Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[HockeyBasedNYC]

no, it is not fine


I do not want to face Tampa. They have our #. I've seen this team just fall apart against them. Want nothing to do with it.

Give me Philly or Detroit all day

Is there any chance that Washington takes that 3 spot in the division? OR even the 2nd wildcard?

Just realized they are 3 points back on PHI with two games in hand. 1 point back of DET with 2 games in hand

 

[RangersFan1994]

Kreider's played 800 games and people still want to change him He is what he is. A net front presence, goal scorer. 2nd most goals for a Ranger in 800 games. Good salary for his production. But still the complaining

Most importantly, he shows up in the playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

Kreider's played 800 games and people still want to change him He is what he is. A net front presence, goal scorer. 2nd most goals for a Ranger in 800 games. Good salary for his production. But still the complaining

And like, it would be one thing if it were a serious weakness and you could say he'd be a better player if he did this other thing.

I don't think he can be a better player.

You know how many players (3000 mins played minimum) have a better 5v5 goal differential since Kreider entered the league? Twenty-six.

He ranks just ahead of *checks notes* NATHAN MACKINNON!!

It looks even better when you adjust for the fact that a fistful of those 26 play for Boston. Take them out and here's the list:

Robertson
Makar
Verhaeghe
Matthews
Kunitz
Nichuhskin
Crosby
Palat
Tkahuck (you know which one)
Datsyuk
Fox
D. Toews
Kucherov
Pavelski
Hossa
Panarin
Crosby
Hintz
Soucy
Marner
Kreider

This is a list of elite players, guys who played exclusively with elite players, and also Carson Soucy.

Hitting more is not moving Kreider up this list. The only way he could be any better is to just literally be better than he is.

 

[HolyHagelin]

People getting mad with Kreider kills me. Like, did you expect him to suddenly score 50 every year?

The guy has been a thoroughbred for this franchise, and we are going to miss him badly when he is gone.

 

[Rangers in 7]

People getting mad with Kreider kills me. Like, did you expect him to suddenly score 50 every year?

The guy has been a thoroughbred for this franchise, and we are going to miss him badly when he is gone.

no but i also expect him not to suck ass consistently, last nights loss was solely on him....he was absolutely terrible

 

[HolyHagelin]

no but i also expect him not to suck ass consistently, last nights loss was solely on him....he was absolutely terrible

So he had a tough game. What player has not?

Does he get credit for one of the best 3-season goal scoring stretches in team history? How about all the game winners, first goals, etc?

A proven performer having a bad game should not be a reason to advocate blasting the guy into the sun, which is what a ton of this thread is.

Wayne Gretzky had a series clinching turnover in the 96 playoffs, literally every player has bad moments that cost their team games.

 

[LeetchisGod]

You guys are buggin.

I would much rather face Tampa than Philly.

It's not 2021 anymore.

Philly doesn't have a top end player on their entire roster. I'll take my chances.

 

[apoptygma]

To some extent, the window is what we make it [to be].
If we retain few vets only as necessary [e.g., Kreider, Fox] and intentionally do constant youth, upgrading youth in the process, then not unlike a perpetual motion machine, your 'window' is always open.
That is factually true, objectively, to the extent that having less expensive youth allows more input [and less deadwood] on yr roster, and that you better manage the cap.

I concede it is not easy, b'c you have to regularly draft well, and with success, you draft higher in the order = lower chance of hitting greater talent, at least theoretically.
But that is still smarter than the win now approach we have seen which = useless rentals = epic fail.

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As for Rempe, he may never be an elite superstar, but I think it is premature to write him off from any hope of star level achievement.
Obv, he has size, reach and strength, and all that comes with it, no more no less.
He has good not great no probs there skating. If he works with specialists he may never turn into Kreider, but what they did w/LaF, who was a worse skater when he first got here, suggests only uptick there.
The x factor is goal scoring,

I'd love to see him do Kerr or LeClair imitation and give Kreider a break on PP tip ins, Chris has been getting beat up in the process.

In thery I agree with you. If I was a GM for life in a NHL org. I would never pay anymore then a 3. rounder for a rental, and never let any decent player walk as a UFA (unless my team was a top 5 team and the player had low trade value at the deadline).

Drafting is always going up and down, so at times the team just would be worse, and that might cost a GM his job, so they will gamble the future away to keep their job for now.

I believe being a good playoff team from 2022 to 2028 is a good return for a short rebuild NYR did from 2018 to 2021. So I reccon the ownership would accept another rebuild at that time. Just do not get stuck in a limbo like the dark ages or some teams have done the last 10 years.

 

[Fitzy]

Kreider knows better than to give 100% in every random regular season game when he has been witness to a myriad of rosters running out of gas partway into the postseason.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

NYR trying every defense pair except Fox Miller

 

[bl02]

Philly doesn't have a top end player on their entire roster. I'll take my chances.

Whoever we play we play but not sure how anyone can say the flyers will be a bigger threat. Their defense is being held together by duct tape.
They are gonna have to run Ersson into the ground these last 13 games for them to hold on to the 3rd spot in the metro. They do have some nice offensive talent (konecny is a beast) but still.
Not to mention the flyers pp percentage is one of the worst in hockey while basically you won't be able to take a penalty vs Tampa.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Philly doesn't have a top end player on their entire roster. I'll take my chances.

