Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Dilly Dilly - Lets Tank!

[Edge]

I don't expect the Rangers are going to be moving Zuccarello anytime real soon to be honest. There's not that many teams that haven't already done what they're going to do and are just waiting for training camp/season to start or have the cap space/prospect dynamic to make it worthwhile for the Rangers to trade for him now. Personally if I were moving him I'd try to have as many teams as possible involved. So unless you're talking about the Rangers extending Mats I'd be surprised.

I'd be shocked to see them extend him at this point.

Even if they don't trade him, which is a higher probability, I think they'd want to see how he does this season.

I would imagine there's some concern over the severity of the head injury he received a few years back, and whether trends and his play over the last two seasons represent the start of a decline.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I don't expect the Rangers are going to be moving Zuccarello anytime real soon to be honest. There's not that many teams that haven't already done what they're going to do and are just waiting for training camp/season to start or have the cap space/prospect dynamic to make it worthwhile for the Rangers to trade for him now. Personally if I were moving him I'd try to have as many teams as possible involved. So unless you're talking about the Rangers extending Mats I'd be surprised.

I agree. I’d expect to see him start being shopped around January and finally moved at the deadline.

Love Zucc, but he’s potentially the best W on the market right now, and I could see a team like Florida or Dallas needing him as a scoring boost. If he takes another sweetheart deal, I’d happily extend him for 3-4 years

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I agree. I’d expect to see him start being shopped around January and finally moved at the deadline.

Love Zucc, but he’s potentially the best W on the market right now, and I could see a team like Florida or Dallas needing him as a scoring boost. If he takes another sweetheart deal, I’d happily extend him for 3-4 years

I'm in the same boat, although I strongly prefer we move him and continue allocating as many future assets as possible.

 

[silverfish]

I'd be shocked to see them extend him at this point.

Even if they don't trade him, which is a higher probability, I think they'd want to see how he does this season.

I would imagine there's some concern over the severity of the head injury he received a few years back, and whether trends and his play over the last two seasons represent the start of a decline.

Any decline in Zucc's game is far more likely due to age and not the head injury. His 16-17 season was just as good as his 15-16. Scored less goals, but the point totals were still there, and his on-ice impacts were better.

 

[Edge]

Any decline in Zucc's game is far more likely due to age and not the head injury. His 16-17 season was just as good as his 15-16. Scored less goals, but the point totals were still there, and his on-ice impacts were better.

Age would/could potentially be another factor in any decision at this point.

I think we almost forget that Zucc will play this season at 31 years of age, and any multi-year contract extension beyond this season is looking at his age 32+ seasons. Not that it's a death sentence by any means, but the expectation for many players sticking in the NHL well into their mid or late 30s is no longer as much of a given as it used to be. I don't necessarily know, but highly doubt that there's the same sense of urgency to lock up a 31 year old player to a long term deal like there is with a 27 year old player.

Even if the team extends him, I can't see it happening until the new year.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I like Zucc but using up money on him to extend is a bad move

 

[silverfish]

I like Zucc but using up money on him to extend is a bad move

Depends on what the plan is. Yeah, if it's a 3-year plan because that's what it has to be for some reason, then sure, don't extend the guy and trade him. But if the plan is to come out firing in 19-20, then I'd have no issue re-upping Zucc at market value for a will be 32 year-old winger.

 

[Webster]

I think there are a few things you don't understand. Zucc is a lot more valuable to the Rangers than any other team want to pay, and if they extend him he's not going to hurt the team. And keep this in mind..

1. Hank wants him to stay, believe it or not but it's going to be a tougher mission for Hank without Zucc.
2. Slats loves him, there's a reason why he attended his charity game and contributed with a generous donation.
3. Fans really buy a lot of #36 gear, he's right up there with Hank. Then sponsors...a money maker for the team.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Zucc is a lot more valuable to the Rangers than any other team want to pay, and if they extend him he's not going to hurt the team. And keep this in mind..

You don't know this. It depends on what teams are willing to pay for him.

1. Hank wants him to stay, believe it or not but it's going to be a tougher mission for Hank without Zucc.

Irrelevant. Gorton has already shown he doesn't let players affect his decision-making. Him asking Lundqvist to waive, or at least informing him they were open to trading him, shows that.

2. Slats loves him, there's a reason why he attended his charity game and contributed with a generous donation.

Irrelevant. Sather is no longer in charge. Gorton is the GM

3. Fans really buy a lot of #36 gear, he's right up there with Hank. Then sponsors...a money maker for the team.

Irrelevant. James Dolan doesn't need the money. And it's not as if the Rangers struggled to sell jerseys before Zuccarello was on the team. Fans will find a new sweetheart to cheer for and have on the back of their jersey

 

[Webster]

Believe what you want Amazing Kreiderman, but I think you should let the two gentlemen you mentioned decide whether all that stuff is relevant or not.

 

[Tawnos]

Zucc is a lot more valuable to the Rangers than any other team want to pay, and if they extend him he's not going to hurt the team. And keep this in mind..

Not for nothing, but a 2nd rounder in next year's draft is more likely to have value to the future of this organization than Zuccarello is and I think they can get more for him than that. That's coming from someone who loves Zuccarello. It's just an assessment of the risk involved with the way older players decline and what that means for a 31-year player 3 years down the road. If they extend him, fine... but I don't think your statement is accurate in the slightest.

 

[mrmovies779]

I think there are a few things you don't understand. Zucc is a lot more valuable to the Rangers than any other team want to pay, and if they extend him he's not going to hurt the team. And keep this in mind..

