Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part X — Active Roster in OP (09/28)

[LORDE]

Anyway, it is a concern that a 7th overall pick cannot make the team after his 2nd training camp. I know, patience and all that but I would like to see some NHL production out of him this year. Still plenty of time and he will get his chance.

82 games. 41 at home. Just sayin'.

What if he's up by TDL and plays like vintage Drury? Was it a good choice to have him in Hartford most of the season?

Yes this post is hyperbolic but I want Lias to be a success and if that means playing for the Pack for a few more months then so be it.

 

[Hire Sather]

What if he's up by TDL and plays like vintage Drury? Was it a good choice to have him in Hartford most of the season?

Yes this post is hyperbolic but I want Lias to be a success and if that means playing for the Pack for a few more months then so be it.

Of course. I'm not bashing the decision, just saying we need to see something out of him at the pro level this year or I will start to be concerned. I'm not one to just brush everything off as "he's still young." Need to see something this year.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah, the **** kinda comparison is that? Having a bunch of rookies is far more common in the NFL, they don’t even have a development league.

It’s comical how to justify his displeasure with the Rangers not running 3 rookies centers depth, for a single example he needed to go to another sport and 13 years before 1994. Lol. Pretty sure he inadvertently justified the Rangers decision to not to use 3 rookies and keeping Hayes for another season (at least until TDL). Well done!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ronnie Lott is one of the best defensive backs of all time.

If we had a Ronnie Lott type player, he’d be playing for us. The others were multiple pro bowl and even all pro level players.

Plus the sports are different. When was the last time an NHL team iced three rookie centers?

Not to mention, football players are older when they come into the league. The best rookies play after 3 years of college ball/ 2 years plus redshirt.

 

[Edge]

I think I’d be more concerned about Andersson if this move followed a questionable D-1 season, but he had strong showings in every league and situation — including the NHL.

In the grand scheme of things, those accomplishments will be an afterthought regardless of whether he makes it or doesn’t. But I do believe there is some levity to be had in this situation.

 

[kovazub94]

Yes we can as well move Lias now and hope his value don`t drop too quick so we can get his 1st pick in return for a future 1st pick while he is playing with Wolfpack - maybe Lias can be successful elsewhere. And that`s how I see the policy behind the scene at the moment - key guys in key positions in this Franchise won`t admit they missed on their top draft picks in 2017 - so they were sent down for another year in AHL and use the age reasoning in public.

Congrats! This is the first post, I believe, where trading Lias for a pick is suggested because Andersson is a bust.

 

[NYR]

The team is adapting to a much more physical style of play and injuries are inevitable (Zib?) so LA's call up may actually happen sooner than you think.

I'm sure he's pissed off right now so if he comes in with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove, he may very well stick...TBD

 

[kovazub94]

The lengths people will go to to spin the Andersson demotion is extremely amusing.

He had a great first preseason game but faded quickly. Very disappointing showing. Didn’t have the puck on his stick enough which has been a theme.

He is 19/20 years old, it’s not the end of the world. But the rationalization is over the top.

Not much else to discuss. It’s either this or McQuaid’s impact on overall D and pairs.

 

[kovazub94]

Judging by the other pairs one would assume that the Claesson/DeAngelo pair is the odd one out, though it's also possible that the Staal/Pionk pair is instead.

But the pairs are really a mess IMO. Skjei and McQuaid...like really, McQuaid was never more than a 3rd pair D in Boston, are you saying that Skjei is going to be a 3rd pair guy now, or are they hoping that there's some magical synergy that overcomes McQuaid's short falls?

Smith and Shattenkirk? Both too much risk takers IMO. When it works I could see it working real well and when it doesn't I can see it being real bad.

Staal and Pionk we already know ultimately sucks in the number of shots against they give up.

Claesson/DeAngelo might not actually be a bad pairing if it was one that was getting into the lineup and not sitting in the press box.

That all said, we're still almost a week out from the season starting, coaches may be playing with the lineup to see who they like in practice, and things could change in a hurry once games start mattering.

I'll be pretty annoyed if the D usage stays like this but I'll save my energy for when it's a reality

Completely agree and hopefully coaching staff realizes that there’s no need to overthink it.

Skjei - Shattenkirk as a first pair. McQuaid will not make it better, even just on defense. This is clearly where overthinking starts.

Smith - Pionk should be a classic two-way second pair style-wise and vet / rookie combination. See how it does.

Staal - ADA / McQuaid for third pair that rotates on the right side, including Pionk, depending on game factors and circumstances.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Completely agree and hopefully coaching staff realizes that there’s no need to overthink it.

Skjei - Shattenkirk as a first pair. McQuaid will not make it better, even just on defense. This is clearly where overthinking starts.

Smith - Pionk should be a classic two-way second pair style-wise and vet / rookie combination. See how it does.

Staal - ADA / McQuaid for third pair that rotates on the right side, including Pionk, depending on game factors and circumstances.

There should be a rotation on the left side of the third pair.

Or a replacement, to be more accurate.

 

[kovazub94]

There should be a rotation on the left side of the third pair.

Or a replacement, to be more accurate.

Hajek should continue to develop full time / major minutes and role with Hartford. Staal or Claesson, I don’t care either way.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Anyway, it is a concern that a 7th overall pick cannot make the team after his 2nd training camp. I know, patience and all that but I would like to see some NHL production out of him this year. Still plenty of time and he will get his chance.

82 games. 41 at home. Just sayin'.

No, but it really isn't at all.

 

[Crease]

Hard to get bent out of shape about a 19 year old kid getting reps in the AHL. I mean c'mon folks.

 

[kovazub94]

Hard to get bent out of shape about a 19 year old kid getting reps in the AHL. I mean c'mon folks.

