Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Autumn in New York
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I think with sports it can be a tad different. It's a small "market" for talent in a lot of ways and if you treat your employees like crap it's going to be hard to attract and keep good talent.
I suspect Staal is well liked in the dressing room. You don't want to just treat him like crap, it can leave a bad taste in the mouths of the guys on your team who you are relying on to perform.
But you don't have to play him if he under performs either. Guys in the NHL know that your job can constantly be on the line. Team puts the best players out there and says "I'm sorry Marc but these guys have performed really well and we think they give us the best chance of winning. We appreciate all you've done and understand if you'd rather move on than sit in the press box, we'll work with you to find a suitable trade partner"
What you probably don't say is "Staal you freakin' suck sit your ass down you're never touching this lineup again and you're also overpaid and it's killing our cap, you better accept a trade somewhere else or you'll never play in the NHL on this contract again"
I suspect Staal is well liked in the dressing room. You don't want to just treat him like crap, it can leave a bad taste in the mouths of the guys on your team who you are relying on to perform.
But you don't have to play him if he under performs either. Guys in the NHL know that your job can constantly be on the line. Team puts the best players out there and says "I'm sorry Marc but these guys have performed really well and we think they give us the best chance of winning. We appreciate all you've done and understand if you'd rather move on than sit in the press box, we'll work with you to find a suitable trade partner"
What you probably don't say is "Staal you freakin' suck sit your ass down you're never touching this lineup again and you're also overpaid and it's killing our cap, you better accept a trade somewhere else or you'll never play in the NHL on this contract again"
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yawn.
people get fired from much more stressful jobs that they hate for a lot less than outright sucking at their jobs.
Marc can sit every game the rest of his career for all I care. He makes millions of dollars to be bad at the job he loves the most. 99.9% of the world can't even get either of those luxuries.
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I think the point is they don't need to be as cold about it as the first poster described it.
Nothing wrong with benching him, but no need to take the rude tone he suggested.
Nothing wrong with benching him, but no need to take the rude tone he suggested.
Tawnos
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Two things, although we are getting a little OT. First, just because employees get treated like crap by business all the time doesn’t mean that it’s something that’s ok. I consider the lack of respect shown by businesses to their people to be a major problem in our society, so of course I’m going to have this stance.
Second, who is talking about firing someone? The opposite, in fact. I’m talking about presenting a person with an ultimatum. “We’re not going to fire you, but do this or else.â€
The amount of money he makes is no factor. He’s still a human being with human pride and dignity.
Second, who is talking about firing someone? The opposite, in fact. I’m talking about presenting a person with an ultimatum. “We’re not going to fire you, but do this or else.â€
The amount of money he makes is no factor. He’s still a human being with human pride and dignity.
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Rangers had 3 options with Staal:
1. Play him.
2. Don't play him.
3. Buy him out.
They decided not to do 3. and by the way that's what I and others suggested--but so many people here were like 'no, we can't do that. We bought out Girardi and buying out Staal would be too much'--and we went through the whole buyout thing--how much that would cost over the next several years which wasn't all that much different than if they buy him out next year anyway so they IMO should have bought him out--the point also being that cheaper D like Pionk and DeAngelo etc. could easily be paid for by the buyout savings and there is some of that and we'd at least for the time being would have more cap to work with.
Anyhow the AHL is not an option if he doesn't agree to it. OTOH they don't have to take him on road trips either--like someone suggested they would. They don't have to play him or play him very much. That might or might not change his mind as far as being willing to go somewhere else keeping in mind what team would be interested in taking on his contract I really don't ****ing know. We should have bought him out.
Making things needlessly acrimonious though is the wrong way to go. Blaming a player for his decline because you gave him a contract? Look in the ****ing mirror--who's fault is that? The ******* is you. Not him. Again--we should have bought him out.
1. Play him.
2. Don't play him.
3. Buy him out.
They decided not to do 3. and by the way that's what I and others suggested--but so many people here were like 'no, we can't do that. We bought out Girardi and buying out Staal would be too much'--and we went through the whole buyout thing--how much that would cost over the next several years which wasn't all that much different than if they buy him out next year anyway so they IMO should have bought him out--the point also being that cheaper D like Pionk and DeAngelo etc. could easily be paid for by the buyout savings and there is some of that and we'd at least for the time being would have more cap to work with.
Anyhow the AHL is not an option if he doesn't agree to it. OTOH they don't have to take him on road trips either--like someone suggested they would. They don't have to play him or play him very much. That might or might not change his mind as far as being willing to go somewhere else keeping in mind what team would be interested in taking on his contract I really don't ****ing know. We should have bought him out.
Making things needlessly acrimonious though is the wrong way to go. Blaming a player for his decline because you gave him a contract? Look in the ****ing mirror--who's fault is that? The ******* is you. Not him. Again--we should have bought him out.
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It's getting kinda late at this point but I'd still like to see Hudler get a look. He got hurt last year but he's skilled and can still skate so he may fit the style well. Still want to see Nieves these next couple game but to me he's looked like he'd fit the 4C perfectly. His and Grabner's speed cycling and forechecking would be a killer against team's bottom pairings. As long as sticks his D assignments and limits the turnovers he's my leading candidate.
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Who has been shown more respect by his business than Marc Staal?
