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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Autumn in New York

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Tawnos said:
But as I said, it's rare to get the fully formed package at ANY age.
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That is true. Even guys like McDavid that are able to excel as rookies still grow their game as they adapt to the bigger faster league. Even Bobby Orr and Gretz did.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
So why do you respond to my posts?

I had you on ignore because I had enough of your behavior, yet I saw you kept responding to me, so I thought I'd be nice, and take you off ignore. Looking like a mistake, as I can see you've continued your self superiority mindset, and are now coming after me for having a dissenting opinion that "makes me biased."
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How gracious of you
 
This seasons D:

McDonagh - Shattenkirk/DeAngelo
Skjei - Shattenkirk/DeAngelo/Smith
Staal/Smith/Holden - DeAngelo/Smith/Holden

Combinations of those 7 in that ilk

Next season:

McDonagh - Shattenkirk
Skjei - DeAngelo
Smith - Pionk/Bereglazov

Combos of those 7


Forwards to start this year (till Fast is back)

Kreider Zib Zucc
Vesey Hayes Nash
Miller Chytil Buch
Grabner Andersson DD/Puempel

Fast comes back

Same top 2 lines (assuming both the kids are sent back after their ~9 games)
Grabner Miller Buch
Puempel DD Fast
 
Alluckks said:
This seasons D:

McDonagh - Shattenkirk/DeAngelo
Skjei - Shattenkirk/DeAngelo/Smith
Staal/Smith/Holden - DeAngelo/Smith/Holden

Combinations of those 7 in that ilk

Next season:

McDonagh - Shattenkirk
Skjei - DeAngelo
Smith - Pionk/Bereglazov

Combos of those 7


Forwards to start this year (till Fast is back)

Kreider Zib Zucc
Vesey Hayes Nash
Miller Chytil Buch
Grabner Andersson DD/Puempel

Fast comes back

Same top 2 lines (assuming both the kids are sent back after their ~9 games)
Grabner Miller Buch
Puempel DD Fast
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Send Andersson back to Frolunda, you can play Puempel until Fast returns with Nieves in the press box.
 
Alluckks said:
This seasons D:

McDonagh - Shattenkirk/DeAngelo
Skjei - Shattenkirk/DeAngelo/Smith
Staal/Smith/Holden - DeAngelo/Smith/Holden

Combinations of those 7 in that ilk

Next season:

McDonagh - Shattenkirk
Skjei - DeAngelo
Smith - Pionk/Bereglazov

Combos of those 7


Forwards to start this year (till Fast is back)

Kreider Zib Zucc
Vesey Hayes Nash
Miller Chytil Buch
Grabner Andersson DD/Puempel

Fast comes back

Same top 2 lines (assuming both the kids are sent back after their ~9 games)
Grabner Miller Buch
Puempel DD Fast
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I essentially think this is spot on. Not happy with Puempel as a regular so what I'd like is to see Andersson really run with the 3C spot and end up with a bottom six of:

Miller - Andersson - Buch
Grabner - Desharnais - Fast

I guess if Chytil looks great with Miller and Buch over 9 games he can stay there, but I think Andersson is more mentally ready to play a full NHL season and accept a nuanced role.
 
Kreider Zib Zucc
Vesey Hayes Nash
Miller Chytil Buch
Grabner LA DD/Puempel

Fast on LTIR (do not Rush him back)
Farnham (gets a cheap contract), Nieves to AHL
Desjardins released

When Fast returns (likely within the 9 game frame) - first then final decisions are made on the kids

McD Shatty
Skjei Smith
Staal/Holden ADA

Bereglazov, Pionk, Graves, Kampfer to the AHL (with Gilmour, Day and the Big Russian)

Deal Holden when a good enough deal materializes. Then call up a D that is suitable
 
I believe Lias A. is an ideal 4th line center for us in his first NHL season which remind me more of Oscar Lindberg - a good 2 way player with lots of upsides, and Lias is highly skilled no doubts about that. And we will certainly see more of his in-depth offensive qualities in near future even on a traditional energy 4th line.
Although at the moment he compete with Chytil for that 3rd line center role, but it looks like Lias is stronger defensive compare to Chytil.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
You are trying to mislead others.

I have always said AV is a good coach, the results show it, unlike a lot of people like you who complained over minor things and tried to argue that he wasn't a good coach, but the evidence shows that AV misuses younger players. I've had enough of that, its every season.
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There is no evidence.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
This is absolutely true.

The "AV hates rookies" narrative exists ONLY because given the choice between a veteran who has done it before and a flawed rookie who's a fringe NHLer, he'll defer to the vet (likely in part for lockerroom reasons), rather than give the kid a super long leash as many here (sometimes including myself) would prefer.

Players who have become full-time NHLers under AV:
Zucc (15 out of 48 games in '12-'13, 77 out of 82 in '13-'14)
Kreider (23 out of 48 games in '12-'13, 66 out of 82 in '13-'14 - also spent time in the AHL in '13-'14)
Miller (spent time in the AHL in '13-'14 and '14-'15, before becoming a regular two years ago)
Fast
Lindberg
Hayes
Skjei
Vesey
Buchnevich (IMO, he's established now, and much of last year's woes were attributed to his injuries).

