Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part X — Active Roster in OP (09/28)

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Can't even spell "Lettieri" hahaha. What a joke

 

[Hire Sather]

Cody McLeod must be scared of the Predators he probably asked out of the lineup

 

[Levitate]

Man those D pairings are just crap

Guess we'll see how it goes as things actually get underway but for all my naysaying earlier it certainly now bugs the shit out of me that they're trying to play McQuaid there. It's either an acknowledgment that the D overall is just absolutely horrendous crap right now or this coaching staff is going to have some major issues when it comes to figuring out how defense is played in the NHL.

 

[Tawnos]

Gorton should be calling Buffalo about Alex Nylander.

He has been rushed by Buffalo and have 2 worthless AHL seasons behind him. But he definitely have some underlying offensive potential. In these cases its often easier to deal a suspect for another suspect and we maybe don't immediately have a candidate to send Buffalo's way and they probably aren't to eager to give him away, but as a RHS and good PP player ha makes some sense for us. Vesey for A Nyls?

Buffalo is still in rebuilding mode too... no idea why they would do this.

 

[Levitate]

Buffalo is still in rebuilding mode too... no idea why they would do this.

Nylander has been somewhat of a disappointment so far so they might consider moving on if they have other guys pushing past him, as well as perhaps thinking they need to acquire a youngish "vet" to help stabilize the lineup, but I don't think Vesey would be that guy.

 

[kovazub94]

Man those D pairings are just crap

Guess we'll see how it goes as things actually get underway but for all my naysaying earlier it certainly now bugs the **** out of me that they're trying to play McQuaid there. It's either an acknowledgment that the D overall is just absolutely horrendous crap right now or this coaching staff is going to have some major issues when it comes to figuring out how defense is played in the NHL.

Same. Even if there was a public outcry about Staal / McQuaid pairing - I'd just shrug it off and attribute to not having another option but Skjei with McQ definitely bothers me. Hopefully it doesn't take Quinn long to discard.

 

[Tawnos]

Nylander has been somewhat of a disappointment so far so they might consider moving on if they have other guys pushing past him, as well as perhaps thinking they need to acquire a youngish "vet" to help stabilize the lineup, but I don't think Vesey would be that guy.

I get that, but he's JUST entering his D+3 season. Rebuilding teams don't give up on their top-10 picks that quickly.

 

[pld459666]

I'm reading this article, and I am no goalie, but it sounds like Henrik is going back to relying on his reflexes and athleticism to make saves?

Which seems like it could go poorly

Exactly what I thought as well.

Hank relying on his reflexes helps the Tank.

 

[Levitate]

Same. Even if there was a public outcry about Staal / McQuaid pairing - I'd just shrug it off and attribute to not having another option but Skjei with McQ definitely bothers me. Hopefully it doesn't take Quinn long to discard.

Though I do suspect they will rotate the D a lot this season, it's just that McQuaid has always been a 3rd pairing guy at best so playing him up in the lineup is kind of ridiculous. Other possibility could be that Smith-Shattenkirk is actually the first pair and pairing Skjei and McQuaid is a wakeup call for Skjei to get his act together

 

[Kovalev27]

I'm reading this article, and I am no goalie, but it sounds like Henrik is going back to relying on his reflexes and athleticism to make saves?

Which seems like it could go poorly

Considering his size and lack of speed at 36 years old it is a very bad idea. He started challenging more because he was getting beat clean religiously staying deep. He doesn’t have the reflexes anymore to play that style. The game is faster the shots are harder the forwards are more skilled. This is a guy that’s kind of trying to figure out how to get back to where he was and is in between what he should do to get there. The problem is he can’t get there. He’s an undersized soon to be 37 year old goalie who made a living on being the quickest goalie reaction wise in nhl history.

 

[eco's bones]

Pionk better be on his game from the start. I can see him being the guy shuffled out of the lineup and possibly to the minors since he doesn't have to go thru waivers.

I would say both Pionk and DeAngelo better be on their game from the start. They are both trying to establish themselves as NHL players. A couple bad games and the other guy gets in and plays better and you might not see the couple bad games guy for a while. Defensive miscues could easily become an issue--both will be looked at as secondary power play options so if one contributes and the other not so much--there's an edge there. Also the ability to use the player for significant penalty kill time or late in games if we're protecting a 1 goal lead is another edge. Which is to say they'll both need to contribute positively in both offensive and defensive situations.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Called it. Staal will play 82 games, Vesey will be in the top-6 for weeks after scoring a fluke goal and Buchnevich will be demoted to the 4th line if he doesn't score 3 games in a row. Same ****, different coach. Because some things just aren't AV-issues but NHL-issues.

Vesey already projected in the top-6, Staal playing over DeAngelo. This will be fun.

 

[eco's bones]

FWIW I think there's a lot that Quinn still has to find out about his player personnel. I'm expecting a rocky start--the players learn curving a new system and Quinn figuring which guys can do what things the best and who plays the best with who. As a collective unit he was playing maybe a dozen of them together right up to the end of preseason against other teams that were playing a bunch of their prospects too.

