Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[Harbour Dog]

I think any changes that may be made to our defense corp won't be done until the summer. Better chance that we just grab one middle6 forward, and one bottom6 centre, and call it a day. And if the price to get both of those players includes any of Perreault, Othmann, Berard, or Sykora, then we should settle for just getting one of them.

The reality is that nobody has a clue what will happen once the playoffs start, and nobody has a clue if adding guys will even improve the team at all. The focus should be on maintaining our spot as a top 5ish team in the league for as long as possible. Especially with all the promising youth we have on the roster and in the system, and how easy it is for us to attract big name free agents every single year.

 

[Levitate]

Yeah honestly i think Drury gives no shits about team chemistry or locker room if the team doesn’t get it done when it counts. I can see him cutting bait on a guy like Lindgren or Goodrow in the offseason despite any claims about how good they are in the room or respected. I don’t think Drury is blind to the faults of those guys and if the team can’t get it done then the players don’t get to bitch about their crappy buddies being let go

 

[fm]

Agree. If no third round or better, there's gotta be a shock-the-room move. I think the ten game streak saved it from happening this year. But at a certain point, who cares who worked where in 2020? Rookies are now vets. Guys in their primes are now on the decline. Hell, even leaguewide scoring trends are quite different

 

[bobbop]

Yep. Which is why Trouba and Goodrow will go nowhere this year. Disrupting chemistry can have a massive impact.

Still though, in the off season one or both have to go.

Hard for me to see Goodrow here next year. They will need the $ in other areas.

I think Trouba’s fate comes down to playoff performance. Very hard to trade your captain. The Rangers will be more willing to blow it up if they make a quick exit. Conversely, if they have a long run or win The Cup, I expect they will play it back.

 

[duhmetreE]

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[bobbop]

Id be ok with Vatrano but Henrique is a stiff and a losing player. They also cant stand pat with Igor showing his elite form and Panarin having the best season of his career. Its not an option if Drury wants to keep his job.

Somewhere today Henrique is listening to the Smith/Cerny podcast and his skin is crawling.

 

[Guyute]

Hard for me to see Goodrow here next year. They will need the $ in other areas.

I think Trouba’s fate comes down to playoff performance. Very hard to trade your captain. The Rangers will be more willing to blow it up if they make a quick exit. Conversely, if they have a long run or win The Cup, I expect they will play it back.

Winning makes Drury's job easier. Teams will be interested in Trouba and Goodrow if we win the cup. Use that money to re-sign the younger guys.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Dave Pagnotta TDL views:

 

[Levitate]

Hard for me to see Goodrow here next year. They will need the $ in other areas.

I think Trouba’s fate comes down to playoff performance. Very hard to trade your captain. The Rangers will be more willing to blow it up if they make a quick exit. Conversely, if they have a long run or win The Cup, I expect they will play it back.

Yeah it’s crunch time for this group.

 

[bobbop]

Imagine if kakko was the horse he was supposed to be and you’d have him and laf holding down those two top lines? We’d be Cup favorites.

Kakko back on the top line on paper just looks so good. Instead of having to shop the scrap heap for a rental RW1

We need a 3C and we need a LD1. That’s what we really need.

If he was, he would be making a lot more money than he is.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

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Lol at Lindgren.

Imagine what that would look like if he didn't play most of his minutes with Fox.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Well then I don't know what theory you are saying is crumbling because we agree. No firsts for pure rentals. Make moves for thirds and fourths to shore up your worst holes and move on. You can't upgrade a first line piece that's missing at a trade deadline.

I don't necessarily agree with a first for Jenner but it would at least be easier to stomach.



Drury is going to make mistakes like he has many times already. Oh I know it. He will harm our future ability to win Cups without meaningfully changing our chances for this season, would be my guess.

See. All it took was a bunch of arguing over a few pages of a thread for us to realize that we agree on what we thought we disagreed on.

Lol at Lindgren.

Imagine what that would look like if he didn't play most of his minutes with Fox.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Seeler sucks.

I wish Walker was a lefty. He is a good player.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If we wait, we'll be talking about wasting Panarin's prime like we did Lundqvist's. It's time to load up, my onoy hope is Perrault and Othmann are off limits, and Garand as well because i see him being Shestys replacement if his next contract ask is too high. Lets enjoy the ride, Boston is weaker, Tampa is weaker, Florida is a problem, Carolina and Toronto don't have goalies, lets go get it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If we wait, we'll be talking about wasting Panarin's prime like we did Lundqvist's. It's time to load up, my onoy hope is Perrault and Othmann are off limits, and Garand as well because i see him being Shestys replacement if his next contract ask is too high. Lets enjoy the ride, Boston is weaker, Tampa is weaker, Florida is a problem, Carolina and Toronto don't have goalies, lets go get it.

