Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[UAGoalieGuy]

I am watching Pittsburgh-Boston. Emily Kaplan said Dubas was surprised/frustrated he could not get top prospects/young players for Guentzel. Is Dubas a first time NHL GM? I know this is first time selling off a player but teams don't trade top prospects/young players for rentals. EF reported a few weeks ago on HNIC that Dubas didn't want draft picks for Guentzel.

Did the Rangers even offer what was reported? Dubas didn't even get a #1 pick in the deal with Carolina but somehow the Rangers were offering a #1 pick plus a top young roster(Kakko?)/top prospect(Othmann)for Guentzel but Dubas took the Carolina deal of three prospects/suspects and a conditional second which becomes a first if Carolina wins three playoff rounds.

I wouldn’t trade Othmann straight up for the deal Dufus got from Carolina. Pick #31 or #32 plus three players who will not any type of NHL careers.

Very weird.

The Pens are screwed. They are one if not the oldest team in the league. Why they re-signed Rakell instead of extending Guentzal is beyond me. Rust I get to an extent.

Trading for Karlsson was a massive mistake. They should have used those assets to build up their farm. Or at the very least look for players coming off their ELC.

They don't have many great expiring deals next season outside of Crosby and Pettersson. Lesser players that are expiring are Eller and Smith

Best thing that can happen is if Crosby asked to be moved to kick start their rebuild. Even in his age 37 season with 1 year left on his contract he'll get a very good return. Can re-sign with the Pens the following summer.

Once Crosby and Malkin are done that team is going to be worse then the Hawks were last season.

I hope the Pens win the lottery and that pick goes to the Sharks.

 

[Vitto79]

Barbanov isn’t very good so Sharks saved the Rangers from themselves

If the Rangers really wanted Barbanov though they could have made it work with a 3rd team.

True a trade to another team then 50 off would of done it but maybe it was so last minute they didn’t have time

They do seem short a F . No idea who the 12th is come playoff time

 

[MrAlmost]

I can see Kakko, Lindgren and Goodrow all going at or around the draft. Kakko and Lindgren maybe a package for a top pair LD. I think with the wingers we have coming the team will look to really improve Fox's partner for the years going forward.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think it’s more imperative to move Trouba than it is even Lindgren. At least Lindgren has been pretty good in the recent past and didn’t drag Fox down. I would like an upgrade but Lindgren is going to be much cheaper than Trouba as well which would allow them to add a bigger salary elsewhere.

 

[effen]

Pittsburgh isn't blowing it up. They're going to try to compete next year. Bunting is probably, by a lot, the best roster player he could get. A lot better than Kakko.

He took the middling futures return because of the roster player. I think in a perfect world he would have gotten a Dawson Mercer/Seth Jarvis type but that just doesn't happen.

 

[BBKers]

That was #4

 

[bernmeister]

That's a waste of Wennberg.

Edstrom plays LW.
Surplus of those.
Better that Edstrom plays minutes rather than sit as a 13th forward.
Edstrom has a higher cap hit though I’m not sure how close we are to the ceiling.

depends
if what I said is factually true, then no. If I am in error, then no.
What I said was Wen is a MAYBE at bet to contribute offensively. Ok to experiment few shifts here and there or an odd PP esp if we have a lead.
But as a serious matter no, and it is stupid to try and force sq peg in a round hole.
Howev, I said he was extremely likely if not certain to contribute defensively
Mesh complementary pieces
Eds - Wenn Rempe would be a kick ass 4th line, one that could deserve a few extra shifts, and see what happens, but reliable at shut down

I can see Kakko, Lindgren and Goodrow all going at or around the draft. Kakko and Lindgren maybe a package for a top pair LD. I think with the wingers we have coming the team will look to really improve Fox's partner for the years going forward.

no
not moving KK, finding someone to add to him + Cuylle and have a compete, effective line.

I think it’s more imperative to move Trouba than it is even Lindgren. At least Lindgren has been pretty good in the recent past and didn’t drag Fox down. I would like an upgrade but Lindgren is going to be much cheaper than Trouba as well which would allow them to add a bigger salary elsewhere.

both have to go
Troub to a lesser extent diminishing returns but mo for cap relief

Lindy is diminishing returns
should have sold high on him before + gotten a late 1st
the more we hold the less productive he is for us AND the less he gets in return

 

[Clark Kellogg]

depends
if what I said is factually true, then no. If I am in error, then no.
What I said was Wen is a MAYBE at bet to contribute offensively. Ok to experiment few shifts here and there or an odd PP esp if we have a lead.
But as a serious matter no, and it is stupid to try and force sq peg in a round hole.
Howev, I said he was extremely likely if not certain to contribute defensively
Mesh complementary pieces
Eds - Wenn Rempe would be a kick ass 4th line, one that could deserve a few extra shifts, and see what happens, but reliable at shut down


no
not moving KK, finding someone to add to him + Cuylle and have a compete, effective line.


both have to go
Troub to a lesser extent diminishing returns but mo for cap relief

Lindy is diminishing returns
should have sold high on him before + gotten a late 1st
the more we hold the less productive he is for us AND the less he gets in return

I believe you have replied to the wrong post.

 

[bernmeister]

I believe you have replied to the wrong post.

noticed that but checked it out
the answer to Wenn then carries into discussing Eds

but as you are not one of the few here who tell me water is not wet I believe we good.