They also don’t have the same tier of goalie that Tampa has.
That being said, Tampa has just enough talent to get hot and win a series.
The flyers will play tight games, but no one who could dominate a series.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You guys are buggin.

I would much rather face Tampa than Philly.

It's not 2021 anymore.

It's Philly not Carolina. Why would you prefer Tampa as far as they are from 2021. They still have Kucherov and Point.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd really like to see a FLA-TB first round. Just from a viewing perspective

 

[bernmeister]

In thery I agree with you. If I was a GM for life in a NHL org. I would never pay anymore then a 3. rounder for a rental, and never let any decent player walk as a UFA (unless my team was a top 5 team and the player had low trade value at the deadline).

Drafting is always going up and down, so at times the team just would be worse, and that might cost a GM his job, so they will gamble the future away to keep their job for now.

I believe being a good playoff team from 2022 to 2028 is a good return for a short rebuild NYR did from 2018 to 2021. So I reccon the ownership would accept another rebuild at that time. Just do not get stuck in a limbo like the dark ages or some teams have done the last 10 years.

General agree, but w/proviso that b'c win now = unavoidable cost of stealing from future assets, which = increased likeliness of set up to fail then, any win now, notwithstanding that every individual deal must each be considered on merits, needs to be an exception to the rule. In other words, a win now must be considered SO EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD that the immediate benefit overcomes that the future assets costs is to some extent residual, and ongoing.

 

[tlk]

I would much rather face Tampa than Philly.

It's not 2021 anymore.

now that's a hot take.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

I can see both sides of the argument for how to seed for playoffs. Personally, it has flaws but I like seeing a guaranteed playoff showdown between big rivals, even if in Round 1.

Hockey in the Southeast is very strong, but these yearly showdowns for the Cup are going to only strengthen the local ties.

 

[zlev]

id rather face Philly than Tampa solely because of the goalie situation of both teams

 

[Machinehead]

It's Philly not Carolina. Why would you prefer Tampa as far as they are from 2021. They still have Kucherov and Point.

They have Kucherov and Point and that's about it.

They'll also have Hedman playing half the game who is currently one of the worst defenders in the league.

They're just not a very good team and they do nothing to exploit what we're bad at. Everyone is just overreacting to one big game by Point. We looked good against Tampa the two times before that.

Philly designs their whole game around what we're bad at. We have multiple defensemen who can't handle a forecheck at all, and all they do is forecheck. The whole series would be played in our zone.

They're similar to Carolina except Carolina wilts when it's close. Brind'Amour is fake. I don't think a Torts team would wilt.

 

[duhmetreE]

Is there any chance that Washington takes that 3 spot in the division? OR even the 2nd wildcard?

Just realized they are 3 points back on PHI with two games in hand. 1 point back of DET with 2 games in hand

all those options are better than Tampa.

 

[eco's bones]

Chmelar has signed.

 

[bl02]

Is there any chance that Washington takes that 3 spot in the division? OR even the 2nd wildcard?

Just realized they are 3 points back on PHI with two games in hand. 1 point back of DET with 2 games in hand

Just based on watching the games Washington seems like the most "stable" and consistent of all those teams trying to grab basically the final 2 spots.
The reason for that is that they play pretty hard/ good coach and their goaltender has been fantastic (LINDGREN that is not Darcy).
Philly plays hard and has a good coach but they are gonna run their goalie into the ground (they kind of have to at this point).
And over the last two weeks have not seen a team play as badly as Detroit has played. They should have lost again last night against a bottom feeder.
Basicaly all the teams below TB points wise are pretty mediocre and that's being nice.

 

[DanielBrassard]

They have Kucherov and Point and that's about it.

They'll also have Hedman playing half the game who is currently one of the worst defenders in the league.

They're just not a very good team and they do nothing to exploit what we're bad at. Everyone is just overreacting to one big game by Point. We looked good against Tampa the two times before that.

Philly designs their whole game around what we're bad at. We have multiple defensemen who can't handle a forecheck at all, and all they do is forecheck. The whole series would be played in our zone.

They're similar to Carolina except Carolina wilts when it's close. Brind'Amour is fake. I don't think a Torts team would wilt.

All they need is Kucherov and Point, plus their PP. When you have a line like Hagel-Point-Kucherov that can take over games very easily it's a matchup nightmare and I'd prefer to play against a team that isn't built that way. I understand where you are coming from but I would prefer not to face them for that reason alone.

 

[Mike in Houston]

At practice today.

Kreider - Zib - Roslovic
Panarin - Trocheck - Laf
Cuylle - Wennberg - Kakko
Vesey - Goodrow - Rempe

Gustafsson - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Jones - Ruhwedel

Why is Brodzinski getting scratched when it should be that bum Kreider?

 

[IDvsEGO]

At practice today.

Kreider - Zib - Roslovic
Panarin - Trocheck - Laf
Cuylle - Wennberg - Kakko
Vesey - Goodrow - Rempe

Gustafsson - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Jones - Ruhwedel

Why is Brodzinski getting scratched when it should be that bum Kreider?

Because lavi isn’t tort?