1. Hank wants him to stay, believe it or not but it's going to be a tougher mission for Hank without Zucc.
2. Slats loves him, there's a reason why he attended his charity game and contributed with a generous donation.
3. Fans really buy a lot of #36 gear, he's right up there with Hank. Then sponsors...a money maker for the team.

None of this matters when a team is rebuilding and is trying to acquire as many assets/picks as possible.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Believe what you want Amazing Kreiderman, but I think you should let the two gentlemen you mentioned decide whether all that stuff is relevant or not.

Sather and Dolan? They're not the ones who decide if Zuccarello is traded or not.

 

[Lion Hound]

I think there are a few things you don't understand. Zucc is a lot more valuable to the Rangers than any other team want to pay, and if they extend him he's not going to hurt the team. And keep this in mind..

1. Hank wants him to stay, believe it or not but it's going to be a tougher mission for Hank without Zucc.
2. Slats loves him, there's a reason why he attended his charity game and contributed with a generous donation.
3. Fans really buy a lot of #36 gear, he's right up there with Hank. Then sponsors...a money maker for the team.

1- Probably holds some weight. No denying these two are buddies and Hank has a lot of say with this club.

2- Might be accurate but it's not Slats team anymore. If Gorton wants him out he's going.

3- Irrelevant. Team is the highest grossing franchise in the NHL. None of that is really Zucc's doing. When gone fans will find another # for their sweaters...Chytil, Andersson, Kravtsov etc.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think there are a few things you don't understand. Zucc is a lot more valuable to the Rangers than any other team want to pay, and if they extend him he's not going to hurt the team. And keep this in mind..

1. Hank wants him to stay, believe it or not but it's going to be a tougher mission for Hank without Zucc.
2. Slats loves him, there's a reason why he attended his charity game and contributed with a generous donation.
3. Fans really buy a lot of #36 gear, he's right up there with Hank. Then sponsors...a money maker for the team.

All things you could have said about Sean Avery.

They tossed him aside like a used contraceptive.

This team will be better in the long run if they trade Zuccarello than if they extend him. Have we learned nothing from Staal and Girardi?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I think there are a few things you don't understand. Zucc is a lot more valuable to the Rangers than any other team want to pay, and if they extend him he's not going to hurt the team. And keep this in mind..

1. Hank wants him to stay, believe it or not but it's going to be a tougher mission for Hank without Zucc.
2. Slats loves him, there's a reason why he attended his charity game and contributed with a generous donation.
3. Fans really buy a lot of #36 gear, he's right up there with Hank. Then sponsors...a money maker for the team.

Jersey sales aren't relevant enough to commit to Zucc.

Henrik is my favorite all time Ranger, but it's pretty clear the direction Gorton is taking this team isn't based around what Henrik wants. If that was the case, we wouldn't have done a rebuild in the first place.

Slats is the President of our club. The charity event had a lot of players in the organization, and out of the organization there.

 

[EpicDing]

Depends on what the plan is. Yeah, if it's a 3-year plan because that's what it has to be for some reason, then sure, don't extend the guy and trade him. But if the plan is to come out firing in 19-20, then I'd have no issue re-upping Zucc at market value for a will be 32 year-old winger.

I think your second scenario is a lot closer to what the team wants to do than the first. If they re-up Zucc I bet they give him the C too.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ryan Callahan was near the top of the league in jersey sales the year he got traded.

 

[Irishguy42]

*clap emoji* Jesery *clap emoji* sales *clap emoji* don't *clap emoji* dictate *clap emoji* player *clap emoji* value *clap emoji*

 

[kovazub94]

I think there are lots of ways yo win in the nhl...but there's a few Staples of almost every team.
You need either a metric ton of really good players..or you need a few generational type guys who can make everyone else appear way better than they are.
You need luck.
And you need to have as few bad contracts as possible.

To me that's it. I'm not sure speed alone wins. I'm not sure size alone wins. I'm not sure about having an elite goalie vs elite center vs vs vs... to me it's all about how many elite players do you have....and if you don't have many or even any..then how many really really good players do you have.

Then of course you need health, and luck.....and not have a jackass named a.v. coaching your team.

It’s not or - you need both. Even elite need a good team around them who perform at their best, almost each and all. Do we forget prime Towes and Hossa behind Kane and Keith, or Kessel on a third line with Bonino, or Fleury without whom Pens don’t go past Caps a year ago? Otherwise we will argue to no end if certain players are elite or very good (but delivering elite performance).

 

[kovazub94]

I would say, only if they need the cap space. If they don't need the cap space, he can always be a 7D/healthy scratch. If you can afford to roster a player, that's always a better option that buying out a player.

If the Rangers have internal opinions among prospects that proven they are better than Staal in top6 (not in the current state) then pursuing a trade with the organization retaining salary in order to get assets for the rebuild would be preferable, no?

 

[silverfish]

Sather and Dolan? They're not the ones who decide if Zuccarello is traded or not.

Wait until you see what the return is before you say this. If it was bad, it was Sather.

 

[nyr2k2]

If the Rangers have internal opinions among prospects that proven they are better than Staal in top6 (not in the current state) then pursuing a trade with the organization retaining salary in order to get assets for the rebuild would be preferable, no?

Yeah that would be preferable. I don't know that anyone would really want to trade for Staal, though. Even with cap retained. I could be wrong however.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah that would be preferable. I don't know that anyone would really want to trade for Staal, though. Even with cap retained. I could be wrong however.

Staal under $3m for only 2 years should be a valuable piece of a puzzle on the 3rd pair. IMHO better than the one we traded to Boston.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I love Zucc but if we are gonna go the FA Route, I would rather save the $5m (or whatever) and use it towards Panarin or Seguin.