That's a pretty impressive list, no? The fact that he tried, and then benched (and note a couple of these guys got good runs) folks like McIlrath, Clendenning, Pirri, who amazingly have not gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere, should not be held against him. If you're a kid who can play, he will play you. More so than many coaches, I would argue. As I suspect we may see with LA and FC and at least one, possibly two defensemen.
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Good post.
 
Another point about youngsters below 20 years old in hockey and why usually veteran players are prefered by NHL coaches: Most don`t have optimized physics or are real men until they are (21-23) + years old unless they are generation talents. But they are still not optimized to physics & fitness which is so important in hockey to protect the puck properly, board battles - just to mention a few things.

That`s why I think Chytil is not NHL ready based of lack of defensive skills and fitness and his goal was a perfect pass by Zucci. So hopefully Lias take that 3rd line center role and we can use Nieves on the 4th line. Because we will see a lot more of Lias with better wingers for sure, and that is my perspective at the moment.
If both Chytil & Lias are not ready we are weak down the middle, and JT Miller need to assist in that 2nd or 3rd line center role - so we will see what is going to happen in near future. And if we lose Miller on the wing - who will produce +50 pts. as our next winger? I can`t see anyone to replace Miller`s production from last year so Gordon need to consider to get another center or winger.
 
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Avery16 said:
I feel like Ive said it before, but I do think were a contender, and I know that Nash's play makes us a better team than we would be without it and without any other factor considered.

I just think that Gorton can do something with the cap room that we would free by moving Nash (and taking some picks/prospects in the process) that would actually bring more to our game than what Nash does.
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It's almost October. What are we going to do with 7.8m in cap space? Seriously, the only we we use that cap space is by trading away top prospects or picks. There isn't a free agent available that can improve our team by replacing Nash. Jagr isn't better than Nash.
 
Would we really ice out 2 teenagers to begin to season? I think I’d start Chytil for 9 games and have Andersson play down with Hartford to begin, no reason to send him back to Frolunda. It also helps get adjusted to smaller ice anyways

Kreider-Zib-Nash
Miller-Chytil-Zucca
Vesey-Hayes-Buch
Grabner-DD-Puempel
 
Saving Captain Ryan said:
Would we really ice out 2 teenagers to begin to season? I think IÂ’d start Chytil for 9 games and have Andersson play down with Hartford to begin, no reason to send him back to Frolunda. It also helps get adjusted to smaller ice anyways

Kreider-Zib-Nash
Miller-Chytil-Zucca
Vesey-Hayes-Buch
Grabner-DD-Puempel
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I think Andersson is more likely to make the team and stick than Chytil.
 
This preseason gets me excited about the defense. Staal and Holden should be 7th D and traded for a 3rd or 4th rd pick.

Skjei / ADA would be a really solid pairing from what I saw last night. They both bring a little of everything... physical, great skating and puck possession. Pionk can move with the puck, but may need some time to learn when to jump into the offensive side or stay back.

I think Graves looks great too. He may not be as offensively gifted as the others, but he's no stone hands and can skate. His physicality and positioning in the D zone look solid to me and I think Smith would be a great partner and mentor for him.

McD - Shatty
Skjei - ADA
Graves - Smith

Instead of thinking in terms of 1, 2 and 3, that's a top pairing do-it-all and then two pairings that can play more situational in terms of driving offense or playing more shutdown style depending on the matchup. Pionk and Bereglazov would be the fill in for either pairing in the event of injury.

That's just my thoughts... I don't actually think it will happen in the organization.
 
NYR713 said:
This preseason gets me excited about the defense. Staal and Holden should be 7th D and traded for a 3rd or 4th rd pick.

Skjei / ADA would be a really solid pairing from what I saw last night. They both bring a little of everything... physical, great skating and puck possession. Pionk can move with the puck, but may need some time to learn when to jump into the offensive side or stay back.

I think Graves looks great too. He may not be as offensively gifted as the others, but he's no stone hands and can skate. His physicality and positioning in the D zone look solid to me and I think Smith would be a great partner and mentor for him.

McD - Shatty
Skjei - ADA
Graves - Smith

Instead of thinking in terms of 1, 2 and 3, that's a top pairing do-it-all and then two pairings that can play more situational in terms of driving offense or playing more shutdown style depending on the matchup. Pionk and Bereglazov would be the fill in for either pairing in the event of injury.

That's just my thoughts... I don't actually think it will happen in the organization.
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It's great having young options I just think they are stuck w Staal this year and they won't waive Holden . If they can get value for him sure he's traded. If not only room for 1 kid
 
I'm AV's biggest critic, but there's far worse coaches for young players.

Don't get me wrong, the guy's a savage, but when AV's stupidity rears its ugly head, it doesn't really have anything to do with young or old.

Who are we talking about, Buchnevich? That was ****ing stupid but it wasn't because Buchnevich is a rookie, as evidenced by AV playing Jimmy Vesey like he's prime Jagr.
 
The Rangers like Pavelec. He's the backup. I don't think they have any interest in acquiring anyone else. They prioritized him and signed him quickly. He's their guy.
 
Avery16 said:
Per zip, Bereglazov to HFD
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Based on how things have played out since the start of TCT, that's not terribly surprising. Now I guess we just see if he's content to give it a go down there for a while and acclimate or if he goes back to the KHL immediately.
 
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