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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Autumn in New York
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There are 3 players named in that post that suck
I'm OK with Carey on the team tbh. I kinda liked his game in the preseason.
For the most part, I'm pretty happy with this lineup. The top two lines and D-pairings are exactly what I was hoping for. To nitpick, few changes that would be nice to see:
- Swap Vesey and Grabner. Vesey should be in the top 9 and Grabner is just a very good 4th liner/penalty killer at this point.
- Replace Staal with Holden or Graves. However, Staal with DeAngelo on the 3rd pairing is probably best case scenario as there was no chance he was getting benched.
- Cut Desjardins. Best thing I can say about him is he's better than Glass.
Actually ok with Carey on the 4th line to start the year until Fast is back.
- Swap Vesey and Grabner. Vesey should be in the top 9 and Grabner is just a very good 4th liner/penalty killer at this point.
- Replace Staal with Holden or Graves. However, Staal with DeAngelo on the 3rd pairing is probably best case scenario as there was no chance he was getting benched.
- Cut Desjardins. Best thing I can say about him is he's better than Glass.
Actually ok with Carey on the 4th line to start the year until Fast is back.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
He looked really solid in the preseason. Wouldn't mind him slotting in as an extra at all.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I have a big problem with Vesey on the fourth line. Is AV really going to play this game again and maybe add Chytil to the Vesey/Buch rotation of young player that gets 7 minutes per game on the fourth line? Vesey is 24 now, second season, projected as a top 9 forward. He's not gonna play in the NHL, if its not the top 9, as he's bad defensively and doesn't add much in the way of physicality or speed.
Grabner had a fluke season, back to the fourth line. Stop messing with this team's future. Grabner was not brought here to play in the top 9, he's a fourth liner for this team. He should not take top 9 time away from any of the skill guys.
Grabner had a fluke season, back to the fourth line. Stop messing with this team's future. Grabner was not brought here to play in the top 9, he's a fourth liner for this team. He should not take top 9 time away from any of the skill guys.
Completely agree regarding Grabner. He his best served as a fourth liner and top level PK.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I don't think it is a fluke. When you have seasons where you score 34 goals, 20 goals, 16 goals in 45 games and 27 goals over the course of 8 years, that means it is not a fluke. One of those years he played 20 games. Removing that season it would mean that more than 50% of the time he scores at a 20+ goal pace per season.
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I wouldn't put too much stock into the 4th line role.
Teams are looking to spread out the scoring more and the days of the traditional 4th are all but disappearing.
Sure they're expected to add some checking but you also have to able to do something with the puck.
Today's 4th line is really a #2 3rd line.
Teams are looking to spread out the scoring more and the days of the traditional 4th are all but disappearing.
Sure they're expected to add some checking but you also have to able to do something with the puck.
Today's 4th line is really a #2 3rd line.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I'll re-word that. He's very inconsistent in his goal scoring. Some seasons he produces goals at a very high rate, other seasons he very clearly does not score enough to play in an NHL top 9. If we were a team with a bunch of question marks in the top 9, I'd agree, give him a chance over another fringe guy, but I don't like the idea of messing with Vesey's start to the season. If Vesey's part of our future, I think he has to be in the top 9 over Grabner. You at least have to give him the chance to prove himself. If he fails, you can go to Grabner.
If Grabner scores goals like he did last year you play him with the players that will help him score more. Start him on the 4th, sure, but don't hold him back if he gets hot. If Vesey isn't scoring and Grabner is, you switch them.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Re-word it as much as you want, you are still wrong. With the exception of the 2015-2016 season, Grabner has produced at a rate of 15 goals over 82 games every year (7 out of 8 seasons). If you want to take into account all 8 years (shortened stints and all), he has averaged a pace of 20+ goals over 82 games for 5 out of 8 years and 2014-2015 he came up just short at 19.2 goals.
All things taken into account, he is actually pretty consistent.
AWall THE CLAW
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Grabner has scored 131 goals in this league, 27 last year, at a 20-goal pace most years, and we are bitching about playing him with familiar linemates with which he has chemistry?
And are we forgetting that he did all this at even-strength? His goals-per-60 at even strength is elite! He can't be getting 6-7 mins at EV game.
And are we forgetting that he did all this at even-strength? His goals-per-60 at even strength is elite! He can't be getting 6-7 mins at EV game.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Goals are only part of the equation. Grabner has scored 35 points twice in his career. He adds nothing in the way of contributing anything to the offense of his line mates. Vesey playing on a line with grinders takes away from his game more than Grabner's. Fast or Desharnais can find a wide open guy going right by the defense, thats Grabner's whole offensive game. Fast and Desharnais are not going to contribute to a traditional offensive approach in the same way that top 9 players will. Part of this is about the future, as well. All things being equal or close to it, ties goes to the guy who's 24 on an ELC and you hope is a solidified top 9 player in a year or two. We can agree to disagree though, no problem with that.
For real.
I'd just take the mid round lottery tickets in this upcoming draft. The Flames gave up quite a bit for Lazar too, I don't think they're going to look to dump him this fast.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I get it. Since the facts don't support your argument you move to things that are extremely subjective in order to defend a completely disproved point.
Algernop Kreider
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It's not just one skill forward stuck on the 4th line. If Chytil sticks when Fast returns, we're looking at a 4th line including Vesey, Desharnais and Fast. None of those guys are plugs. That's a line that would be looked at to provide a real offensive impact.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Since when are points subjective? You are only giving part of the equation, as I mentioned, but whatever, we'll have to wait to see what the coach decides. There could be a different lineup opening day than in practice today.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
They aren't Glass, but they also aren't also more than a complimentary 3rd line piece, at best. These are not high skill guys. Every team around the league has them, they all play on the 4th line, if its a team with depth.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Points aren't but you do a great job presenting only a small part of the story in order to ensure it fits your narrative.
Regarding the points... In 7 out of 8 seasons Grabner has produced at a 30+ points per 82 games pace and over his entire career has produced at an average of 37 points per 82 games.
Does anyone know how to admit they are wrong anymore or do they just defend inaccurate points to the death because that is less painful than admitting they were wrong?
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I can understand not wanting Vesey on the 4th line, but it's not like Desharnais is your typical 4th line center. He's not going to be on a line with Glass and Ott.
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