Apparently not that hard.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hajek should continue to develop full time / major minutes and role with Hartford. Staal or Claesson, I don’t care either way.

I mean I guess but with the staff that we have here and their history of developing D, I'd rather have him learning up here.

Staal does nothing but take up space, both cap wise (which I understand we can't do anything about) and physically. He will help the team to be as bad as possible which I understand isn't necessarily a bad thing, but its not if it comes at the expense of further developing a player who you already have and outplayed the veteran by a massive amount.

I'm aware that this doesn't mean that he will be down with Hartford for the entire season (people bitching about Lias need to understand that this applies to him as well) but for all the talk about spots being earned based on merit, that sure isn't what happened here. With Lias, you could absolutely make the case for sending him down (I wouldn't have, but I get it.)

Hajek outplayed every other LD during camp.

 

[kovazub94]

I mean I guess but with the staff that we have here and their history of developing D, I'd rather have him learning up here.

Staal does nothing but take up space, both cap wise (which I understand we can't do anything about) and physically. He will help the team to be as bad as possible which I understand isn't necessarily a bad thing, but its not if it comes at the expense of further developing a player who you already have and outplayed the veteran by a massive amount.

I'm aware that this doesn't mean that he will be down with Hartford for the entire season (people *****ing about Lias need to understand that this applies to him as well) but for all the talk about spots being earned based on merit, that sure isn't what happened here. With Lias, you could absolutely make the case for sending him down (I wouldn't have, but I get it.)

Hajek outplayed every other LD during camp.

As I said with respect to Chytil, Andersson and Howden, for their development they should be split in different leagues, so probably would Pionk, ADA and Hajek.

 

[Ola]

No, but it really isn't at all.

This is where stats come so handy. How many of the top NHLers, drafted outside say the top 3, player say 70+ games in the NHL at 19?

In the top 30 in scoring, not being top 3 picks, this is how it looks:
Giroux his 3rd year
Kucherov his 4th
Kopitar his 2nd
Kessel his 1st
Wheeler his 4th
Marchand his 4th
Barzal his 3rd
Voracek his 2nd
Raantanen his 2nd
Gaudreau his 4th
Kuzerov his 5th
Panarin his 6th
Pasternak his 3rd
Benn his 3rd
Karlsson his 5th
Coutier his 1st
Trouchek his 5th
JAM his 8th

On average these forwards in other words on average made it their 3.6th year after their draft eligible year (full season counted as 70+ games).

Why are we rushing the kids? Let them develop. IMO Andersson should have been left in Sweden 2 years.

 

[Hire Sather]

This is where stats come so handy. How many of the top NHLers, drafted outside say the top 3, player say 70+ games in the NHL at 19?

In the top 30 in scoring, not being top 3 picks, this is how it looks:
Giroux his 3rd year
Kucherov his 4th
Kopitar his 2nd
Kessel his 1st
Wheeler his 4th
Marchand his 4th
Barzal his 3rd
Voracek his 2nd
Raantanen his 2nd
Gaudreau his 4th
Kuzerov his 5th
Panarin his 6th
Pasternak his 3rd
Benn his 3rd
Karlsson his 5th
Coutier his 1st
Trouchek his 5th
JAM his 8th

On average these forwards in other words on average made it their 3.6th year after their draft eligible year (full season counted as 70+ games).

Why are we rushing the kids? Let them develop. IMO Andersson should have been left in Sweden 2 years.

Good stuff. This is something I wanted to know but was too lazy to gather.

Thank you, this eases my concerns on Lias a bit and I stand corrected at being concerned.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Any point predicts for Chytil? Big fan and thinking of taking him in my keeper

40-45.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Congrats! This is the first post, I believe, where trading Lias for a pick is suggested because Andersson is a bust.

Nope, Bern's attempted this a few times already.

 

[Mikos87]

On Hajek & Andersson.

If we're talking roles, and where they should slot in a line-up. I would take the sign of them playing 20-25 a night in front line situations as a positive sign.

Here's why:

They probably view both players as top 6, and top 4 players that don't need sheltering. You'll have guys like that eat a different set of minutes, but it sounds like they looked at Andersson and Hajek as guys that will replace players like Hayes & Smith.

 

[I Eat Crow]

40-45.

That may be a bit overly optimistic. My guess is 30ish points.

Re: Andersson. Injuries are going to happen. The writing is on the wall that Hayes will be dealt at the deadline and maybe Spooner/Namestnikov are going to be dealt this year or next summer. Andersson will get his NHL games in. I'm not concerned. I'm more concerned that Chytil is going to ride pine in the NHL when he should also be playing 20 minutes a night in all situations.

Howden has a bit more refined game than the other two at this point, but his upside isn't as high. He's a decent 2nd line center if EVERYTHING breaks right for him. He's more likely than not a great bottom six center, but will have a long NHL career when all is said and done.

 

[Rempe73]

Good stuff. This is something I wanted to know but was too lazy to gather.

Thank you, this eases my concerns on Lias a bit and I stand corrected at being concerned.

You stand corrected? On hfboards? Wow. I didn’t think it was possible. Nice job.

 

[Alluckks]

Yes we can as well move Lias now and hope his value don`t drop too quick so we can get his 1st pick in return for a future 1st pick while he is playing with Wolfpack - maybe Lias can be successful elsewhere. And that`s how I see the policy behind the scene at the moment - key guys in key positions in this Franchise won`t admit they missed on their top draft picks in 2017 - so they were sent down for another year in AHL and use the age reasoning in public.

Jesus effin' Christ

 

[Avery16]

I feel like FO has some personnel questions they’re still mulling over while Nieves, Beleskey and Crawley heal. We may see a trade earlier rather than later, and Andersson comes back up.