Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[RempireStateBuilding]

I would also say that the league is defending his shot better.

Other teams finally realized when he's holding his stick in the air for 20 seconds straight, that NYR are trying to funnel the puck to him.

 

[UnSandvich]

Zibanejad on PP, last year vs. this year

	Goals/60	Assists/60	IPP (Points/GF)	Shots/60	Shooting %	ixG/60	iHDCF/60	Rebounds Created/60
2022-23	4.17	3.96	82.98%	20.44	20.41	2.8	5.21	2.29
2023-24	2.5	3.64	51.92%	16.14	15.49	2.09	2.73	1.59

 

[bobbop]

If we could lock up Laffy for 5-6 years at 6ish, that'd be great

Might be a little light on years on money but you’re headed in the right direction.

 

[Machinehead]

He’s unspectacular 3C for playoff contender. He’s not an advantage (like Chytil would’ve been IMO) but he’s not a detriment either.

Chytil isn't any better than Wennberg. That's homegrown bias talking.

They're both fine.

 

[noncents]

Chytil isn't any better than Wennberg. That's homegrown bias talking.

They're both fine.

really? but he's so fast and good

 

[Machinehead]

Zibanejad on PP, last year vs. this year

	Goals/60	Assists/60	IPP (Points/GF)	Shots/60	Shooting %	ixG/60	iHDCF/60	Rebounds Created/60
2022-23	4.17	3.96	82.98%	20.44	20.41	2.8	5.21	2.29
2023-24	2.5	3.64	51.92%	16.14	15.49	2.09	2.73	1.59

And if he wasn't doing this and had 90 points while being the same 5v5 player, everyone would ignore it like they always did.

That's why when people talk about waking up Zibanejad I'm like "at 5v5? This is Zibanejad."

Don't get me wrong, if he decides to put up a 90 point pace in the playoffs buoyed by powerplay success, that would be just fine.

 

[kovazub94]

Last year: 20 pp goals and 39 pp points
This year: 11 pp goals and 27 pp points

Zib's PP contribution has always been about his shot. He hasn't been very accurate with his shot this year. If he's not scoring with it, he's not adding anything that someone else couldn't do.

Disagree (to a degree lol). The strength of the PP1 is on the shoulders of Panarin, Fox and Zibanejad moving around / interchanging place and creating lanes for each other. It’s funny that his differences from last season is almost exactly in goals section (with games to go too). This is the discount part I’m referring too - he contributes a lot more than just scoring goals from the left circle.

 

[Machinehead]

really? but he's so fast and good

So is Wennberg.

I find both to be spectacular at nothing and also terrible at nothing.

I also find the whole "is this X on a Cup contender" at every position to be a pointless discussion.

Chicago's entire dynasty happened without a 2C or really a 3C. I mean Jesus Christ, Toews and 4th liners every year. They also had a 1RW who didn't play in two zones; we found that out.

It worked for them because every team is different and every league environment they're playing in is different.

 

[noncents]

So is Wennberg.

I find both to be spectacular at nothing and also terrible at nothing.

I also find the whole "is this X on a Cup contender" at every position to be a pointless discussion.

Chicago's entire dynasty happened without a 2C or really a 3C. I mean Jesus Christ, Toews and 4th liners every year. They also had a 1RW who didn't play in two zones; we found that out.

It worked for them because every team is different and every league environment they're playing in is different.

i get what you're saying, but to essentially hand wave away all discussion of potential results isn't as interesting to me.

I think Chytil has certain elements to his game that Wennberg doesn't: a high quality shot and willingness to shoot namely.

They're both effective on board battles but where Chytil is more physically powerful, Wennberg to me makes use of elite defensive stick work a la 93.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Kakko Wennberg pair develop chemistry in the O zone. Kakko definitely caught Wennberg off guard with that net mouth pass last game - i like wennbergs o zone positioning and think he has the IQ to find space: Whether they will consistently create scoring opportunities from possession is going to be key in the postseason.

 

[Machinehead]

To add to that point, Chicago worked because they were like the Golden State Warriors. They were doing the new thing before the league changed.

Offense matters more than defense (sorry, it does) and the Hawks were playing in 2013 like everyone plays now.

Also, Jonathan Toews doesn't get enough credit. The first half of his career is underrated.

The Penguins solidified the revolution with the brilliant concept of "hey instead of having a bunch of grinders because we already have Crosby and Malkin, let's get a bunch more speed and skill because we have Crosby and Malkin."

Back to back Cups later, that franchise probably still didn't win as much as it should have.

You know your speed and skill revolution is strong when it survives the 2019 Blues being horseshit at everything.

That's why I'm not concerned with mimicking. I'd rather innovate something if possible.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

To add to that point, Chicago worked because they were like the Golden State Warriors. They were doing the new thing before the league changed.

Offense matters more than defense (sorry, it does) and the Hawks were playing in 2013 like everyone plays now.

Also, Jonathan Toews doesn't get enough credit. The first half of his career is underrated.

The Penguins solidified the revolution with the brilliant concept of "hey instead of having a bunch of grinders because we already have Crosby and Malkin, let's get a bunch more speed and skill because we have Crosby and Malkin."

Back to back Cups later, that franchise probably still didn't win as much as it should have.

You know your speed and skill revolution is strong when it survives the 2019 Blues being horseshit at everything.

That's why I'm not concerned with mimicking. I'd rather innovate something if possible.

