Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part X — Active Roster in OP (09/28)

[Kovalev27]

I don't think Staal has much if anything to do with DeAngelo they play different positions. It's the McQuaid trade that is the problem. There is absolutely no reason to have acquired a 31 year old bad defenseman who will block ice time from players who could have an important role in the future.

agree completely

this is the one that makes very little sense for a rebuilding team.

everything else looks fine to me but this move is the one baffling me especially with how well deangelo played in the preseason

 

[haveandare]

Sure, but he’s forcing a group of Chris Kunitz, Dan Girardi and Ryan Callahan to play against a red hot Ovechkin
Edit: He also just kept riding his young goaltender in his first year of full starting duties after he said himself he was exhausted in March

Yeah, it's bad coaching and something lacking from top players together.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Yeah, it's bad coaching and something lacking from top players together.

I’m not super high on Stamkos to begin with, I think he’s a good player, but not necessarily the guy who can do it himself. He’s at his best when he’s playing compliment to better wingers (St Louis, Kucherov). Which, to your point, is a problem with how the team is structured

 

[DanielBrassard]

DeAngelo sitting is the most frustrating thing so far to me, way more of an issue than Andersson being sent down.

 

[CTRanger]

Stamkos just hasn’t been the same player since he wrecked his leg on the goal post.

Agreed DeAngelo should be in the lineup!

 

[TheBloodyNine]

That Tampa pick is either a high 2nd (essentialy) or a low 2nd. Nothing truly spectacular either way.

 

[Off Sides]

I kind of wonder if the Rangers even wanted ADA as part of that trade, or if it was a non negotiable inclusion on the Coyotes part.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I kind of wonder if the Rangers even wanted ADA as part of that trade, or if it was a non negotiable inclusion on the Coyotes part.

If they didn't that doesn't speak too highly of Gorton. Trade Stepan and Raanta for the 7th overall pick and a guy you didn't even want? Not good.

 

[Machinehead]

Remember when I said this was going to happen right after the trade and you said: "I don't think you're thinking rationally".

It's sort of like -hear me out here- this isn't some #rebuild scam and the FO loves players like McQuaid and always have!

 

[Levitate]

I kind of wonder if the Rangers even wanted ADA as part of that trade, or if it was a non negotiable inclusion on the Coyotes part.

There were rumors they've been looking at DeAngleo for awhile before the trade, even back when he was with Tampa I think. I guess you'd have to assume that those were all BS

 

[Ola]

agree completely

this is the one that makes very little sense for a rebuilding team.

everything else looks fine to me but this move is the one baffling me especially with how well deangelo played in the preseason

I disagree a bit here. Shatty/Pionk/ADA is a very very one dimensional right side, I know Minny once had three offensive RDs, Burns, Zidlicky and MAB. But Burns’ still 6’3. That three would probably be the most one dimensional right side of a blueline that ever have hit the ice in the NHL for any longer period of time.

For me McQ complements out right side just fine. RD with size and no term, that we in addition can make a profit on — if he stays healthy — at the deadline.

The problem for me is Shatty. He is 30 soon. Offensive PMD. Just like ADA and Pionk. We have room to retain a little salary over 3 years, especially when Smith is mounting a comeback from the dead. Shatty would surely bring us back a 1st round pick, possibly even two if we add a bit, and offense from the right side would hardly be this rosters biggest concern I can guarantee that. Smith can also slide over if one goes down or need to sit. Gorton should be out there pushing a Shatty trade. LAK? LAK have still not replaced Voynov. Shatty @2m retained, Vesey and a 2nd in 20’ for LAKs next two 1st in November. Getting a 1st in November/a year in advance can be a lot more valuable than one at the deadline. Look at Calgary’s and Ottawa’s trades last season. Teams can fall through...

I would like to see a ton of pressure, speculations in media and what not about a Shatty trade. Give Gorts the gonads to do it! Stir things up. Had Shatty been here 6 years he would have been traded by now.

