Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[Alluckks]

I always wondered if Drury was Sathers little snitch boy and took the job of the guy he snitched on. Seems Gorton may think so, any sources?

I don't know anything about snitching, but I am relatively certain that Sather asked Drury if he could do it better and what he would do different and Drury replied, yes I can, and a lot.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't know anything about snitching, but I am relatively certain that Sather asked Drury if he could do it better and what he would do different and Drury replied, yes I can, and a lot.

Which may not have been inaccurate.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I have to be honest he is on my shit list! Think he plays like a dog, doesn't skate hard and never plays the body. I think if he ever just let loose and played balls to the wall the sky would be the limit but he takes too many shifts/ periods/games off. It just looks like he floating in space sometimes out there on the ice. He is the most infuriating player to me on the Rangers! Not a Kreider fan at all

I don't understand why people keep complaining about this. He's been this way ever since the Carey Price incident and has shown no inclination to change.

 

[kovazub94]

Blessing in Disguise if Lindy can come back the last week of the season fresh and not banged up.
Plus, with him and Trouba out for a bit, Schneider, Jones and Ruhw will all get lots of reps. Good preperation for the playoffs.

I didn't see it explicitly stated but I guess the concern is that Lindgren's recovery goes beyond the start of the playoffs.

 

[Alluckks]

wow that's interesting. thought he'd be there for at least another year.

he absolutely already has a pro-frame though, maybe they saw something there.

It sounds too simple, but there is something to the organization game plan of get the big boys to AHL to learn skating and defense sooner rather than later

 

[SA16]

It sounds too simple, but there is something to the organization game plan of get the big boys to AHL to learn skating and defense sooner rather than later

Makes sense. Same as Kakko. They want to ruin any semblance of offense and turn them all into defensive specialists.

 

[leetch99]

I have to be honest he is on my shit list! Think he plays like a dog, doesn't skate hard and never plays the body. I think if he ever just let loose and played balls to the wall the sky would be the limit but he takes too many shifts/ periods/games off. It just looks like he floating in space sometimes out there on the ice. He is the most infuriating player to me on the Rangers! Not a Kreider fan at all

If Kreider can raise his compete level at even strength in the playoffs and plays like he is FULLY capable of in the more physical contested playoffs.....I take him off any list of ill regard . He is more than capable of setting the pace for this club every game with a huge hit .....but we just never see it . He can do that as he has done so in the past . The playoffs call for every player to step out of their comfort zone and go over and above regular season play . PPG's are nice.....but the tone setting physical play would certainly be a bonus from all our big boys...especially the ones built like a Sherman tank .

 

[Levitate]

He's never gonna do that. He never really has. He's never been a big hit kind of player and his use of his physical talents have been that he skates fast in a straight line and he's difficult to dislodge from the front of the net.

My hope is that he displays more urgency on the forecheck and in cycling the puck but at some point you have to accept him for what he is and stop expecting him to be something he never was

 

[kovazub94]

wow that's interesting. thought he'd be there for at least another year.

he absolutely already has a pro-frame though, maybe they saw something there.

Surprised. Along with Lamb, I thought Chmelar was staying for at least another year. Interested to see what happens with the other college guys

Honestly not that surprised. Prior to his injury I was even more certain of him signing a contract after his season. The Rangers have always wanted to get their prospects in the fold sooner than later. He’s got the physical attributes. And he’s not coming from the prominent collegiate program like BC, BU or Wisconsin so accolades of something like a conference or National championship was never a part of the equation. The same applies to Laba by the way.

 

[kovazub94]

He's never gonna do that. He never really has. He's never been a big hit kind of player and his use of his physical talents have been that he skates fast in a straight line and he's difficult to dislodge from the front of the net.

My hope is that he displays more urgency on the forecheck and in cycling the puck but at some point you have to accept him for what he is and stop expecting him to be something he never was

I agree in general but just wanted to comment on “never”. Early in his career he showed some inclination for more physical game but after his hit and suspension (?) on Tyutin I believe and Price incident later,
I think he autocorrected his approach and maybe a bit too much.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The discussion about Kreider, I mean i always want more effort but if you look at what he brings as a return on investment we're getting our money's worth from his contract. It would be nice if he skated like he could most nights but even if he doesn't we're getting our moneys worth, can't say that about all our contracts. Imo we'll see more in playoffs from him.

 

[E-Train]

Honestly not that surprised. Prior to his injury I was even more certain of him signing a contract after his season. The Rangers have always wanted to get their prospects in the fold sooner than later. He’s got the physical attributes. And he’s not coming from the prominent collegiate program like BC, BU or Wisconsin so accolades of something like a conference or National championship was never a part of the equation. The same applies to Laba by the way.

I was figuring they’d give him another year in Providence because of the injury. He wasn’t putting up points like he was prior.

Thought Laba would be signed first after his performance this season. PPG at a good program seems like a point to step up the competition. Don’t see the need to stay another year, let alone two more

 

[kovazub94]

I was figuring they’d give him another year in Providence because of the injury. He wasn’t putting up point like he was prior.

