I'm having horrible thoughts of trading for Hanifin and then he signs with Tampa on July 1st.

 

[aufheben]

As noted on Spittin Chiclets today:

Zdeno Chara: “I don't think any player really embodies what a hockey player should be in the modern game like he does. Lindgren is the catalyst."

I pray Drury doesn't trade Lindgren. Actually I don't pray for things that are a given.

I thought that quote was fake lol

 

[McRanger92]

You're never going to be able to eliminate rush chances completely, thats true for any team.

Rangers sat at 30th out of 32 teams in rush chances against before Sunday's game. Thats bad and there is a direct correlation between winning in the playoffs and not.

The year that Tampa was godly and they got knocked out by CBJ in round 1? They were also 2nd to last in the league in rush defense.

The problem isn't just overaggressiveness, it's poor puck management, players not getting back, players getting back and not picking up the right guy, etc.

Their in zone coverage is actually good. Anyone who complains here doesn't watch other teams. It's like the argument that this team overpasses. Yeah they do, so does almost everyone else. Being an Avalanche fan would kill some people on this board with how much they overpass.

I agree that they need to play better team defense

As noted on Spittin Chiclets today:

Zdeno Chara: “I don't think any player really embodies what a hockey player should be in the modern game like he does. Lindgren is the catalyst."

I pray Drury doesn't trade Lindgren. Actually I don't pray for things that are a given.

That was a fake quote lol

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Lindgren has been ass this year and hurt every other 5 seconds, the time to sell is this summer.

Thanks for the time Lindy, go be someone else’s IR problem

 

[TGWL]

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

One of the benefits in moving Trouba at some point it that it opens up a more prominent spot for a still improving Schneider.

True, thanks for the insight

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think a Wennberg/Eberle combo is probably the baseline of what I would consider okay (within reason, if the return going the other way is stupid then its stupid but that is true of any trade.)

I like this as well, what do you think it would cost us ?