 

[HolyHagelin]

Those stats arent really relevant anymore

Lolwut

I could understand, respect, and agree with a SSS argument, but to take the position that possessing the puck - which is what corsi is supposed to measure - is somehow not relevant is weird.

These are the stats that kickstarted the analytics revolution in hockey, and the teams that are good at them usually win a lot. The Rangers have generally been an outlier in this regard due to going on 2 decades of sparkling goaltending, but LAK, CHI, and TBL certainly all proved the concept of the value of those stats.

Fwiw, before tonight, Rempe had a 50% corsi and a small + corsirel, but was much worse in fenwick.

 

[mas0764]

I think it’s more imperative to move Trouba than it is even Lindgren. At least Lindgren has been pretty good in the recent past and didn’t drag Fox down. I would like an upgrade but Lindgren is going to be much cheaper than Trouba as well which would allow them to add a bigger salary elsewhere.

Lindgren is also not under contract. Clearing out Trouba’s $8m is basically mandatory if the team wants to win a Cup. You can’t pay a 6th or 7th defenseman #1D money.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Trouba, Lindgren and Goodrow all need to go. That's 8-14 million depending on retention and could be used to sign legit NHL players

 

[bl02]

Trouba, Lindgren and Goodrow all need to go. That's 8-14 million depending on retention and could be used to sign legit NHL players

Goodrow and Lindgren good chance. How are we getting rid of Trouba? The coaches love him. He's the captain.

 

[Guyute]

I think it’s more imperative to move Trouba than it is even Lindgren. At least Lindgren has been pretty good in the recent past and didn’t drag Fox down. I would like an upgrade but Lindgren is going to be much cheaper than Trouba as well which would allow them to add a bigger salary elsewhere.

Agreed. We’ll see how this spring goes, but the right move long-term is getting rid of Trouba and promoting Schneider.

 

[Barnaby]

This thread is always depressing after the trade deadline.

Very difficult to make the big splash while not giving up any highly valued picks / prospects. HF is a tough fanbase to appease.

 

[Barnaby]

What would Kakko and 1st get at draft? Top 10 pick selection at draft, maybe top 5??

Who wouldn’t give up a chance at a franchise cornerstone for Kraapo and the 27th OA…

 

[NYR Viper]

Hopefully Roslovic impresses here. I'm expecting Drury to unload Goodrow's money this summer, 3.6 mil per. Roslovic should come in somewhere close to that number. He got 2 years at 4 mil per on his current deal. I don't think anyones committing much more than that. He's not perfect but he'd be an ideal piece to hold on to past this season. With Chytil's future in question it'd be huge to have a winger that can play center if needed

I think Roslovic is looking at a 2 year deal somewhere for around $2-2.5m. He was hot/cold in CLB. And he’s not really a center full time

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m not seeing the need to rush Kakko out of town. It will be interesting to see him consistently with a NHL center now with Wennberg. If they do well, I’d hope they can find a way to keep Wennberg.

Lindgren and Trouba should be explored though. Although I’m growing concerned that the market on d-men may dry up quickly. Hanifin and Forsling already gone. Develop, Schultz, Cole, Dillon, Gostisbehere, Gustafson, Dumba, Roy. Perhaps SJ trades Ferraro. I wouldn’t say any of those guys are high end, Roy is probably the only true top-4 guy there. I like Demelo and Dillon as bottom-pairing guys though.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Very difficult to make the big splash while not giving up any highly valued picks / prospects. HF is a tough fanbase to appease.

I just meant because there isn't much to talk about.

 

[McRanger92]

I’m not seeing the need to rush Kakko out of town. It will be interesting to see him consistently with a NHL center now with Wennberg. If they do well, I’d hope they can find a way to keep Wennberg.

Lindgren and Trouba should be explored though. Although I’m growing concerned that the market on d-men may dry up quickly. Hanifin and Forsling already gone. Develop, Schultz, Cole, Dillon, Gostisbehere, Gustafson, Dumba, Roy. Perhaps SJ trades Ferraro. I wouldn’t say any of those guys are high end, Roy is probably the only true top-4 guy there. I like Demelo and Dillon as bottom-pairing guys though.

Pesce or Walker

 

[NYR Viper]

Pesce or Walker

We don’t think they re-sign? I think they will

 

[Kendo]

Pittsburgh isn't blowing it up. They're going to try to compete next year. Bunting is probably, by a lot, the best roster player he could get. A lot better than Kakko.

He took the middling futures return because of the roster player. I think in a perfect world he would have gotten a Dawson Mercer/Seth Jarvis type but that just doesn't happen.

Bunting's a jerk and a Calder thief, but he's a good piece. If Carolina straight traded him as the main piece in a deal, he could have gotten a decent return alone.

Pittsburgh's system was atrocious, so they needed an amount of quantity, but the quality ain't that bad either. We have a pretty good system, and the 3 kids they got would be roughly our 3rd, 5th, 7th prospects.

 

[McRanger92]

We don’t think they re-sign? I think they will

Canes don’t pay anyone. They were stupid to let us get Vinny

 

[n8]

That was #4

That's weird because there'd be plenty of cap left with Goodrow going back to SJ

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers made the mistake not waiving Brodzinski and keeping Edstrom in the lineup. Hes an upgrade over Brodzinski and Goodrow