 

[SA16]

Ideally McQuaid is the 3RD and IMO he doesn't need to be an everyday player. I see him switching off with ADA and maybe even Neal Pionk at times--unless one of them gets moved early in the year. The Rangers picked up McQuaid for experience, to stabilize the RD and for presence. They wanted a big body on the right side who would take care of business in their own defensive zone--who they could use on the penalty kill and he is one of the toughest guys in the league and that's another element the team lacked.

I would expect that eventually someone on the right side is going to miss games with injuries. Looking at our group--McQuaid, Shattenkirk, DeAngelo all missed significant time with injury last year---so I'm not all that concerned with who is going to play how many games this year or at least not right now.

But back to McQuaid I think the odds are he'll be moved by or at the trade deadline. The only thing forestalling that is a season ending injury before that can be pulled off or the Rangers making another commitment to him. Basically it's all wait and see for now.

In an ideal world McQuaid would be RD1 RD2 or RD3 for one of the seven other Metropolitan division teams so the Rangers could face him.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Vesey already projected in the top-6, Staal playing over DeAngelo. This will be fun.

Painful ****. It's a long season and I know they'll play, but as a rebuilding team why not just throw them out against the wolves and let them learn from their inevitable mistakes.

 

[NYR]

I wouldn’t put to much stock into the Cyrgalis tweet as far as line slots go.

Obviously Zib and Hayes will be centering the top 2 lines but I’m expecting to see Chytil centering the 3rd line while Smith and Shattenkirk will most likely be the #1 D pairing to start things off.

I have way more of a problem with playing Vesey on the 2nd line than I do with McQuaid getting bumped up a slot.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

LMAO at that 2nd line.

Vesey is going to singlehandedly tank both Zucc and Hayes' trade value.

 

[Ola]

A real NYR way to go forward would be to have a real dump and pump approach the coming 12 months. Trade anyone and everything that can be traded this season for picks, then sign everything that can be signed next summer...

What could that look like?

Dump-moves 18/19

1. Shatty @4.6m per, Vesey and our 20' 2nd for LAKs 1st in 19' and 20'

2. Zucc for Dallas 1st and 2nd in 19'

3. Hayes to whomever for two 1st round picks

4. McQuaid for a 2nd

5. Smith for a 3rd round pick

6. Buy-out Marc Staal

Play out the year with:
Kreider-Ziba-Buch
Names-Chytil-Meskanen
Spooner-Lias-Fast
Beleskey-Howden-Lettieri
Skjei-ADA
Claesson-Pionk
Hajak-Lindgren
Hank
George

Picks (assuming Tampa don't win):
2019: Four 1st rounders; 3 second rounders; 2 third rounders
2020: Three 1st rounders

Pump moves 19/20
Cap commitment going into the summer of 2019: 54m
Cap: 85m (?)
Space: 31m

Moves:
Sign Buch to 5-6 years at 5-6m per
Sign Karlsson to 12m per
Sign Panarin to 10m per

Team 2019/20:
Kreider-Buch-Ziba
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Spooner-Lias-Fast
Names-Howden-Lettieri
Hajak-Karlsson
Skjei-Pionk
Lindgren-ADA
Hank
George

Capspace going into the season: 3m (minus increases for resigning ADA and Pionk, ie we would be right up against the cap)

If the kids develop reasonably well we could possibly be a PO team if everything comes together.

Going into 20/21
'Off the books' (can of course be resigned):
Kreider 4.625m
Names 4m
Spooner 4m
Fast 1.8m

Cap: 90m (?)
Commitment: 70m on a 15 player roster
Capspace: 20m

Is there anything to gain with this approach? Is it lunacy?

I don't know, at this point we would have had a total of TEN 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd and 3rd round picks the over the previous three years. At least our 1st in 19' should be a top 4-5 pick.

If we assume:
-that all other teams are right up against the cap;
-we at this point easily have a top 3-4 farm in the NHL;
-Gorton manage to lure at least one good UDFA or European FA;
=We would of course be in good shape going into that summer. Expansion? Should help, not hurt us.

Gorts could more or less easily and comfortably outbid anyone if a player we want is made available in a trade.

Gorts could get anyone he wanted on the UFA market (Taylor Hall and Pieterangelo is set to hit the market that summer, odds are of course that they won't, but...).

With the amount of picks we have made by then -- some will of course surprise a lot and be steals, while some will bust, but that is another issue.

The problem with this approch is that it tends to look good on paper but can be pretty hard to execute and there are always many traps to fall into on the way...

 

[Levitate]

I acutally don't have an issue with playing Vesey there...if the LW depth looks like:

Kreider
Vesey
Spooner
Namestnikov

Then I'd rather Spooner be playing with Chytil and Fast than Vesey..

