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I echo that I am easily one of AV's harshest critics here, but the idea that he's bad for young players, is honestly a lie. He's put plenty of young players in positions to succeed here.

That's not to say his overall player evaluation is lacking, because it is. But generally speaking, he's not even top 10 in "bad coaches for young players".
 
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PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANISATION 2017-2018 (47)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD (23)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status|Team 2016 |Drafted/Acquired |Age 2017
1| F | J.T. Miller |$2.750.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011) |24
2| F | Kevin Hayes |$2,600,000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Chicago (2010)- signed w/NYR as UFA |25
3| D | Brady Skjei (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #28 NYR (2012) |23
4| F | Jimmy Vesey (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #66 Nashville (2012)- signed w/NYR as UFA |24
5| F | Matt Puempel |$725.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Ottawa (2011) - waiver claim 2016 |24
6| F | Rick Nash (NMC) |$7,800,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #1 overall Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) - acquired through trade|33
7| D | Nick Holden |$1,650,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |30
8| F | Michael Grabner |$1,600,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #14 Vancover Canucks (2006) - signed w/NYR as UFA |30
9| F | Ondrej Pavelec |$1,300,000 |UFA 2018 |Winnipeg Jets/NHL |R2 #41 Atlanta Flames (2009) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
10| F | David Desharnais |$1,000,000 |UFA 2018 |Edmonton Oilers/NHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |31
11| D | Ryan McDonagh |$4,700,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 Montreal (2007) - acquired unsigned through trade|28
12| F | Mats Zuccarello (NTC) |$4,500,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |30
13| F | Pavel Buchnevich (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #75 NYR (2013) |22
14| D | Anthony DeAngelo (ELC)|$863,333* |RFA 2019 |Arizona Coyotes/NHL |R1 #19 Tampa Bay (2014) |22
15| F | Chris Kreider |$4,625,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |26
16| F | Jesper Fast(h) LTIR |$1,850.000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #157 NYR (2010) |26
17| F | Lias Andersson (ELC-S)|$925,000* |UFA 2020 |HV71/SHL |R1 #7 NYR (2017) |19
18|F |Filip Chytil (ELC-S) |$925,000* |RFA 2020 |PSG Zlín/Czech Extraliga |R1 #21 NYR (2017) |18
19| G | Henrik Lundqvist (NMC)|$8,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #208 NYR (2000) |35
20| D | Kevin Shattenkirk (NTC)|$6,650,000 |UFA 2021 |Washington Capitals/NHL|R1 #14 Colorado Avalanche (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA|28
21| D | Marc Staal (NMC => NTC)|$5,750,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 NYR (2005) |30
22| D | Brendan Smith (NTC) |$4,350,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #27 Detroit Red Wings (2007) - acquired through trade|28
23| F | Mika Zibanejad |$5,325,000 |UFA 2022 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #6 Ottawa Senators (2011) - acquired through trade |24[/table]

TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $75,000,000
BUYOUTS (Dan Girardi): $2,611,111
SALARY HIT: $71,163,333
SALARY HIT WITH BUYOUT:$72,849,444
CAP SPACE: $1,225,556
LTIR: Jesper Fast (until November?)
14 FWD - 7 D - 2 G
AVERAGE AGE ~ 26.4 years

PTO - Camp Tryouts
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status|Team 2016 |Drafted/Acquired
1|F | Andrew Desjardins |$0 |UFA 2017 |Chicago Blackhawks/NHL |Undrafted - skating w/NYR on a PTO |31
2|F | Bobby Farnham |$0 |UFA 2017 |Montreal CanadiensNHL |Undrafted - skating w/NYR on a PTO |28[/table]

