Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[IDvsEGO]

Stats are so weird and sometimes misleading. I know a lot of people have been down on CK but points/assists wise he is actually having one of his best seasons.

Because most of us realize there’s more to the game than just points and assists?
If you get an assist in a 6-3 loss, is it as meaningful as the assist on the gw goal in a 1-0 game?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Because most of us realize there’s more to the game than just points and assists?
If you get an assist in a 6-3 loss, is it as meaningful as the assist on the gw goal in a 1-0 game?

I just found the dichotomy interesting since so many people are so interested in points. I would say CK in his younger years was a much better player than his point totals implied and now he may not be as good a player as his point totals imply. As far as your question goes I'm sure there are many ways to answer that but since winning is the ultimate stat it would have much more weight.

 

[SA16]

Because most of us realize there’s more to the game than just points and assists?
If you get an assist in a 6-3 loss, is it as meaningful as the assist on the gw goal in a 1-0 game?

That is impossible to say. Was the assist in the 6-3 loss to give the team a 3-2 lead? Was the assist on the gwg in the 1-0 game in the first minute of the game? Are we therefore giving more/less credit to the assist because of the teams defense and goaltending for the remaninder of the game?

 

[Overcast]

Because most of us realize there’s more to the game than just points and assists?
If you get an assist in a 6-3 loss, is it as meaningful as the assist on the gw goal in a 1-0 game?

If you get an assist on the go-ahead goal to put your team up 3-2 say going into the 3rd but lose 6-3, does that invalidate the value of the assist? Does that have the same value as an assist where someone dumps the puck in and immediately goes for a line change and a teammate scores by themselves?

 

[IDvsEGO]

If you get an assist on the go-ahead goal to put your team up 3-2 say going into the 3rd but lose 6-3, does that invalidate the value of the assist? Does that have the same value as an assist where someone dumps the puck in and immediately goes for a line change and a teammate scores by themselves?

It doesn’t invalidate it, and id say lead change points are move valuable and should be weighted higher than a point when in a lopsided effort.
As to the second example, those should be statistically meaningless.

 

[Ben Grimm]

1. Sam Reinhart
Age on July 1: 28
Position: Right wing
2023-24 salary cap hit: $6.5 million

2. Jake Guentzel
Age on July 1: 29
Position: Left wing / Right wing
2023-24 salary cap hit: $6 million

3. Brandon Montour
Age on July 1: 30
Position: Defence
2023-24 salary cap hit: $3.5 million

4. Elias Lindholm
Age on July 1: 29
Position: Centre
2023-24 salary cap hit: $4.85 million

5. Noah Hanifin
Age on July 1: 27
Position: Defence
2023-24 salary cap hit: $4.95 million

6. Steven Stamkos
Age on July 1: 34
Position: Left wing / Centre
2023-24 salary cap hit: $8.5 million

7. Jonathan Marchessault
Age on July 1: 33
Position: Right wing / Left wing
2023-24 salary cap hit: $5 million

8. Matt Duchene
Age on July 1: 33
Position: Centre / Right wing
2023-24 salary cap hit: $3 million

9. Brett Pesce
Age on July 1: 29
Position: Defence
2023-24 salary cap hit: $4.025 million

10. Teuvo Teravainen
Age on July 1: 29
Position: Left wing / Right wing
2023-24 salary cap hit: $5.4 million

11. Tyler Toffoli
Age on July 1: 32
Position: Right wing / Left wing
2023-24 salary cap hit: $4.25 million

12. Dylan DeMelo
Age on July 1: 31
Position: Defence
2023-24 salary cap hit: $3 million

 

[Atax]

Unless we move Trouba, Goodrow, and or Mika do we even have any cap space next season?

 

[bernmeister]

this is a good thread idea, get ahead of the curve on possibles who only cost $$, presuming...

Unless we move Trouba, Goodrow, and or Mika do we even have any cap space next season?

... presuming this^.

