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McRanger92 said:
There would be no need for Hanifin if Miller took the next step this season but it hasnt happened. Hanifin is an all situations guy who has size and is actually good. The D market is interesting to me. No one has much to trade, and the most motivated teams to get Hanifin seem like Tampa (they have no assets) and the Devils (closer to sellers at this point). I think there is a window of opportunity for Drury.
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No we would because #55 exists.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
So you think he's played well?
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I think he has been somewhat inconsistent, but yes for a 24 year old who is anchored by Trouba, I think he is a solid B this year.

He is definitely not our problem. Trouba, Lindgren, Zibanejad, Kakko have not played well. That is why people are looking for us to trade for Hanafin or someone else. Two of our top 4 defenseman are playing like putrid ass.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
Because hes an actual problem with the defense that you and your ilk seem to want to ignore bc he's gritty and stuff.

But you didn't answer his question. Do you want Panarin dropping the gloves?

And if you want to add more snarl thats fine, but that probably has to be done at the forward position and not the D.

Florida is arguably the top team in the league and guess what? Rangers have more snarl on their D than they do! They got rid of Gudas who is all snarl and they've... gotten better? It's almost like other things are more important when you're trying to be good!
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Never mentioned Lindgren once or defended him. And no I don't want Panarin dropping the gloves because he scores a shit ton of points. And if Miller were more offensively inclined or produced like someone like Fox or whoever, i wouldn't care that he's softer than baby shit. But he is and he's been mediocre at best all year. What is he good at? What does he do so well that you and your ilk are willing to live with such a pedestrian season?
 
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My only argument for not moving Lindgren is how the room and team respond to it in season. Clearly he has taken steps back, but do they want to move a guy that is willing to put his body on the line and the rest of the team witnesses what he goes through? They're professionals and should be able to move past it. They did it with Callahan, but he was a UFA, and he was also the captain. Is Drury willing to be this bold as Sather was?

The Flames usually don't like to deal for just futures. Look at the Tkachuk deal. Got Kuzmenko in the deal for Lindholm. I wonder if they would include Lindgren, who the Flames could re-sign as an RFA in a deal. They'd have a direct lineup replacement with team control.

Trouba has to be an off-season move. Cap going up and becomes a NTC over a NMC. If this team goes far, I don't see him being moved though.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
If the charts say Miller has been good this year, the charts are worthless.
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He's had his ups and down but overall he's probably been fine. I think we'd like to have seen more consistency out of him but the gaffes he makes are more noticeable than the stuff he does well most of the time, which is why the eye test is always flawed in its own ways. Our brains definitely remember those moments that stand out far more than it recognizes some other baseline of consistency

Throwing on my BS speculating hat I think Miller really wants to be a go to star and perhaps has pushed too hard and tried tdo play above his level at times. His skating ability is a great strength, he can carry the puck quite well, but he can't make elite level passes and shouldn't try to, and he needs to watch his pinches because he gets caught on those too often. To some extent, let the game come to him when it matters and use his best attributes to push the pace when appropriate. I think he arguably pushed too hard this season trying to make it a big breakout year

e: I think the argument about him being soft is silly. He uses his stick and poke check far more effectively than taking the body would be
 
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Gardner McKay said:
I think he has been somewhat inconsistent, but yes for a 24 year old who is anchored by Trouba, I think he is a solid B this year.

He is definitely not our problem. Trouba, Lindgren, Zibanejad, Kakko have not played well. That is why people are looking for us to trade for Hanafin or someone else. Two of our top 4 defenseman are playing like putrid ass.
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Agree with everything you've said outside of the solid B. But he has not been as good as people here claim because, charts.

Levitate said:
He's had his ups and down but overall he's probably been fine. I think we'd like to have seen more consistency out of him but the gaffes he makes are more noticeable than the stuff he does well most of the time, which is why the eye test is always flawed in its own ways. Our brains definitely remember those moments that stand out far more than it recognizes some other baseline of consistency

Throwing on my BS speculating hat I think Miller really wants to be a go to star and perhaps has pushed too hard and tried tdo play above his level at times. His skating ability is a great strength, he can carry the puck quite well, but he can't make elite level passes and shouldn't try to, and he needs to watch his pinches because he gets caught on those too often. To some extent, let the game come to him when it matters and use his best attributes to push the pace when appropriate. I think he arguably pushed too hard this season trying to make it a big breakout year
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Totally reasonable and fair evaluation. Thank you.
 
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McRanger92 said:
The Brady Tkachuk trade chatter is intriguing. Renaud Lavoie repeating the same stuff Whit did about Tkachuk being unhappy and Stutzle unpopular. You can probably get anyone from Ottawa at this point. Their new owner may want to start from scratch. Sucks for the fans but they can blame Melnyk. Drury should trade for Pinto, thats a needle mover now and later
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Brady Tkachuk is a nasty forward who can be a PPG, or reasonably close to it, player. He's 24, just approaching his prime. That's the kind of addition you spend assets on.
I have no problem with Pinto either, as with any deal, it depends on the cost.
 
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bhamill said:
Brady Tkachuk is a nasty forward who can be a PPG, or reasonably close to it, player. He's 24, just approaching his prime. That's the kind of addition you spend assets on.
I have no problem with Pinto either, as with any deal, it depends on the cost.
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Id love Tkachuk but I don't want Machinehead to yell at me. Idk what the package even look like from our end but Im assuming its not something we'd be comfortable with in season. Going for Pinto, Chychrun, maybe even Mathieu Joseph (and Tarasenko) just seems cleaner.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Totally reasonable and fair evaluation. Thank you.
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To continue a bit on the physicality thing, it's very much a method and strength of his to sucker opposing forwards into range of his stick and then knock the puck away, which denies possession on entry and prevents the puck from getting in deep behind him. It's a very practiced method and skill he uses very well...he hides his reach and makes forwards think they can get in past him and then surprises them. This is probably overall more effective than trying to hit a guy who then still manages to get the puck in behind him.