CONTRACTED 2017/2018 BUT LIKELY ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL/ELSEWHERE (24)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2016 |Drafted |Age 2017
24|F |Paul Carey |$650,000 |UFA 2018 |Hershey Bears/AHL |R5 #135 Colorado (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
25|F |Adam Tambellini (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #65 NYR (2013) |23
26|F |Adam Chapie (ELC) |$800.000* |RFA 2018 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |26
27|F |Cristoval Nieves(ELC) |$755.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |23
28|F |Steven Fogarty (ELC) |$750.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #72 NYR (2011) |24
29|F |Malte Strömwall (ELC) |$742.500* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (started w NYR) |24
30|D |Ryan Graves (ELC) |$656,667* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #110 NYR (2013) |22
31|F |Daniel Catenacci |$650,000 |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #77 Buffalo (2011)- acquired through trade |23
32|D |John Gilmour (ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (2012) - signed w/NYR as UFA|24
33|F |Cole Schneider |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Rochester Americans/AHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |27
34|D |Steve Kampfer |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #93 (2007) Anaheim - acquired through trade |29
35|F |Vinni Lettieri (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
36|D |Neil Pionk (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
37|G |Chris Nell (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Bowling Green/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
38| D | Alexei Bereglazov (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Metallurg Magnitogorsk/KHL|Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
39|F |Robin Kovacs (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #62 NYR (2015) |21
40|G |Brandon Halverson (ELC)|$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2014) |21
41|D |Vince Pedrie (ELC) |$767,500* |RFA 2019 |Penn State Univ./NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
42|F |Ryan Gropp (ELC) |$839.166* |RFA 2020 |Seattle Thunderbirds/WHL |R2 #41 NYR (2015) |21
43|G |Alexander Georgiev(ELC)|$792,500* |RFA 2020 |TPS/Liiga Finland |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
44|D |Sean Day (ELC-S) |$775,833* |RFA 2020 |Windsor Spitfires/OHL |R3 #81 NYR (2016) |19
45|F |Dawson Leedahl (ELC)|$749,167* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
46|F |Gabriel Fontaine (ELC)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Rouyn-Noranda Huskies/QMJHL |R6 #171 NYR (2016) |20
47|D |Sergey Zborovskiy (ELC)|$734,166* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |R3 #79 NYR (2015) |20
(48)|F |Timothy Gettinger (ELC-S)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds/OHL|R5 #141 NYR (2016) |19
(49)|F |Scott Kosmachuk @ |$?? |AHL deal |Manitoba Moose/AHL |R3 #70 Winnipeg Jets (2012) |23
(50)|F | Dan DeSalvo@ |$?? |AHL deal |Manitoba Moose/AHL |Undrafted |25
(51)|D | Brenden Kotyk@ |$?? |AHL deal |Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth/NCAA |Undrafted |26
(52)|F |Joe Whitney@ |$?? |AHL deal |Tucson Roadrunners/AHL |Undrafted |29
(53)|F |Eric Selleck @ |$?? |AHL deal |Tuscon Roadrunners/AHL |Undrafted |30
[/table]

* - has additional bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
@ - signed to an AHL deal with Hartford Wolfpack

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT WITH RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (12)
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Team 2017| Height |Weight| Nationality |Shoots|DOB|Drafted
1|G |Igor Shestyorkin |HC SKA /KHL |6' 1"| 190 | Russia |L|December 30, 1995 |R4 #118 NYR (2014)
2|F |Patrik Virta |TPS/Liiga Finland |5' 9" | 180 | Finland |R|March 6, 1996 |R7 #207 NYR (2017)
3|D |Tyler Nanne |Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA |6' 0" | 180 | USA |R|March 17, 1996 |R5 #142 NYR (2014)
4|F |Daniel Bernhardt |BIK Karlskoga/Allsvenskan |6' 3" | 190 | Sweden |L|April 11, 1996 |R4 #119 NYR (2015)
5|D |Brandon Crawley |London Knights/OHL |6' 2" | 205 | USA |L|February 2, 1997 |R4 #123 NYR (2017)
6|F |Dominik Lakatos |Bili Tygri Liberec/Czech Extraliga|6' 0"| 180 |Czech Republic |L|April 8, 1997 |R6 #157 NYR (2017)
7|G |Adam Huska |UConn Huskies/NCAA |6' 4" | 205 | Slovakia |L|May 12, 1997 |R7 #184 NYR (2015)
8|F |Ty Ronning |Vancouver Giants/WHL |5' 9" | 170 | Canada |R|October 20, 1997 |R7 #201 NYR (2016)
9|G |Tyler Wall |UMass Lowell River Hawks/NCAA |6' 3" | 215 | Canada |R|January 14, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2016)
10|D |Tarmo Reunanen | HC TPS/Liiga |6' 0" | 181 | Finland |L|March 1, 1998 |R4 #98 NYR (2016)
11|F |Morgan Barron |Cornell/NCAA |6' 3" | 210 | Canada |R|December 02, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2017)
12|D |Calle Själin |Leksands IF/Allsvenskan |6' 1" | 179 | Sweden |L|September 2, 1999 |R5 #145 NYR (2017)
(13)|F |Carl Klingberg |EV Zug/NLA - rights retained |6' 3" | 212 | Sweden |R|January 28, 1991 |R2 #34 Atlanta (2009)
(14)|F |Niklas Jensen |Jokerit/KHL - rights retained |6' 3" | 216 | Denmark |R|March 6, 1993 |R1 #29 Vancouver (2011)[/table]