He's awful and makes 5 million a year to be awful, with a guaranteed spot, and somehow we've spun that into him being disrespected.
And if they have the right clauses in their contract they get paid out. The Rangers can 'fire' Steal by buying him out and have chosen not to; that's on them
Just waiting for you to admit the real fact, no so much subjective but objective, that, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, which is not always the case, but whenever that is, that it is less skating responsibility for a W than a D. This is especially so where it is a 4th line with heavy checking responsibilities, and as opposed to a D who only has one partner, a W has a C and a D partner to help out WITH LESS TERRITORY to have to cover.
Good catch
Certainly worth a look.
Hmmn
I wanted to take Chara to move Staal or Girardi, usually the latter.
How quickly my critics forget. ... or conveniently fail to mention.
Yes.
Not going back into ancient history when some of us, forget extending Staal, and Girardi among others, wanted to trade him for assets and get ahead of the curve, only to be ruled out by the win now crowd to whom Slats foolishly listened, but just as to recent developments, we should have bought him out. Girardi's NMC turned into limited NTC this July, and while we would have had to eat $ and bribe, he could have been moved more readily as a RD.
Can't jump on GMJG too much, cause he could not have known exactly how well we would have made out on Shattenkirk, etc.
I am on record as having called Staal, properly so at that time, the best pure shutdown D in the league.
But he now has to acknowledge that a critical eye injury, and to a lesser extent a couple of concussions later, have reduced his effectiveness. And if the team comes first --- and it does --- he has to park his ego and work with the team.
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You don't really think Slats, or any other hockey professional reads these boards, much less makes decisions based on what is posted here, do you?
I did not literally mean, nor say, that such opinion was exclusively here. I'm sure in the hockey world outside these boards
yes, there is such existence people had such opinions.That said, I get the feeling that these guys hire someone or two they trust to keep an eye out as to what is said in the press. At one time, that was only printed journalism. Today, that is also any site, so yes, while I don't think it is every day, and I don't say it is Slats personally, I think someone checks these boards and checks the temperature.
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Oh, he does. He thinks he can get a job as AGM, every time a trade happens that he has mentioned at least once in his 500,000 proposals
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I did not literally mean, nor say, that such opinion was exclusively here. I'm sure in the hockey world outside these boards
That said, I get the feeling that these guys hire someone or two they trust to keep an eye out as to what is said in the press. At one time, that was only printed journalism. Today, that is also any site, so yes, while I don't think it is every day, and I don't say it is Slats personally, I think someone checks these boards and checks the temperature.
Dude, there is a huge difference between a website like the NY Post (which is an actual news medium, and HF Boards which is a forum with fans talking about hockey
and yet, it is factual that a contingency was put in and Smith can be moved to half the league.
I see your point about the personal inconvenience, and it is valid. However it is not overwhelming.
In a situation like this, GMJG says look, we gotta max our position, we gotta move you if there is enough profit. This means we owe you one. When your playing days are over, no promises, no illegal quid pro quo, but you want a scouting gig or other appropriate position for which you are qualified, we give everybody equal consideration they deserve, but also we remember this solid you are doing for us.
That balances out things for the family as well.
Dallas has lights out offense.
Improved by adding Radulov
Now add Zuc.
Add Smith and their D is more respectable, more deep.
the weak link is in net, but Bishop, who runs hot and cold, could get unconscious. They need to move Lehtonen, but they have very solid shot, arguably better than Rangers, but depends on too many variables taking shape to be definitive.
Point is, Dallas is not a cup downgrade for Smith
The essential reasons to trade Nash is
1) acquire needed assets
2) instant cap improvement helps any/all options
If rookies happen to be knocking that loudly on the door, that is just a solid + to acknowledge further in favor of trading Nash.
Letting people go because they don't advance business objectives and treating people poorly are two different things.....to maintain a good reputation, treat everyone well whether you move forward with them or not. Just look at the Knicks.....
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And the cap improvement helps us how? How are we using that cap space?
Because...
1.) The free agents available aren't making us better
2.) To acquire big buck players and use the cap space, means giving up assets you hold so dear
You honestly believe Chytil or Andersson will bring more to this team than Nash?
Vigneault not lowering Rangers expectations despite shakeup New York Post, September 24, 2017|
http://nypost.com/2017/09/24/vigneault-not-lowering-rangers-expectations-despite-shakeup/
- A typical journalist way to question performance and then ask difficult, but important questions about season expectations.
http://nypost.com/2017/09/24/vigneault-not-lowering-rangers-expectations-despite-shakeup/
- A typical journalist way to question performance and then ask difficult, but important questions about season expectations.
I`m not against to move Smith to create room for Graves in the future and youths like that, but it`s too early to talk about that now @Bern. You look 2 years into the future with such a comment.
And maybe we should aim for the next generation talent in 2018 draft Rasmus Dahlin instead since we are discussing the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=OMig8EbUFx8
You're missing the point my friend.
We want to exploit we can extract top $ return from Dallas now.
that requires now. not 2 years from now.
It is useful to get top younger assets in return for Smith and Zuc.
It is a side benefit that we also would create room for 2 rookies.
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If you wanted to trade Nash to acquire prospects and use the new cap space to sign Jagr that'd be one thing but they really haven't indicated they have any interest in doing that.
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