So, in these instances I don't really wants or expect him to be standing up and throwing hits physically. If he can battle hard along the boards when necessary then I'm happy with it. He tends to get in more trouble when he tries to step up at the wrong time

e: of course the downside is that he occasionally will misjudge, but that's also something that happens with players who try to throw hits and miss. I think that probably was what happened in the last Columbus game where he got back on that 2-1 and then coasted when he could have tied up the other forward (Jenner?) who scored on the cross ice pass. Miller was probably thinking he could intercept any cross ice pass because it was in range of his stick but realistically the better move that time would have just been to tie up or get in alongside the guy going to the net.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Id love Tkachuk but I don't want Machinehead to yell at me. Idk what the package even look like from our end but Im assuming its not something we'd be comfortable with in season. Going for Pinto, Chychrun, maybe even Mathieu Joseph (and Tarasenko) just seems cleaner.
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I don't see Brady as a TDL move either, IF they go for it. I imagine it as an off season move.
Machinehead can yell at me. Somebody usually does. Hahahaha.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Never mentioned Lindgren once or defended him. And no I don't want Panarin dropping the gloves because he scores a shit ton of points. And if Miller were more offensively inclined or produced like someone like Fox or whoever, i wouldn't care that he's softer than baby shit. But he is and he's been mediocre at best all year. What is he good at? What does he do so well that you and your ilk are willing to live with such a pedestrian season?
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I think it's been illustrated that he isn't having a pedestrian season and is being hindered by his partner.

You choose to not believe it and thats fine. Doesn't mean that you're right (you aren't.)
 
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Lindgren + Sykora + Rempe for Hanifin
- Extend Hanifin in offseason

2025 1st + Berard + Robertson + 2026 Conditional 4th (becomes 1st is Rangers win Cup this year or next) for Buchnevich at 50%
- Used the McDonagh trade we made to Tampa as framework

Goodrow + Jones + 2024 2nd for Sturm at 75% (1.5 mil)

Panarin Trocheck Laf
Kreider Zib Buch
Cuylle Brodz Kakko
Edstrom Sturm Vesey

Hanifin Fox
Miller Trouba
Gus Schneider

Kakko likely moved in offseason to recoup some picks and open up a spot for Othmann next year. Still would have our 1st this draft, our top prospects, and potentially our 2026 1st unless we won the cup
 
was Sykora actually mentioned in any rumors or did everyone just settle on him as a guy they are fine to jettison because "hey he's supposed to be a pretty OK prospect of ours but I don't care much if he's traded because he's at best a 3rd liner in the NHL but let's hope other teams don't know this"

e: like I'd be his value in any trade for a "good" player is extremely low
 
Alluckks said:
Lindgren + Sykora + Rempe for Hanifin
- Extend Hanifin in offseason

2025 1st + Berard + Robertson + 2026 Conditional 4th (becomes 1st is Rangers win Cup this year or next) for Buchnevich at 50%
- Used the McDonagh trade we made to Tampa as framework

Goodrow + Jones + 2024 2nd for Sturm at 75% (1.5 mil)

Panarin Trocheck Laf
Kreider Zib Buch
Cuylle Brodz Kakko
Edstrom Sturm Vesey

Hanifin Fox
Miller Trouba
Gus Schneider

Kakko likely moved in offseason to recoup some picks and open up a spot for Othmann next year. Still would have our 1st this draft, our top prospects, and potentially our 2026 1st unless we won the cup
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This is a little too EA Sports (especially the Goodrow stuff) but sign me up
 
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Levitate said:
was Sykora actually mentioned in any rumors or did everyone just settle on him as a guy they are fine to jettison because "hey he's supposed to be a pretty OK prospect of ours but I don't care much if he's traded because he's at best a 3rd liner in the NHL but let's hope other teams don't know this"

e: like I'd be his value in any trade for a "good" player is extremely low
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The latter.
 
Levitate said:
was Sykora actually mentioned in any rumors or did everyone just settle on him as a guy they are fine to jettison because "hey he's supposed to be a pretty OK prospect of ours but I don't care much if he's traded because he's at best a 3rd liner in the NHL but let's hope other teams don't know this"

e: like I'd be his value in any trade for a "good" player is extremely low
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Zero rumors about Sykora.

He's not going anywhere.
 
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Levitate said:
I mean i don’t think Miller is an ideal 1LD by any means but pairing him with Fox would mean he doesn’t have to be and then they could focus on a 2nd pair or even bottom pair guy

The big issue is not acknowledging that lindgren is cooked. Getting a 1LD doesn’t matter if the coaches are going to insist on running him out there with Fox (or if Fox is insisting on having him as a partner)

This team needs to get past that. Honestly I think this teams odds to win go up a bit if they just make some lineup changes staring them in the face but they’re far too hooked on “past synergy” and hoping shit will just magically work out again
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That’s why my preferred #1 move is to bring 1LD and essentially force the hand into moves Laviolette wouldn’t make otherwise.
 
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That’s why my preferred #1 move is to bring 1LD and essentially force the hand into moves Laviolette wouldn’t make otherwise.
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yeah I'm kinda having horrible thoughts of trading for Hanafin and then he gets played with Schneider because the Lindgren party can't be broken up
 
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