Thought Laba would be signed first after his performance this season. PPG at a good program seems like a point to step up the competition. Don’t see the need to stay another year, let alone two more

As I said I don’t see Laba staying another year either. They might be just ironing out some contract details.

 

[bobbop]

Right wing. Always in demand around here

 

[Savant]

wow that's interesting. thought he'd be there for at least another year.

he absolutely already has a pro-frame though, maybe they saw something there.

Getting him far away from the Providence coaching staff

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Lindgren at 4-5 years at a price under $5M is fine. They can always move that deal later if needed.

 

[bhamill]

I didn't see it explicitly stated but I guess the concern is that Lindgren's recovery goes beyond the start of the playoffs.

They seem to think a few weeks, but that is why I said “if.” … Ya never know.

 

[apoptygma]

About Lindgren vs. Hanifin. A Hanifin contract might be an anchor in year 5-7, but will our window still be open at that time?

We have that "2. wave" of players from the rebuilding years comming in now, but while it is a lot of players with a NHL future there is not much of top 6 forwards or top pairing defencemen there.
If the front office is looking on the 3-4 next years as the period to go for it get the better player for the short time in Hanifin and get some more assets from a Lindgren trade for the push the next few years.

The last few years have showed that a rebuild can work in the New York market, heck the biggest fan favourite for the moment is a young kid that never will be a star forward. The fans loves young homegrown kids more then faded stars. Go for it the next few years, then do a proper rebuild again. New York can always draw in the best UFA's for mostly fair prices. It feels that finally the front office have a working plan for drafting and developing players.

 

[bernmeister]

About Lindgren vs. Hanifin. A Hanifin contract might be an anchor in year 5-7, but will our window still be open at that time?

We have that "2. wave" of players from the rebuilding years comming in now, but while it is a lot of players with a NHL future there is not much of top 6 forwards or top pairing defencemen there.
If the front office is looking on the 3-4 next years as the period to go for it get the better player for the short time in Hanifin and get some more assets from a Lindgren trade for the push the next few years.

The last few years have showed that a rebuild can work in the New York market, heck the biggest fan favourite for the moment is a young kid that never will be a star forward. The fans loves young homegrown kids more then faded stars. Go for it the next few years, then do a proper rebuild again. New York can always draw in the best UFA's for mostly fair prices. It feels that finally the front office have a working plan for drafting and developing players.

To some extent, the window is what we make it [to be].
If we retain few vets only as necessary [e.g., Kreider, Fox] and intentionally do constant youth, upgrading youth in the process, then not unlike a perpetual motion machine, your 'window' is always open.
That is factually true, objectively, to the extent that having less expensive youth allows more input [and less deadwood] on yr roster, and that you better manage the cap.

I concede it is not easy, b'c you have to regularly draft well, and with success, you draft higher in the order = lower chance of hitting greater talent, at least theoretically.
But that is still smarter than the win now approach we have seen which = useless rentals = epic fail.

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As for Rempe, he may never be an elite superstar, but I think it is premature to write him off from any hope of star level achievement.
Obv, he has size, reach and strength, and all that comes with it, no more no less.
He has good not great no probs there skating. If he works with specialists he may never turn into Kreider, but what they did w/LaF, who was a worse skater when he first got here, suggests only uptick there.
The x factor is goal scoring,

I'd love to see him do Kerr or LeClair imitation and give Kreider a break on PP tip ins, Chris has been getting beat up in the process.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Hate to pick your poison, but I'm wondering if a Flyers matchup would be better than a Det or TB in the first round.

Better than TB for sure.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Hate to pick your poison, but I'm wondering if a Flyers matchup would be better than a Det or TB in the first round.

Better than TB for sure.

Tampa has the high end talent and championship pedigree. I would avoid them at all costs. Detroit is as mediocre as it gets. They don't scare me at all.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lindgren at 4-5 years at a price under $5M is fine. They can always move that deal later if needed.

no, it is not fine

Hate to pick your poison, but I'm wondering if a Flyers matchup would be better than a Det or TB in the first round.

Better than TB for sure.

I do not want to face Tampa. They have our #. I've seen this team just fall apart against them. Want nothing to do with it.

Give me Philly or Detroit all day

 

[TominNC]

He's never gonna do that. He never really has. He's never been a big hit kind of player and his use of his physical talents have been that he skates fast in a straight line and he's difficult to dislodge from the front of the net.

My hope is that he displays more urgency on the forecheck and in cycling the puck but at some point you have to accept him for what he is and stop expecting him to be something he never was

Kreider's played 800 games and people still want to change him He is what he is. A net front presence, goal scorer. 2nd most goals for a Ranger in 800 games. Good salary for his production. But still the complaining

 

[Machinehead]

You guys are buggin.

I would much rather face Tampa than Philly.

It's not 2021 anymore.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Kreider's played 800 games and people still want to change him He is what he is. A net front presence, goal scorer. 2nd most goals for a Ranger in 800 games. Good salary for his production. But still the complaining

Thank you!