Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part X — Active Roster in OP (09/28)
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Are we going to name anybody captain?
We got a lot of players who were captains at lower levels:
Howden
Staal
Shattenkirk
Beleskey
Vesey
Spooner
O'Gara
Fogarty
Lindgren
Bigras
Day
Nieves
Andersson
Leedahl
Gettinger
We got a lot of players who were captains at lower levels:
Howden
Staal
Shattenkirk
Beleskey
Vesey
Spooner
O'Gara
Fogarty
Lindgren
Bigras
Day
Nieves
Andersson
Leedahl
Gettinger
Rempe73
RIP King of Pop
Oh yea, I forgot about those. Those kinds of FA signings are good, and should be made often. I even liked the Desharnais signing. Even though it didn’t really work out with him, the FO should sign more of those players. Low risk, high reward. And like you mentioned with Grabner and Pouiliot, they do pay off sometimes.
But when I was writing that, I was thinking about the big money FA signings that the Rangers are known for. It’s not a good strategy. I think most of us realize this. Even before the salary cap, signing all those expensive free agents rarely worked. You have to develop a team and let them grow together, especially through the draft. That’s why we only have one Cup in so long.
Rempe73
RIP King of Pop
Let’s be real. Not much is going to change with these lines and pairings before opening night, unless a line or two severely lacks chemistry. Even by the end of October, unless there’s an injury, I don’t see ADA playing regularly. I rarely freak out, but now I’m freaking out. DeAngelo had the best training camp he could have had. Best NYR defenseman in the preseason. To have McQuaid, with zero upside, or Staal, who sucks, over DeAngelo is the worst possible thing this organization could do at the moment. Especially in a year where the games don’t even matter. And DeAngelo is probably better than those two combined. He did everything right, and he still might get scratched for someone like McQuaid. And for what? Getting back a measly 4th round pick at the trade deadline? This organization, man. If they screw this up, nothing will ever change. Unforgivable.
HatTrick Swayze
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I guess I just expected him to do more than just “belong”. If he consistently outplayed an established guy like Hayes, is he on the team? No doubt, right? They find a way.
He wasn’t good enough, consistently. He’s a pretty young player, and perhaps my/others expectations were too high. But I wouldn’t go out of my way to rationalize it either.
I think McQuaid will sit, unless there is an injury or ADA or Pionk play poorly or extra physicality is needed. He is the insurance in case something goes wrong. ADA's competition is strictly RD, so Staal has nothing to do with ADA.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Something people are overlooking is that Howden was a 2016 first rounder. It's GOOD that he's forcing his way onto the roster, this is going to be his 3rd years post draft.
Would people be as down on Lias if Howden were OUR first round pick? Wouldn't people think that the 2016 first rounder SHOULD be making the roster before the 2017 first rounder? I know that Lias has played more at the pro level and Howden was in juniors but come on, it's not insane that Lias start the season in the AHL, play a bit more pro hockey on a North American rink. He needs to play a bit more determined and a bit less deferential. I feel like sometimes he's so worried about making the smart and safe play that he's passing on opportunities to create. Let him play a few months in the AHL and hopefully get more comfortable and confident at the pro level on NA rinks. Everything we know about him we should expect him to take it to heart and do everything he can to earn his way onto the big club. So he gets more seasoning and development and hopefully whenever he gets called up he's better off for it. It's really not a huge deal.
Henirk Zetterberg is a borderline hall of famer and he didn't play in the NHL until his 4th year post draft. Just because Lias was a high pick doesn't mean we need to get him the NHL as soon as possible, they need to do what they think is best for him to become the best NHLer in the future. Even a full year in the AHL wouldn't be a big deal. Forget about where he was taken in the draft, be happy that Howden and Chytil are forcing their way onto the team so we don't need Lias to do it ahead of when he's ready. It's all fine all around.
Wanna look at another high pick from recent years? Mark Scheifle, 2011 7th overall selection, didn't become an NHLer until into his 3rd post draft season when he played 64 games.