First, I think it's better for Chytil to be the main puck carrier on that line. That's something he does well or should do well as he continues to develop. He can lug the puck, he can make the moves, he can dish it, he can take it to the net. Let him be the guy owning the puck on that line while Spooner helps facilitate that one way or another and Fast helps do the dirty work on the boards. If it was Vesey, he'd be trying to carry the puck all the time and that's usually when he gets into trouble.

Vesey with Hayes and Zucc MIGHT help keep him from being on the puck quite so much and he might benefit from being the guy going to the net .

Honestly I'm fine with the forward lines, as I said it's just the D that looks bad and maybe it's the new staff getting a little too cute with their plans and expectations but I think even for the eye test there's no way McQuaid can manage to fool people into thinking he should be playing top 5v5 minutes once the games start meaning something

 

[Leetch3]

imo they are trying to put vesey in a spot to succeed and basically saying sink or swim time...he needs to step up this year if he wants to be part of the long term plans

 

[Leetch3]

aside from ADA not playing. i don't hate those lines. would love to see zuc with chytil but obviously hayes is the #2 center. not really worried about the line order 1-4 but obviously chytil and howden getting enough minutes is important. but if they are playing on special teams that hopefully will be ok

 

[Matt Rentfree]

McLeod was in the lineup in that game. Didn't help. I doubt the Predators will see that McQuaid is in the lineup and suddenly not play hard.

I don't see McLeod and McQuaid being the same - and I'm not saying Nashville won't play hard - I'm saying that unlike McLeod, McQuaid will actually do something about it if the Preds step over the line.

 

[silverfish]

I don't see McLeod and McQuaid being the same - and I'm not saying Nashville won't play hard - I'm saying that unlike McLeod, McQuaid will actually do something about it if the Preds step over the line.

Then I have no idea why McLeod is in the NHL. I mean, I already didn't, but if teams know McLeod won't "do something" then he is beyond useless.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Then I have no idea why McLeod is in the NHL. I mean, I already didn't, but if teams know McLeod won't "do something" then he is beyond useless.

I wholeheartedly agree. I have no idea why the Rangers signed him.

 

[Ail]

A real NYR way to go forward would be to have a real dump and pump approach the coming 12 months. Trade anyone and everything that can be traded this season for picks, then sign everything that can be signed next summer...

What could that look like?

Dump-moves 18/19

1. Shatty @4.6m per, Vesey and our 20' 2nd for LAKs 1st in 19' and 20'

2. Zucc for Dallas 1st and 2nd in 19'

3. Hayes to whomever for two 1st round picks

4. McQuaid for a 2nd

5. Smith for a 3rd round pick

6. Buy-out Marc Staal

Play out the year with:
Kreider-Ziba-Buch
Names-Chytil-Meskanen
Spooner-Lias-Fast
Beleskey-Howden-Lettieri
Skjei-ADA
Claesson-Pionk
Hajak-Lindgren
Hank
George

Picks (assuming Tampa don't win):
2019: Four 1st rounders; 3 second rounders; 2 third rounders
2020: Three 1st rounders

Pump moves 19/20
Cap commitment going into the summer of 2019: 54m
Cap: 85m (?)
Space: 31m

Moves:
Sign Buch to 5-6 years at 5-6m per
Sign Karlsson to 12m per
Sign Panarin to 10m per

Team 2019/20:
Kreider-Buch-Ziba
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Spooner-Lias-Fast
Names-Howden-Lettieri
Hajak-Karlsson
Skjei-Pionk
Lindgren-ADA
Hank
George

Capspace going into the season: 3m (minus increases for resigning ADA and Pionk, ie we would be right up against the cap)

If the kids develop reasonably well we could possibly be a PO team if everything comes together.

Going into 20/21
'Off the books' (can of course be resigned):
Kreider 4.625m
Names 4m
Spooner 4m
Fast 1.8m

Cap: 90m (?)
Commitment: 70m on a 15 player roster
Capspace: 20m

Is there anything to gain with this approach? Is it lunacy?

I don't know, at this point we would have had a total of TEN 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd and 3rd round picks the over the previous three years. At least our 1st in 19' should be a top 4-5 pick.

If we assume:
-that all other teams are right up against the cap;
-we at this point easily have a top 3-4 farm in the NHL;
-Gorton manage to lure at least one good UDFA or European FA;
=We would of course be in good shape going into that summer. Expansion? Should help, not hurt us.

Gorts could more or less easily and comfortably outbid anyone if a player we want is made available in a trade.

Gorts could get anyone he wanted on the UFA market (Taylor Hall and Pieterangelo is set to hit the market that summer, odds are of course that they won't, but...).

With the amount of picks we have made by then -- some will of course surprise a lot and be steals, while some will bust, but that is another issue.

The problem with this approch is that it tends to look good on paper but can be pretty hard to execute and there are always many traps to fall into on the way...

The Pump ‘n’ Dump approach, a classic.