 

[bernmeister]

to create space generally, and possibly for ufa stopgaps,

sell high LaF
LaF + Perreault + Lindgren + Rs 2024 4th
for
Slaf, Reinbacher, Barron + WPG 2024 1st

next season is end of Slaf elc, so small tactical add on cap vs paying LaF more sooner than later.
Barron fits NY need for RD asap
Slaf has tools to maybe be Kreider lite
Reinbacher like Per is 2-ish yrs away, but fits greater need for us
late 1st is helpful, bridges dif betw LaF potential + Sla

Habs get W who is emerging stud
excellent prospect
these 2 = great marketing
Lindgren = useful/can get 2nd/+ for him
+ a pick

 

[rangersfansince08]

to create space generally, and possibly for ufa stopgaps,

sell high LaF
LaF + Perreault + Lindgren + Rs 2024 4th
for
Slaf, Reinbacher, Barron + WPG 2024 1st

next season is end of Slaf elc, so small tactical add on cap vs paying LaF more sooner than later.
Barron fits NY need for RD asap
Slaf has tools to maybe be Kreider lite
Reinbacher like Per is 2-ish yrs away, but fits greater need for us
late 1st is helpful, bridges dif betw LaF potential + Sla

Habs get W who is emerging stud
excellent prospect
these 2 = great marketing
Lindgren = useful/can get 2nd/+ for him
+ a pick

Your posts keep getting worse and worse

 

[QJL]

to create space generally, and possibly for ufa stopgaps,

sell high LaF
LaF + Perreault + Lindgren + Rs 2024 4th
for
Slaf, Reinbacher, Barron + WPG 2024 1st

next season is end of Slaf elc, so small tactical add on cap vs paying LaF more sooner than later.
Barron fits NY need for RD asap
Slaf has tools to maybe be Kreider lite
Reinbacher like Per is 2-ish yrs away, but fits greater need for us
late 1st is helpful, bridges dif betw LaF potential + Sla

Habs get W who is emerging stud
excellent prospect
these 2 = great marketing
Lindgren = useful/can get 2nd/+ for him
+ a pick

Bern, are you watching the Rangers this season? Following Perreault?

 

[SA16]

no no no no no no no no no

we cannot trade perreault or LaF

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Perrault is the bluest of blue chip

 

[The Crypto Guy]

to create space generally, and possibly for ufa stopgaps,

sell high LaF
LaF + Perreault + Lindgren + Rs 2024 4th
for
Slaf, Reinbacher, Barron + WPG 2024 1st

next season is end of Slaf elc, so small tactical add on cap vs paying LaF more sooner than later.
Barron fits NY need for RD asap
Slaf has tools to maybe be Kreider lite
Reinbacher like Per is 2-ish yrs away, but fits greater need for us
late 1st is helpful, bridges dif betw LaF potential + Sla

Habs get W who is emerging stud
excellent prospect
these 2 = great marketing
Lindgren = useful/can get 2nd/+ for him
+ a pick

Even for you this is brutal.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Even for you this is brutal.

he has had crazier posts. who can forget boo nieves at 1c? at some point we should all just ignore him and his ramblings

 

[bernmeister]

Your posts keep getting worse and worse

that's your op and you are entitled to it even if there is a basis to view it as wrong

 

[bernmeister]

no no no no no no no no no

we cannot trade perreault or LaF

I am open to fair discussion w/an open mind.

Reinbacher a 5oa righty RD for Per, who would go higher in a redraft, is balanced; we get a better skater and possibly Brian Leetch lite there. So ok, as to personal pref, but I don't view that as wrong esp since RD is short everywhere incl here.

We should also sell high on LaF.
if Lindy has 2nd value then
LaF for Slaf and we win on pick + RD Barron now
Rs are not shortchanged there either

 

[bernmeister]

he has had crazier posts. who can forget boo nieves at 1c? at some point we should all just ignore him and his ramblings

Nieves as pivot betw Kreid + Zib, given they were top line then, making Boo effectivive 1C, was not crazy.
We are seeing Zib is inconsistent at pivot
NO reason for Rs mgmt not at least experiment
their stubbornness to try to do so = fail

Bern, are you watching the Rangers this season? Following Perreault?

yes, yes I am
you have to shoot to get ahead of the curve
if cup is ultimate goal and it is all or nothing
finishing close does not count
then building to help now but get ahead going forward is arguably necessary

 

