Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Dilly Dilly - Lets Tank!

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Columbus, I would imagine, but I see no reason to make that deal for the Rangers. IF we want him, sign him as a UFA. If he doesn't make it to UFA, oh well.

My thought process was that if the Rangers is the team he actually wants to be with, I think it would be in Columbus best interest to get a good asset for him that can still help them this year.

Regarding Zuccs/Torts, the player is 5+ years older and has developed into a player that Torts would love to have. Both player and coach have changed quite a bit since they were last together
 
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My thought process was that if the Rangers is the team he actually wants to be with, I think it would be in Columbus best interest to get a good asset for him that can still help them this year.

Of course it would be, but it wouldn't be in our best interest. If Panarin wants to be a Ranger, then why give up any assets at all? Wait until he hits free agency.

Columbus can trade him as a rental to some other team, or keep him for their playoff run.
 
Dom the stats guy on The Athletic is ranking the teams from bottom to the top. One team per day. The Rangers are the team today. 28th overall.

That’s why depending on goaltending for success carries the most volatility for any team (see: Canadiens, Montreal), thanks to how little we know about accurately projecting the position. A strong roster of skaters is a much safer bet when it comes to building a team, and that is something the Rangers don’t currently possess. They’re one of five teams without an elite player as defined by this model.

Mika Zibanejad and Chris Kreider are the closest at the moment, but at ages 25 and 27 what you see now is likely what you get. Both players are capable first-liners who can score 50-60 points, but not much more barring an unexpected breakout. They aren’t players that would be anchoring a top line on a contending team.

For Zibanejad, there are some concerns under the surface too. His 54-point pace over the last two seasons is solid, but nothing to write home about for a player at the top of the lineup, especially since a lot of it was by way of the power play. At 5-on-5 last season, his 1.35 points per 60 ranked 11th on the team, somehow behind an exiled David Desharnais. Zibanejad did improve his two-way game too (despite what his plus-minus indicates) with one of the league’s best relative Corsi percentages last season, but it’s awfully curious that his improvement came once he was on a line with Kreider, who has earned a reputation for driving play (though it’s worth noting Kredier’s ability to exit and enter the zone with control dipped last season).

Pavel Buchnevich rounds out the top line and it’ll be interesting to see how he fares in his second full season now that he no longer has permanent residency in the doghouse. But unless he unleashes a monster season, the Rangers will have one of the weakest top lines in the league. If hockey is a strong link game, this team is in trouble up front.

The Rangers’ depth also looks rather thin. There’s a lot to be desired, and the team has several potential
lineup configurations, meaning much is in flux.

The second line, as currently constructed, looks to be one of the worst in the league thanks to forwards that aren’t very strong at possessing the puck at 5-on-5. Both Kevin Hayes and Ryan Spooner can rack up points, but it comes at a cost in their own end, while Jimmy Vesey hasn’t done much of anything in his short NHL career so far to suggest he’s more than a dime-a-dozen fourth liner.

That threesome would get eaten alive by other second lines and likely works better as a sheltered scoring line, but that may not be possible. The entire bottom six will need sheltering considering a number of holes are being filled by young players. There’s only so much sheltering a coach can do – someone is going to have to be fed to the wolves, leaving the team with the potential for a lot of future matchup woes.

The third line actually looks decent enough that it should be the team’s second unit, but it’s unlikely the team wants to expose 2017 first-round pick Filip Chytil to the difficulties of playing further up the lineup just yet. He still needs to adjust to the NHL game and will need support. That’ll likely come by way of help from his wingers, with veterans Vladislav Namestnikov and Mats Zuccarello, two second-line calibre players, slated to play by his side. Those two should be able to elevate the line’s play and Chytil’s game, but his numbers to date suggest he has a lot of work to do to adapt to the big leagues.

The fourth line features three players who can actually skate – unless Cody McLeod factors in – though none are projected to provide much value and it’s unlikely they get exposed to tough usage with two rookies slotted in. With rookies Chytil, Lias Andersson and Michael Lindqvist likely to make the team, it’s worth noting that first-year players are among the toughest projections to pin down. They can easily surprise, and that is something that could make the Rangers more competitive. But their trio’s numbers outside the NHL suggest that’s less likely compared to other high-profile rookies.