Rangers

Innovate


Pick one

 

[noncents]

To add to that point, Chicago worked because they were like the Golden State Warriors. They were doing the new thing before the league changed.

Offense matters more than defense (sorry, it does) and the Hawks were playing in 2013 like everyone plays now.

Also, Jonathan Toews doesn't get enough credit. The first half of his career is underrated.

The Penguins solidified the revolution with the brilliant concept of "hey instead of having a bunch of grinders because we already have Crosby and Malkin, let's get a bunch more speed and skill because we have Crosby and Malkin."

Back to back Cups later, that franchise probably still didn't win as much as it should have.

You know your speed and skill revolution is strong when it survives the 2019 Blues being horseshit at everything.

That's why I'm not concerned with mimicking. I'd rather innovate something if possible.

well, as rob luker points out, the NYR path to success is indeed a zag from the puck possession zig. Tread water at even strength, win with goaltending and special teams.

 

[Machinehead]

well, as rob luker points out, the NYR path to success is indeed a zag from the puck possession zig. Tread water at even strength, win with goaltending and special teams.

Somebody actually winning the Cup that way would certainly be innovative

Not impossible, though.

The 2018 Caps couldn't tie their skates at even strength.

The 2017 Pens were pretty good in the regular season but they got rocked in two of their playoff series. Holtby and Rinne both lifted them up with nuclear meltdowns in goal.

Funny thing about the 2018 Caps is that they were amazing the year before. Probably even better in 2010. The absolute worst contending team they had in Ovechkin's career is the team that won the Cup.

Nothing matters. Just entertain yourself and hope the team gets hot.

 

[Machinehead]

We're trying to do a reverse Vegas.

Vegas bucked the trend by successfully ignoring quantity to control quality.

Not too many of the ton of shots they gave up bounced in. Ability? Yes. Luck? Probably also yes.

We're actually not bad at all in shot differential. The shots we give up are disproportionately high-danger rush chances.

If you believe Valiquette, a factor is that we focus on cutting off the royal road so much that we'll just let you skate right to the net if you do it straight.

The other factor is that Trouba tried to hit you and missed about 30 feet back.

 

[Alluckks]

This means nothing really

 

[redwhiteandblue]

If we could lock up Laffy for 5-6 years at 6ish, that'd be great

Might be a little light on years on money but you’re headed in the right direction.

This is your new Cup Window starting mid-June if that's the case.

Might be reading the tea leaves a little ahead, but I don't see why Art is not still fringe elite-fringe all star level after this contract is up. I also don't see why he would want to go anywhere else and would maybe even take a friendly deal at that point.

I keep saying this, but I have no idea what that dude Lazarus was saying that our Cup window is so direly over after this year. What?

 

[IDvsEGO]

This is your new Cup Window starting mid-June if that's the case.

Might be reading the tea leaves a little ahead, but I don't see why Art is not still fringe elite-fringe all star level after this contract is up. I also don't see why he would want to go anywhere else and would maybe even take a friendly deal at that point.

I keep saying this, but I have no idea what that dude Lazarus was saying that our Cup window is so direly over after this year. What?

The Shesty contract is gonna be the stumbling block.

 

[kovazub94]

Chytil isn't any better than Wennberg. That's homegrown bias talking.

They're both fine.

Way off base IMO but you’re entitled to an opinion. Just like your preference of facing TBL in the first round over whoever’s the turtle race winner.

 

[Machinehead]

Way off base IMO but you’re entitled to an opinion. Just like your preference of facing TBL in the first round over whoever’s the turtle race winner.

Yeah, good luck with the turtle that has three top 50 players of all-time.

So f***ing weird to be afraid of Tampa and not bat an eye at Pittsburgh.

 

[bernmeister]

when it comes to PP time and space, the threat of the shot is itself hugely important. ...

Not when it is his go to 90% of the time, and op is ready for it
like every friggen time

Way off base IMO but you’re entitled to an opinion. ....

healthy Chytil >> if not >>> Wen

 

[bobbop]

This is your new Cup Window starting mid-June if that's the case.

Might be reading the tea leaves a little ahead, but I don't see why Art is not still fringe elite-fringe all star level after this contract is up. I also don't see why he would want to go anywhere else and would maybe even take a friendly deal at that point.

I keep saying this, but I have no idea what that dude Lazarus was saying that our Cup window is so direly over after this year. What?

Lafreniere is three years away from UFA but custom with top players is to extend them with one year to run. Lafreniere has earned a long and lucrative extension. It won’t get any cheaper if he has another excellent year.

Igor is a little different. He would be one year away from UFA. Again, the custom is get him signed or trade him. Unless he shits the bed in the playoffs, he won’t be traded. The Rangers don’t have a replacement anywhere in sight.

The Cup window will stay wide open as long as Fox, Igor, Miller, Schneider and some of the veteran forwards are around. The forward group will evolve while the back end is set up for years to come.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah, good luck with the turtle that has three top 50 players of all-time.

So f***ing weird to be afraid of Tampa and not bat an eye at Pittsburgh.

Pens would be (distant) next.

 

[Savant]

Yeah, good luck with the turtle that has three top 50 players of all-time.

So f***ing weird to be afraid of Tampa and not bat an eye at Pittsburgh.

Everyone is afraid because everyone senses a first round KO

 

[Machinehead]

Everyone is afraid because everyone senses a first round KO

Because everyone thinks it's 2020.

 

[noncents]

3rd line playing heavy possession and 4th line creating havoc and turning pucks over is what cup teams bottom 6ers do.