And RangerBoy, the comparison of center depth to NFL secondary is so ludicrous that it's hard to even take it seriously. Not to mention the NFL is such a different league than the NHL. There's no minors, players are expected to come into the NFL right after their draft and be what they are. Really the only similarity is that they're both contact sports, that's about it.
Would people be as down on Lias if Howden were OUR first round pick? Wouldn't people think that the 2016 first rounder SHOULD be making the roster before the 2017 first rounder? I know that Lias has played more at the pro level and Howden was in juniors but come on, it's not insane that Lias start the season in the AHL, play a bit more pro hockey on a North American rink. He needs to play a bit more determined and a bit less deferential. I feel like sometimes he's so worried about making the smart and safe play that he's passing on opportunities to create. Let him play a few months in the AHL and hopefully get more comfortable and confident at the pro level on NA rinks. Everything we know about him we should expect him to take it to heart and do everything he can to earn his way onto the big club. So he gets more seasoning and development and hopefully whenever he gets called up he's better off for it. It's really not a huge deal.
Henirk Zetterberg is a borderline hall of famer and he didn't play in the NHL until his 4th year post draft. Just because Lias was a high pick doesn't mean we need to get him the NHL as soon as possible, they need to do what they think is best for him to become the best NHLer in the future. Even a full year in the AHL wouldn't be a big deal. Forget about where he was taken in the draft, be happy that Howden and Chytil are forcing their way onto the team so we don't need Lias to do it ahead of when he's ready. It's all fine all around.
Wanna look at another high pick from recent years? Mark Scheifle, 2011 7th overall selection, didn't become an NHLer until into his 3rd post draft season when he played 64 games.
And RangerBoy, the comparison of center depth to NFL secondary is so ludicrous that it's hard to even take it seriously. Not to mention the NFL is such a different league than the NHL. There's no minors, players are expected to come into the NFL right after their draft and be what they are. Really the only similarity is that they're both contact sports, that's about it.
Yes, but Lias has already played in AHL as well as SHL against grown men. Howden only played a handful of AHL games.
Rempe73
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Yeah, the f*** kinda comparison is that? Having a bunch of rookies is far more common in the NFL, they don’t even have a development league.
I would think so too which is why they claim an Oscar Lindberg if he becomes avail
Other options were Fogarty , Holland and an injured Nieves
BBKers
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Hockey players are to a large extent still boys when they go professional (excluding some Europeans and NCAA draft picks).
Football players are young men out of college.
Apples and oranges.
Both fruits but still not the same
Football players are young men out of college.
Apples and oranges.
Both fruits but still not the same
haohmaru
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You're comparing three NFL rookie players in the secondary to an NHL team fielding three "young" centers? Let's forget about the fact that these are two different sports, two different facets of the team (defense/offense), and require completely different things from their players (short 40+ second shifts vs. "drives" requiring a different type of endurance. The comparison is asinine.
The Rangers are fielding young centers with or without "fat lazy" Hayes (26) - Zibs 25. Chytil 19. Howden 20. That's not "rebuilding". That's rebuilding.
haohmaru
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The tea leaves say that if the Rangers aren't in a playoff spot by the trade deadline that Hayes, who is hopefully having the season of his life, is going bye-bye for draft picks.
BBKers
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And/or a young defenseman with big upside
LORDE
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Not sure what all the whinging is all about.
Gorts said a few things that really stuck out (and things I happen to agree with completely):
- They want Andersson to play big mins, PP mins. Paraphrasing but: 'yeah we could probably find 7-9 mins a night but we think it's better for his development to get those kind of mins every night'
- Howden looked good killing penalties as camp went on, they can play him 4th line mins and not hurt him (right now)
- Easiest thing would be to throw these guys out there and just say "look how young we are" but we want to do what's best for each player
- Once they're drafted it doesn't matter anymore where they were drafted
- Hajek and Lindgren... same thing... go down, play big mins... see ya soon
What isn't to like about those items? Not mention having Georgiev up as Hank's backup which is big for him... a whole season alongside one of the best EVER and working with Benoit? Come on!
