Unless Rangers start tanking either intentionally through coaching or through fire sale trades I think we are 15th to 20th in NHL.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Dilly Dilly - Lets Tank!
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Looks like we failed to sign the Shmuckoff guy:
https://www.tsn.ca/capitals-ink-shumakov-to-one-year-deal-1.1166123
fantastic job, not trading away Namestnikov just keeps paying dividends.
https://www.tsn.ca/capitals-ink-shumakov-to-one-year-deal-1.1166123
fantastic job, not trading away Namestnikov just keeps paying dividends.
I'd say thw philosophy was different, in the Torts era it was about character and toughness. They went for the skaters without looking at hockey IQ for a while.
I think that's changed.
Looking at character and speed now along with skill.
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What do Namestnikov and Shumakov have to do with each other?
Etem wasn't the main part of the trade. It was Gropp who unless he figures it out and gets involved this season will end up busting.
If Shattenkirk stinks it will only be two years left. Rangers have a bunch of guys on ELCs who will be affordable for a few years. They also need to have guys to protect in Expansion slots. They'll have the minimum. Right now it's Zibanejad, Buch, Shattenkirk, Skjei, Smith, Staal, Lundqvist, Georgiev. Gorton will be feasting as teams will be begging him to take on contracts for assets and prospects come the Seattle expansion and at that point they may be at least a Wild Card team.
I still don't get the Panarin obsession here. Seguin is a RH shot #1 center and has done it for more years more consistently than Bread Man. He's the one to sign. All these people saying he's going to resign in Dallas, I'v asked on this board and said share those links. They don't exist. He's an incredibly competitive alpha who wants to be the #1 guy. They did a whole thing about that in his draft. Dallas hasn't really improved and Bishop was exposed as an average goalie out of TBL. You can bet your bottom dollar if Dallas doesn't make some noise in the playoffs he's out of there.
Etem wasn't the main part of the trade. It was Gropp who unless he figures it out and gets involved this season will end up busting.
If Shattenkirk stinks it will only be two years left. Rangers have a bunch of guys on ELCs who will be affordable for a few years. They also need to have guys to protect in Expansion slots. They'll have the minimum. Right now it's Zibanejad, Buch, Shattenkirk, Skjei, Smith, Staal, Lundqvist, Georgiev. Gorton will be feasting as teams will be begging him to take on contracts for assets and prospects come the Seattle expansion and at that point they may be at least a Wild Card team.
I still don't get the Panarin obsession here. Seguin is a RH shot #1 center and has done it for more years more consistently than Bread Man. He's the one to sign. All these people saying he's going to resign in Dallas, I'v asked on this board and said share those links. They don't exist. He's an incredibly competitive alpha who wants to be the #1 guy. They did a whole thing about that in his draft. Dallas hasn't really improved and Bishop was exposed as an average goalie out of TBL. You can bet your bottom dollar if Dallas doesn't make some noise in the playoffs he's out of there.
Yeah I think pro scouting has been a big issue.
I wanna give Names a little more time. But he also seems to be a bit of a honey trap for someone watching the NHL not really grasping what the game is about. I pointed at a few things when we got him and I have definitely just confirmed those suspicions to a larger extent after seing him here...
Flashy skating and stickhandling, can hustle. But I just don’t see the smarts. I don’t see him reading the game, getting involved enough. We will see, new team, maybe he just need a little time here. New coach. But if he can’t take off it’s yet another sign of something being seriously wrong with our proscouting.
Etem was another honey trap. I saw him here and there in Anaheim. Small role. Liked what I saw, thought he had potential. But then after seing him in full view in NY — it immidiasy became obvious just how big shortages he had in some areas. He was not even close.
Falling for those type of honey traps just should never happen with the resources we have. It’s easy to have a big mouth behind a keyboard, but I am fairly certain I wouldn’t make mistakes like that and I am a effin fan/hobby observer of the game.
WPB- Being a huge Panarin fan for a long time — I’ve also noticed how all of a sudden his stock seem to have taken off completely lately. Like all of a sudden he is Pat Kane II. I would of course be interested in getting him — but certainly not at any cost. He isn’t a top top player, 12-13m for him long term is a big risk. But I still nurture some kind of naive dream that he might not get more than 8m per, but...
However with Seguin there is no grey area, he will get 7x13 if he hits the market. That is a lot of money...
However with Seguin there is no grey area, he will get 7x13 if he hits the market. That is a lot of money...
without Namestnikov we could have guaranteed Schmakoff a roster spot, and it is not a good idea to fill up so many roster spots with questionable Russians.
Etem maybe wasn't main part of the trade, but so what? neither was ADA and Namestnikov.
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They are likely on same level, but we could have traded one for picks and signed the other for free.
Tawnos
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Highly doubt that. It's not because Namestnikov doesn't have any value, but I don't think there was a whole lot of appetite for trades in general in June. And certainly no one was going to trade picks for him in July.
then what was the point of targeting Namestnikov or they are lying to us that they really wanted him?
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Which will still be the highest pick we've had in decades and a great spot to draft a future star. The higher the better, of course. But I'd be extremely happy with a top-4 pick
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They did not target either Etem, ADA or Namestnikov. Those were pieces offered during negotiations for assets they wanted to offload.