The forwards aren’t great by any means, but New York’s defence is a much bigger problem, especially after the team dealt Ryan McDonagh at last year’s trade deadline. Shattenkirk is the top guy and he’ll need a huge bounce-back season after a disastrous first one with the Rangers. Injuries played a big part in his numbers falling across the board at 5-on-5 (he posted some of the worst point totals and shot shares of his career), so a rebound isn’t exactly out of the question, but his fall is still alarming. His foot speed has been a big question mark the past few seasons as the league has become faster, and the fact he has one of the league’s worst projected penalty differentials for the upcoming season at minus-18 is also a bad sign. The last two seasons have been especially bad for Shattenkirk.

It doesn’t help that his play with the puck took a big hit last year, too. Shattenkirk was much less effective at exiting the defensive zone, entering the offensive zone and creating while in there according to data collected by Corey Sznajder. Meanwhile, he was elite in all three regards in 2016-17, as should be expected from a premier puck-mover. Getting back to that level will be critical to Shattenkirk having success again.

Even if he rediscovers his game, the big question with him is whether he can succeed as “The Guy” back there. In St. Louis, he did well in the past as the second fiddle behind Alex Pietrangelo, but it remains to be seen whether he can continue at that level while being counted on to shut down the opponent’s best players – if that’s his job next season. This upcoming year might be telling if he’s able to, or if he is of the same ilk as Mike Green. If you’ve seen how Detroit’s defence operates lately, you’ll know the latter is far from an ideal scenario.

There aren’t many other options for the Rangers, though. It makes sense to keep Shattenkirk away from the tough minutes to leverage his offensive capabilities to his full potential (like Brent Burns in San Jose, who can depend on Marc-Edouard Vlasic to do the heavy lifting), but that might not be possible in New York. The Rangers could call on Marc Staal to fill that void, but his reputation far exceeds his abilities at this point of his career. Brady Skjei is fine, but I’m not sure the team trusts him more than Shattenkirk. Brendan Smith was sent to the AHL last year and needs sheltering – he’s best suited for the third pair. Fredrik Claesson couldn’t handle a spot next to Erik Karlsson in Ottawa. And Neal Pionk got caved in on the shot clock regularly at the end of last season when an injury-riddled Rangers team forced him to be tasked with tough usage. His 40 per cent Corsi was last on the Rangers and near the bottom of the league. The far from illustrious group is unlikely to be able to handle the best other teams throw at them.

If they can’t, good luck next season. Like Detroit and Vancouver, a weak defence group will likely be this team’s biggest hindrance heading into next season – and is the main reason New York likely won’t accomplish much in the standings in 2018-19. A sparse forward group and lack of star power across the lineup doesn’t help, either.

However, like other weak teams, the Rangers struggling to compete next season should be a blessing in the long run. This team is very far from contention as it’s currently constructed, and bottoming out is the fastest way to get back to the top of the league.

2018-19 NHL Season Preview: New York Rangers

Not much to disagree about.

The Rangers better pray Shattenkirk isn't the next Mike Green. They have this guy under contract for three more years at nearly $7M per. That's the issue with free agency. Buyer beware and this forum is full of free agent talk. Crazy.
 
What is the obsession with trading Namestnikov? People have been beating this drum for 6 months now, it makes me curious what kind of return is being expected.

Because maybe he isn't any good, and his stats are way inflated from playing on a line with two elite players last season. He absolutely sucked in the offensive and defensive zones.
 
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Dom the stats guy on The Athletic is ranking the teams from bottom to the top. One team per day. The Rangers are the team today. 28th overall.



2018-19 NHL Season Preview: New York Rangers

Not much to disagree about.

The Rangers better pray Shattenkirk isn't the next Mike Green. They have this guy under contract for three more years at nearly $7M per. That's the issue with free agency. Buyer beware and this forum is full of free agent talk. Crazy.

It's a 4-year deal. Let's not pretend that this contract is an anchor.
 
Dom the stats guy on The Athletic is ranking the teams from bottom to the top. One team per day. The Rangers are the team today. 28th overall.



2018-19 NHL Season Preview: New York Rangers

Not much to disagree about.

The Rangers better pray Shattenkirk isn't the next Mike Green. They have this guy under contract for three more years at nearly $7M per. That's the issue with free agency. Buyer beware and this forum is full of free agent talk. Crazy.

An offensive defender capable of putting up 50 points?

Yeah, let's hope hes not that
 
Dom the stats guy on The Athletic is ranking the teams from bottom to the top. One team per day. The Rangers are the team today. 28th overall.



2018-19 NHL Season Preview: New York Rangers

Not much to disagree about.

The Rangers better pray Shattenkirk isn't the next Mike Green. They have this guy under contract for three more years at nearly $7M per. That's the issue with free agency. Buyer beware and this forum is full of free agent talk. Crazy.