2018 DRAFT PICKS (6)
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR

  • We gained a 2nd round pick from Ottawa when we traded Derrick Brassard
  • We then lost Ottawas 2nd round pick to Detroit in the trade for Brendan Smith
  • We then also lost our 7th round pick to Ottawa in the trade for Mika Zibanejad

2019 DRAFT PICKS (7)
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • 7th round NYR

2020 DRAFT PICKS (7)
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • 7th round NYR
 
I'd take a waiver on Gudlevskis if Allaire was interested. He was pretty amazing with Team Latvia 2013-2014. He's already in NYC, if he outplayed Pavelec in camp I'm sure he could be moved.
 
Hope Bereglazov sticks around, but his play with the puck was not good last night to say the least. If he is going to make it to the NHL that has to be corrected.
 
I would have liked to see him get another game simply so that I could determine whether it was nerves or if he just handles the puck like a live grenade. I, unfortunately lean toward the latter, because even as the game went on and he seemed to make some solid defensive plays and gain his barrings he was still just smacking at the puck like a fly he wanted to swat away.
 
Cap space now = $1,225,556
Trade Holden for a 3rd round pick
Kampfer promoted to the big club - Savings $1.000.000
Waive Puempel - $725.000
Cap space = $2.950.556 + Fast on LTIR
Sign Jagr at $2.950.000 + deferrable bonuses
When Fast returns - Chytil goes back to Europe or to NA juniors - 925.000
Cap space = 925.000 which is enough to operate the team

Kreider - Zib - Zucc
Jagr - Hayes - Nash
Vesey - Miller - Buch
Grabner - LA - DD (Fast)

McD - Shatty
Skjei - Smith
Staal - ADA
Kampfer

Hank
Pavs
 
I did not see the game but from what I saw of Bereglazov in KHL, he was solid with the puck. I think he needs to adjust to NA game, rinks.
 
McD37 said:
I did not see the game but from what I saw of Bereglazov in KHL, he was solid with the puck. I think he needs to adjust to NA game, rinks.
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Well, he'll be given the chance to do that in the AHL. It's up to him as to whether or not he wants to put in the work though.
 
Avery16 said:
I'd take a waiver on Gudlevskis if Allaire was interested. He was pretty amazing with Team Latvia 2013-2014. He's already in NYC, if he outplayed Pavelec in camp I'm sure he could be moved.
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Always liked him, really good goalie at the minor league level. I don't really know the mechanics of goaltending other than spotting bad rebounds, but this guy has the tools... maybe not at the NHL level yet though.
 
I'm loving what Lias and Fil are bringing to the table. But if I may caution...

take a look at the once heralded Mikhail Grigorenko, or even Jared McCann and Virtanen...

all of those guys were brought in early at 19... and now they don't look like they can hack it in the league with Grigorenko now out (he'll be a star in the KHL for the next decade).

These are the risks of not letting a teenager grow and dominate the lower levels before expecting them to make a jump that's 2-3 levels of intensity and physicality beyond what they are used to.

The Rangers lack depth, they weren't able to backfill the last few years due to trades, and are in prime position to make the same mistakes Vancouver did with their 2014 1sts.

I'm not opposed to either of the 1sts getting a taste and look see, but it's a long season... and short term thinking can hurt long term progress.
 
Mikos87 said:
I'm loving what Lias and Fil are bringing to the table. But if I may caution...

take a look at the once heralded Mikhail Grigorenko, or even Jared McCann and Virtanen...

all of those guys were brought in early at 19... and now they don't look like they can hack it in the league with Grigorenko now out (he'll be a star in the KHL for the next decade).