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Tawnos
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The incoherence in this post makes my head hurt. The potential answer to that question is that the point of targeting Namestnikov is that they're not lying to us and they really wanted him.
If I'm understanding correctly (and I don't know that I am), the idea that he was acquired with the intention of being flipped is entirely a fan invention.
I think Tampa wanted to dump him, and Rangers came up with BS that they wanted him for years.
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I think you are confusing red flags with lighting the red lamp. I seriously wonder if your girlfriend left you for a Russian guy or something.
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The most important player who regularly had subpar games. Also the context is whether his absence pushes the team into bottom 5 territory, not whether the team is a playoff staple.
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Someone asked if we could fit Panarin and Seguin into the same salary cap. Rough estimate.
Panarin(9)-Seguin(10.7)-Kravtsov(.65)
Kreider(4.625)-Zibanejad(5.35)-Buchnevich(5.25)
Andersson(.75)-Howden(.65)-Chytil(.75)
Vesey(2.275)-Fontaine(.65)-Fast(1.85)
Beleskey(3.8)
Skjei(5.25)-Shattenkirk(6.65)
Smith(4.35)-Pionk(.925)
Rykov(.65)-Hajek(.65)
Staal(5.7)
Lundqvist(8.5)
Shestyorkin(.65)
Cap hit of team: 79.625
Dead money: 3.61
Projected Cap: 83
Total Cap Hit: 83.235
I ran some basic projections here. Not all these salaries are set, so the numbers might be slightly off. The cap for next season isn't set, but there was a 4.5M increase this season. I projected a 3.5M increase to be safe. A bigger cap increase would obviously help out with signing these two.
Besides that, it would require getting rid of two of three salaries among Spooner, Namestnikov and Beleskey. Probably easier to get rid of the first two compared to the latter who we might have to throw something in for. We can't retain salary either. We'd be right at the limit. The good news here is that we'd probably be good cap-wise if we can get this to work for that season. We'd be gaining about 14M from the previous year's cap between those three contracts coming off and the decrease in price of the Girardi buyout. We'd need to finance raises for Kreider, Fast and Pionk for that offseason. I think that can easily be done within a 14M price range.
Maybe an outside chance that we'd need to finance raises for Andersson and Chytil, which could cause some problems, but then again, some of the older roster players are probably going once they get their raises, so if we are giving out raises to those guys, it might mean that we don't re-sign a Kreider or Fast. After that season, we have huge amounts of money coming off the following season with Lundqvist, Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith all having their contracts up, which will be 25.2M off the cap. It also goes without saying that Hayes and Zuccarello cannot be back for Seguin and Panarin to both play on our team next season.
Panarin(9)-Seguin(10.7)-Kravtsov(.65)
Kreider(4.625)-Zibanejad(5.35)-Buchnevich(5.25)
Andersson(.75)-Howden(.65)-Chytil(.75)
Vesey(2.275)-Fontaine(.65)-Fast(1.85)
Beleskey(3.8)
Skjei(5.25)-Shattenkirk(6.65)
Smith(4.35)-Pionk(.925)
Rykov(.65)-Hajek(.65)
Staal(5.7)
Lundqvist(8.5)
Shestyorkin(.65)
Cap hit of team: 79.625
Dead money: 3.61
Projected Cap: 83
Total Cap Hit: 83.235
I ran some basic projections here. Not all these salaries are set, so the numbers might be slightly off. The cap for next season isn't set, but there was a 4.5M increase this season. I projected a 3.5M increase to be safe. A bigger cap increase would obviously help out with signing these two.
Besides that, it would require getting rid of two of three salaries among Spooner, Namestnikov and Beleskey. Probably easier to get rid of the first two compared to the latter who we might have to throw something in for. We can't retain salary either. We'd be right at the limit. The good news here is that we'd probably be good cap-wise if we can get this to work for that season. We'd be gaining about 14M from the previous year's cap between those three contracts coming off and the decrease in price of the Girardi buyout. We'd need to finance raises for Kreider, Fast and Pionk for that offseason. I think that can easily be done within a 14M price range.
Maybe an outside chance that we'd need to finance raises for Andersson and Chytil, which could cause some problems, but then again, some of the older roster players are probably going once they get their raises, so if we are giving out raises to those guys, it might mean that we don't re-sign a Kreider or Fast. After that season, we have huge amounts of money coming off the following season with Lundqvist, Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith all having their contracts up, which will be 25.2M off the cap. It also goes without saying that Hayes and Zuccarello cannot be back for Seguin and Panarin to both play on our team next season.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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I wasn't sure what to put them as. The way I understand it, rookies who don't have any service time yet have the minimum cap hit, while guys who have some service time, but not a lot usually have a cap hit between 100K-300K above the minimum.
But does it really matter? If I underestimated the rookie contracts by .5M total, I don't think thats keeping the team from signing two contracts that'll equal nearly 20M per year.
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If they don't play, someone else takes their spot so there's a cap-hit anyway of at least ~900k each unless they are replaced by players with a minimum cap hit.
You also have Beleskey at 3.8m when his cap hit is 1.9m with Boston retaining 50%
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