Reasonable assessment of the state of the Rangers coming into the season but way too pessimistic or reserved, if you will.

1. If they stay healthy KZB first line will surprise.

2. Very harsh on Vesey (“dime a dozen” was uncalled for) but if they were putting a second line to take tough minutes then it should be Fast, not Vesey with Hayes and Spooner.

3. Names - Chytil - Zuke is a 2b line that should be able to produce against opponents’ bottom 6.

4. Vesey - Andersson - Nieves / Lettieri should be adequate.

5. There is no way around it that D is the weakest link. But how bad or passable for a non-contending team this group performs will depend on how quickly Quinn’s system is adopted and Skjei, ADA and Pionk continue to develop while Shattenkirk and Smith recover from a disastrous last season. There’s virtually no room to be worse but plenty of room to be better.

6. If Lundqvist steals at least two months worth of games prior to TD then this group could be playoff bubble team until they run out of gas and wind up in 7-12 lottery spot again.
 
Dom the stats guy on The Athletic is ranking the teams from bottom to the top. One team per day. The Rangers are the team today. 28th overall.



2018-19 NHL Season Preview: New York Rangers

Not much to disagree about.

The Rangers better pray Shattenkirk isn't the next Mike Green. They have this guy under contract for three more years at nearly $7M per. That's the issue with free agency. Buyer beware and this forum is full of free agent talk. Crazy.
Well, hopefully this article is correct and we suck this year, I still think that this team won't be a bottom 5 team, we will probably finish in the same spot that we ended up last season.
 
Dom the stats guy on The Athletic is ranking the teams from bottom to the top. One team per day. The Rangers are the team today. 28th overall.



2018-19 NHL Season Preview: New York Rangers

Not much to disagree about.

The Rangers better pray Shattenkirk isn't the next Mike Green. They have this guy under contract for three more years at nearly $7M per. That's the issue with free agency. Buyer beware and this forum is full of free agent talk. Crazy.

Pretty much what I've been saying this off-season.
 
I still think 28th overall, along with the other 30th overall predictions, is a bit harsh. For the long term goal, it would be a fine result since it's a pretty good shot at a top 5 pick but I just can't see Lundqvist letting it get to that. He may have only posted a sub 915 save percentage the past two years but I think a fair contribution to that is the unorganized disaster in their own zone that Vigneault's system caused. He played an absurd amount of games and faced an absurd amount of shots and quality chances that he was bound to buckle at some point.

Idk, we'll see. I think anything from bottom 5 to a wild card spot is a fair take. There really are a number of important questions that have to be answered when the season starts which is kind of funny considering they're bringing back essentially the same team minus the coaching staff that finished the season.
 
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I still think 28th overall, along with the other 30th overall predictions, is a bit harsh. For the long term goal, it would be a fine result since it's a pretty good shot at a top 5 pick but I just can't see Lundqvist letting it get to that. He may have only posted a sub 915 save percentage the past two years but I think a fair contribution to that is the unorganized disaster in their own zone that Vigneault's system caused. He played an absurd amount of games and faced an absurd amount of shots and quality chances that he was bound to buckle at some point.

Idk, we'll see. I think anything from bottom 5 to a wild card spot is a fair take. There really are a number of important questions that have to be answered when the season starts which is kind of funny considering they're bringing back essentially the same team minus the coaching staff that finished the season.

I really think that's misstated. Yes, they're bringing back the same team they played the final 20 games... but they're also without their #1 D for the bulk of last season. We can argue how Spooner/Namestnikov/Holden compare to Miller/Nash/Pionk+, but there's no doubt that a key component, and arguably most important member, of the team for most of last season is gone.
 
Another way to think of it: looking at last year's All-Star rosters, and this is no real insult to Hank when you look at who you're comparing him against, who has a worse "best player" than the Rangers? Detroit, Montreal, maybe Arizona, maaaaybe Carolina, probably not the Islanders. So the depth has to be great to compensate for that, and at least on D we don't have the depth either.
 
What is the obsession with trading Namestnikov? People have been beating this drum for 6 months now, it makes me curious what kind of return is being expected.

maybe because he is a stopgap for younger prospects and not part of the future, what is the point of not trading him?
 
The Ranger don't have any intention of trading Namestnikov without seeing him play for an extended period first. For whatever reason, they were eyeing him for a long time and have said so.

Honestly, the season can't start fast enough - some of these summer-I'm-bored-posts are excruciating lol.

I think Rangers need to improve their pro scouting department a bit. First they target ADA, now Namestnikov, neither are anything special. Prior to that they targeted Etem and a bunch of other busts.
 
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