I'm on board. Even if prices are too high, the Rangers need depth guys. Add a quality depth piece and lets go.

 

[NYR Viper]

Looking at Seattle's roster, is Justin Schultz still any good? Won multiple Cups with PIT and played under Laviolette for a couple years in Washington. 3mil cap hit and a pending UFA. Add him to the list of Kraken guys I like with Eberle, Gourde & Wennberg

Yes he’s good, but RD

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

IIRC Schultz kind of blows now.

It's amazing how RD have become so plentiful in this league. A good RD used to be worth a f*** ton but now its seems like every team has one.

 

[bhamill]

No, it says if he keeps playing how he's played all season he won't be a significant asset in the playoff run, which is true.

You can't ever do a projection based on a ten game sample.

Listen, you can think it's dumb, but all you are doing is coming up with your own sample size, forming a different conclusion, and then saying your projection is better. The chart is at least done with numbers.

I think you just don't like the conclusion.

All season? He's been elite or close to it for a month.

Yes I think it's dumb. Not because of the conclusion about NYR, but because of the methodology. It's the methodology that I think is dumb. They are saying Igor, right now, DIMINISHES our chances at a cup... which is ridiculous, and the reason they arrive at that conclusion is that their methodology is f***ing DUMB. Or "lacking" if you prefer. If your model lists Igor as a substandard goalie that hurts our chances, I'm going to go ahead and say that's a dopey model.

My sample size is the entirety of Igor's career, with a focus on his play as of late. That's what I base my expectations of him on. Their sample size is apparently this season, minus the last month...

Whatever, I maintain it is idiotic. You don't have to like that (just like I don't like their idiocy) but your dislike changes nothing (just like my dislike of this bullshit doesn't change anything they are doing.)

 

[bobbop]

One of the benefits in moving Trouba at some point it that it opens up a more prominent spot for a still improving Schneider.

 

[IDvsEGO]

All season? He's been elite or close to it for a month.

Yes I think it's dumb. Not because of the conclusion about NYR, but because of the methodology. It's the methodology that I think is dumb. They are saying Igor, right now, DIMINISHES our chances at a cup... which is ridiculous, and the reason they arrive at that conclusion is that their methodology is f***ing DUMB. Or "lacking" if you prefer. If your model lists Igor as a substandard goalie that hurts our chances, I'm going to go ahead and say that's a dopey model.

My sample size is the entirety of Igor's career, with a focus on his play as of late. That's what I base my expectations of him on. Their sample size is apparently this season, minus the last month...

Whatever, I maintain it is idiotic. You don't have to like that (just like I don't like their idiocy) but your dislike changes nothing (just like my dislike of this bullshit doesn't change anything they are doing.)

Sure but he slumped hard up until the past few weeks when looking at his entire season compared to his career numbers.

You need a larger sample size to determine the slump is over.

 

[NYR Viper]

One of the benefits in moving Trouba at some point it that it opens up a more prominent spot for a still improving Schneider.

This needs to happen and back fill the 3RD spot with a good veteran on a short term deal

Does anyone think that giving Lindgren and Trouba time off, like a week or two each, would improve their play? I do. Getting another depth d-man would allow for this likely

 

[duhmetreE]

One of the benefits in moving Trouba at some point it that it opens up a more prominent spot for a still improving Schneider.

He's ready for more time/responsibility.... or very close to it.

I wouldn't mind seeing him with KAM either. They've looked good together in the short time they've been together.

Defensive pairs need to be changed. It's been extremely apparent imo

You can bury a Lindgren Trouba pairing at even-strength and let them get their PK/end game duties.

 

[bhamill]

Sure but he slumped hard up until the past few weeks when looking at his entire season compared to his career numbers.

You need a larger sample size to determine the slump is over.

And looking at his career numbers, and his past playoff performances, PLUS his most recent string, if a model lists him as a DETRIMENT to our chances, then that model is f***ing dumb.

My sample size is bigger than theirs, and more logical.

Let me make this easy: Right now, who here actually thinks Igor is a negative for a playoff run this year?

 

[duhmetreE]

Lol at Lindgren.

Imagine what that would look like if he didn't play most of his minutes with Fox.

to show how bad he is at offense, I had to change the Axis to 5, instead of the default 3.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

If the charts say Miller has been good this year, the charts are worthless.