Gorts said a few things that really stuck out (and things I happen to agree with completely):
- They want Andersson to play big mins, PP mins. Paraphrasing but: 'yeah we could probably find 7-9 mins a night but we think it's better for his development to get those kind of mins every night'
- Howden looked good killing penalties as camp went on, they can play him 4th line mins and not hurt him (right now)
- Easiest thing would be to throw these guys out there and just say "look how young we are" but we want to do what's best for each player
- Once they're drafted it doesn't matter anymore where they were drafted
- Hajek and Lindgren... same thing... go down, play big mins... see ya soon
What isn't to like about those items? Not mention having Georgiev up as Hank's backup which is big for him... a whole season alongside one of the best EVER and working with Benoit? Come on!
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It will be a long season after I listen to Jeff Gorton - it`s like they try to move away from responsibility how this season is going to pan out and protect Gordie Clark job position to make sure this Franchise won`t hit with any picks next summer in 2019. Maybe Jeff is concerned about his own role and GM job who knows.
Well I`ve Dylan McIlrath kind of expectations the next couple of years with coaching decisions this pre season also in OT, and what are they doing this pre season with some of their star talented players? I feel really bad for Lias & Libor and welcome to New York Rangers management. Because they did not let them have chance to succeed how they are used and managed with their top talented players in this year training camp with who they were playing with. And while Vesey getting top 6 role kind of line duties until the very end of the camp sucking his way into the roster.
It`s literally comedy to watch what is really going to unfold here - and it should be interesting..
Well I`ve Dylan McIlrath kind of expectations the next couple of years with coaching decisions this pre season also in OT, and what are they doing this pre season with some of their star talented players? I feel really bad for Lias & Libor and welcome to New York Rangers management. Because they did not let them have chance to succeed how they are used and managed with their top talented players in this year training camp with who they were playing with. And while Vesey getting top 6 role kind of line duties until the very end of the camp sucking his way into the roster.
It`s literally comedy to watch what is really going to unfold here - and it should be interesting..
Gorton is the one who made the comment about Hayes needing to come to training camp in great shape. He must have a reason for making that comment. That was the first comment out of his mouth before discussing Hayes needing to take the next step in his game. The Rangers have been waiting for 3 years for that next step.
You think it’s easy for a team to start 3 rookies in the secondary and win a championship? Bill Walsh was the genius. He took the risk of playing so many inexperienced but talented players.
If David Quinn can point to Tom Brady and say Lundqvist can be the next Brady and play at a high level into his late 30’s/early 40’s,I can point to the 49ers winning a Super Bowl with 3 rookies in their secondary. NFL are reluctant to start one rookie and never mind 3 at the same position.
Brady plays a position where he is not allowed to get hit. They practice 3 times per week. Play just 16 games. One game per week. 8 games at home.
Gorton said this how the Rangers will line up for now. The Rangers aren’t a Cup contender where they don’t want to play too many young guys. The Rangers sent Andersson to the AHL. They tell us how good he is and they don’t have a spot for him. Andersson had one bad game against Philadelphia and he was sent to the AHL. If that was the same criteria used, Gorton needed to waive 1/2 of the team. Some of those players barely played a good game. Jimmy Vesey. Drury’s boy.
Andersson, Chytil and Howden all have pedigree. Former first round picks. They have all played on the big stage. World Junior Championships.
TheBloodyNine
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Yes we can as well move Lias now and hope his value don`t drop too quick so we can get his 1st pick in return for a future 1st pick while he is playing with Wolfpack - maybe Lias can be successful elsewhere. And that`s how I see the policy behind the scene at the moment - key guys in key positions in this Franchise won`t admit they missed on their top draft picks in 2017 - so they were sent down for another year in AHL and use the age reasoning in public.
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Hire Sather
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Honestly can't believe someone is trying to make a hockey point in 2018 by referencing the 1981 San Francisco 49ers secondary.
Hire Sather
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Anyway, it is a concern that a 7th overall pick cannot make the team after his 2nd training camp. I know, patience and all that but I would like to see some NHL production out of him this year. Still plenty of time and he will get his chance.
82 games. 41 at home. Just sayin'.
82 games. 41 at home. Just sayin'.
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