These are the risks of not letting a teenager grow and dominate the lower levels before expecting them to make a jump that's 2-3 levels of intensity and physicality beyond what they are used to.

The Rangers lack depth, they weren't able to backfill the last few years due to trades, and are in prime position to make the same mistakes Vancouver did with their 2014 1sts.

I'm not opposed to either of the 1sts getting a taste and look see, but it's a long season... and short term thinking can hurt long term progress.
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All 3 of the players you mentioned played against teenagers in major junior before being drafted.

Lias and Filip both played against men in men's pro leagues, so it is a little different.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
All 3 of the players you mentioned played against teenagers in major junior before being drafted.

Lias and Filip both played against men in men's pro leagues, so it is a little different.
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Agreed, but the point still stands... it's a long season. Very few teenagers make it and play well. There are too many examples of good players ruined. I only say this to temper expectations.

Also, I'm a little disappointed with Gropper... was hoping he'd make a bigger impact.

The Rangers really liked Vince Dunn in 2015, and Gropp, they were hoping to land both, but missed on Dunn by 6 picks (Kovacs). Dunn looks like a stud in the making.
 
Mikos87 said:
I'm not opposed to either of the 1sts getting a taste and look see, but it's a long season... and short term thinking can hurt long term progress.
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Wondering too whats going on there.
They look good for sure, but Lias had a long season in sweden and not much rest in the offseason. 82 games plus playoffs on top of that?
Some have them on the 4th line, how could that be good for their development?

I like the idea of giving them some games, but if they are gone after 9 games, who fills those spots?
Waiver time will be gone.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Well, he'll be given the chance to do that in the AHL. It's up to him as to whether or not he wants to put in the work though.
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I think it’s less about whether he wants to put in the work than where he’s willing to put in the work.

I’m surprised that he got cut this early in camp. The adjustment must be taking longer than they expected. If he sticks around, I expect that we will see him at some point this season.
 
I'd rather pick up a Forward or two on waivers before the season begins than have Farnham or Desjardins. I think the jury is still out on Boo and Puempel but we could upgrade on both. I'm still unsure if I want to give such an early opportunity to Lias and Chytil.


Trade Holden.


Kreider - Ziba - Nash
Buch - Hayes - Zuccarello
Vesey - Miller - Grabner
Puempel (upgrade?) - DD - Boo (upgrade?) (Fast)
xxx

McD - Shatty
Skjei - Smith
Staal (sigh) - DeAngelo
Kampfer

King
Pavelec
 
I`m all in for Holden trade - he seems lost out there this year.
Staal is Staal I doubt we can do anything before next summer.
 
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Raspewtin said:
I echo that I am easily one of AV's harshest critics here, but the idea that he's bad for young players, is honestly a lie. He's put plenty of young players in positions to succeed here.

That's not to say his overall player evaluation is lacking, because it is. But generally speaking, he's not even top 10 in "bad coaches for young players".
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However, it's worth pointing out that AV is an abortion of happiness in every other way.
 
Weltschmerz said:
Wondering too whats going on there.
They look good for sure, but Lias had a long season in sweden and not much rest in the offseason. 82 games plus playoffs on top of that?
Some have them on the 4th line, how could that be good for their development?

I like the idea of giving them some games, but if they are gone after 9 games, who fills those spots?
Waiver time will be gone.
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They'll need to make a trade... and go dumpster diving on waivers.

I think the issue is more the frequency, intensity, and time off between practices and games.

You also have the other aspect of money, where you are talking about these guys earning what used to be their monthly in a single day or even less.

There are a lot of life related issues you need to consider. If the Rangers have the mentorship, and insulation in place for these guys, and they can play.... then let them play.

I think both make a push for the 9 game mark. On merit, they deserve it.
 
I think the race for sixth D is between Holden, ADA and Pionk. I don't think they want to pressbox Pionk or ADA. If either can beat out Holden, they'll move him. Otherwise, I think both Pionk and ADA start in Hartford. The only alternative I see is playing Smith as LD on third pair and sitting Staal.
 
Keep Holden until trade deadline. Injuries on D will happen and he'll be a good player to have.
 
darko said:
Keep Holden until trade deadline. Injuries on D will happen and he'll be a good player to have.
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Yeah, we shouldn't rush him out unless somebody offers us a reason to.

And offers will be bigger at the deadline when everyone is dreaming.
 
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