[PuckLuck3043]

to create space generally, and possibly for ufa stopgaps,

sell high LaF
LaF + Perreault + Lindgren + Rs 2024 4th
for
Slaf, Reinbacher, Barron + WPG 2024 1st

next season is end of Slaf elc, so small tactical add on cap vs paying LaF more sooner than later.
Barron fits NY need for RD asap
Slaf has tools to maybe be Kreider lite
Reinbacher like Per is 2-ish yrs away, but fits greater need for us
late 1st is helpful, bridges dif betw LaF potential + Sla

Habs get W who is emerging stud
excellent prospect
these 2 = great marketing
Lindgren = useful/can get 2nd/+ for him
+ a pick

There are still 2 weeks until April fools Bern.

 

[Savant]

I am open to fair discussion w/an open mind.

We should also sell high on LaF.

Can you please elaborate on how this is selling high on Lafreniere?

Do you expect him to not be able to put these numbers up again? He’s finally in the top six, he’s found a home on a line and he still isn’t sniffing PP time.

i don’t want to get into the offer; but I do not understand why you think this is the right time to sell on Lafreniere.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

to create space generally, and possibly for ufa stopgaps,

sell high LaF
LaF + Perreault + Lindgren + Rs 2024 4th
for
Slaf, Reinbacher, Barron + WPG 2024 1st

next season is end of Slaf elc, so small tactical add on cap vs paying LaF more sooner than later.
Barron fits NY need for RD asap
Slaf has tools to maybe be Kreider lite
Reinbacher like Per is 2-ish yrs away, but fits greater need for us
late 1st is helpful, bridges dif betw LaF potential + Sla

Habs get W who is emerging stud
excellent prospect
these 2 = great marketing
Lindgren = useful/can get 2nd/+ for him
+ a pick

If the Rangers had McDavid, Crosby, or Mackinnon you'd find a way to trade them for prospects and picks at their 26th birthday. You are the Leonardo Dicapio of arm chair GMs....and that adjective is to describe his love life (always young and done) in case that isn't clear.

 

[lakeshirts37]

That is not how analytics work, especially in a fluid environment like hockey. There are a myriad of useful ideas and formulas out there, all of which are important in context.

For example, a player with a good corsi/corsirel and a negative xg% might be deployed in more of a shell strategy, and not with other useful offensive players generating hdc. In this case, a low event keep away strategy that minimizes everyone’s scoring chances is exactly what you want. Xg might tell you the team in question is getting “caved” but if they are giving up a small amount of SA/60 they would be doing their jobs well.

ok nerd

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Lavi setting things up for a
Cuylle-Goodrow-Rempe line

When the devs start brendan smith, kevin bahl and kurtis macdermid on 4/3 its gonna bring back some memories to the bickel, prust rupp days when the product of nhl was so much better

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Can you please elaborate on how this is selling high on Lafreniere?

Do you expect him to not be able to put these numbers up again? He’s finally in the top six, he’s found a home on a line and he still isn’t sniffing PP time.

i don’t want to get into the offer; but I do not understand why you think this is the right time to sell on Lafreniere.

I agree, I think Laff is finally comfortable while playing on a line on a consistent basis night in and night out instead of things getting changed up every 3 games like his previous seasons.

He is starting to come into his own, should end with 20g and 50pts with like you said almost non-existent power play time.

I think he eventually gets to a 30-35g 70-80pt player (with a 40 goal/90pt season mixed in).

Trading him now unless it was some insane overpayment would be terrible. I think he, Miller and Fox lead the next core after Zib, Panarin, Kreider is done.

 

[Savant]

I agree, I think Laff is finally comfortable while playing on a line on a consistent basis night in and night out instead of things getting changed up every 3 games like his previous seasons.

He is starting to come into his own, should end with 20g and 50pts with like you said almost non-existent power play time.

I think he eventually gets to a 30-35g 70-80pt player (with a 40 goal/90pt season mixed in).

Trading him now unless it was some insane overpayment would be terrible. I think he, Miller and Fox lead the next core after Zib, Panarin, Kreider is done.

no need to get into crazy detail here for obvious reasons, but to me selling high to me means you think he is maxed out. I don’t think moving a 22 year old who may have found his groove this season constitutes selling high