 

[TheTakedown]

Well, I get the expansion draft logic, but Andersson won't be exempt. Chytil would be if he's in the AHL this year and his contract slides.

How will Anderson not be exempt? That Rychel reference is the only case I've seen and it almost seems like it was a mistaker

 

[cwede]

... Tampa organization was crushed when they lost to the Caps.
Up 3-2 in the series and they were shutout in the final two games of the series...

not unlike being shutout in games 5 and 7 at home on Conference Finals - glad they got to taste the other side too

 

[Off Sides]

There were rumors they've been looking at DeAngleo for awhile before the trade, even back when he was with Tampa I think. I guess you'd have to assume that those were all BS

I don't know, on one hand I could see that there may have just been a bunch of circumstances in his way and the Rangers have been sort of trying to get him into the NHL. On the other hand, a lot of those circumstances that precluded him from making the NHL have been put there by the Rangers.

They trade for a on the cusp NHL prospect in ADA, I assume they knew he'd be waiver eligible this year when they made that trade, from then to now they signed Shattenkirk, extended Smith played him at RD, played all of Holden, Kampfer, even Staal a couple games at RD without bringing ADA back up.

And only once Smith was demoted, Holden traded and Shattenkirk still injured post trade deadline did ADA get many NHL games.

Then this off-season they add McQuaid, only to see all of Shattenkirk, Pionk and ADA show well in preseason.

I'm not sure if I am supposed to read that as they are giving ADA his due chances and he is not seizing them, or if I am supposed to read that as they are only playing him at the NHL level when all the other options are so limited they are sort of forced to play him.

If it's they are only playing him when forced, it makes me less confident in thinking they targeted him in that trade, usually someone who is targeted gets a path of less resistance, in my opinion, exemplified by McQuaid and pretty much every other player they ever targeted and traded for.

 

[NYR]

Personally after having completely written him off last year, I thought ADA actually showed up to TC much improved and I enjoyed watching him.

BUT..If we’re keeping things real, he’s has a whole lot more to prove that he’s a capable defender other than just a few PS games.
He still likes to take chances which could potentially hurt the team in the defensive end unless he’s managed to turn the corner.
It still remains to be seen.

With that said, if you actually think he’s going to just knock out a 12 year vet and assistant captain in Staal, (who wasn’t bad at all last season) just by judging from those few PS games, you’re setting yourself up for major disappointment.
It’s not very realistic and just doesn’t work that way.

ADA along with LA will both get the opportunity to prove their worth once some of the inevitable injuries occur.

Will they stick?

Maybe...Maybe not..

 

[Tawnos]

How will Anderson not be exempt? That Rychel reference is the only case I've seen and it almost seems like it was a mistaker

Because the age for what counts as an accrued professional season is different than what counts as an accrued contract year. It’s complicated, but it’s basically the fact that Andersson turns 20 before December 31, so this year counts as accrued no matter what. (Again, different set of rules than what governs contract slides)

Although if the expansion draft is in June 2020, then he will be exempt, since that’s the end of next season.

 

[TheTakedown]

Because the age for what counts as an accrued professional season is different than what counts as an accrued contract year. It’s complicated, but it’s basically the fact that Andersson turns 20 before December 31, so this year counts as accrued no matter what. (Again, different set of rules than what governs contract slides)

Although if the expansion draft is in June 2020, then he will be exempt, since that’s the end of next season.

That is the timeline I was working on. Nvm we are on the same page

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The amount of chest beating in here before the season has even started is hilarious.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[silverfish]

Awkward!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think the media just wants to watch this place burn.


... should have been Hajek.

 

[Fvital92]

This is funny.

 

[offdacrossbar]

and ADA was one of our best Dmen in camp. neither starting.

ironic.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Heh

What a troll by the last remaining beats covering this team

 

[Tawnos]

If a prospect puts in a great performance, but also has the largest amount of room to grow (as a player AND as a pro)... that’s how you get a situation where he earns an award and still gets sent down.