Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Oscar Lindberg]

Cuylee better get rid of that busted ass number 50 if he’s gonna be here full time

 

[zlev]

schneider should be the 7th D

 

[bernmeister]

Here's a blockbuster:

Shesty
Goodrow half retained
Othmann
Perrault

for

Sanderson
Pinto
Grieg
Tarasenko retained

---------
Sandy fits as first pair LD, challenged only by an improving KAM
Pinto = immediate middle 6 pivot Grieg useful
Tara = 1 yr stopgap
Rs give up talent to get talent, but improve skating/speed
gamble on Garand

Sens get dif maker Shesty, dibs on extending
w/shesty, they can sell high on Korpisalo
Othmann is local Ontario guy, ready on elc, has a full game other than speed
Perrault is a winner w/local French community, high marks other than speed, elc
2 elcs help w/cap and Sanderson is 8m beginning next season [Rs use Trouba $$]
Goodrow useful, but overpriced, but less so retained.
Good at 2ish may be better long term asset mgmt then stopgap Tara

1st draft...

 

[TGWL]

I'm not mad that the powerplay has the same players. I'm not mad that they still want that big one timer from Zibanejad. The problem they go through on the powerplay isn't that ever team knows that shot is coming. Hell, most teams are doing the same thing on the powerplay. My bigger issue is that they become stagnant and content with just standing still. They don't draw players away so that Zibanejad is lower and in a position to score off that one-timer as much as they should. If you're not moving it's easy to defend because you expect it coming. When you drawing players away it makes it much easier to get a pass and shot through.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Cuylee better get rid of that busted ass number 50 if he’s gonna be here full time

Isn’t that LiASS old number?

Anyway I love these lines, give Lav a lifetime contract.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I think Wade Allison would be an upgrade over Tyler Pitlick. I mean they're similar players, similar point productions, similar sizes, but Allison is 6 years younger.

 

[TGWL]

Here's a blockbuster:

Shesty
Goodrow half retained
Othmann
Perrault

for

Sanderson
Pinto
Grieg
Tarasenko retained

Now do the math...

 

[MrAlmost]

Cuylle played well and deserves to make it. And as rosters got more nhl talent on them he played better.

Othmann played well against lesser comp but quited down. He will do well in the AHL.

Glad Jones made it too. He settled down as well.

 

[E-Train]

How is it a waste? He's a better player than the other options and would help the team in the 22 games he does play. You won't get a good pick for him.

"Have a 7D you don't care about losing on waivers"

So, a bad player? Because if they were good you would care about losing them on waivers.

You won’t get a 3rd rounder? It’s a complete waste to have a talented 22/23 year old sit for 60 or even 50 games. 7D should be for a true fill in, that yes, I don’t care about losing on waivers.

 

[GAGLine]

Here's a blockbuster:

Shesty
Goodrow half retained
Othmann
Perrault

for

Sanderson
Pinto
Grieg
Tarasenko retained

---------
Sandy fits as first pair LD, challenged only by an improving KAM
Pinto = immediate middle 6 pivot Grieg useful
Tara = 1 yr stopgap
Rs give up talent to get talent, but improve skating/speed
gamble on Garand

Sens get dif maker Shesty, dibs on extending
w/shesty, they can sell high on Korpisalo
Othmann is local Ontario guy, ready on elc, has a full game other than speed
Perrault is a winner w/local French community, high marks other than speed, elc
2 elcs help w/cap and Sanderson is 8m beginning next season [Rs use Trouba $$]
Goodrow useful, but overpriced, but less so retained.
Good at 2ish may be better long term asset mgmt then stopgap Tara

1st draft...

Your proposals are actually getting worse. Yikes.

 

[duhmetreE]

It’s not a fact it’s an opinion you are putting forth and have also put forth nothing to back it up

It’s the same picture

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Cuylee better get rid of that busted ass number 50 if he’s gonna be here full time

I hope he doesn't. A new nameplate and my Lias jersey will actually be wearable again.

 

[SA16]

I'm not mad that the powerplay has the same players. I'm not mad that they still want that big one timer from Zibanejad. The problem they go through on the powerplay isn't that ever team knows that shot is coming. Hell, most teams are doing the same thing on the powerplay. My bigger issue is that they become stagnant and content with just standing still. They don't draw players away so that Zibanejad is lower and in a position to score off that one-timer as much as they should. If you're not moving it's easy to defend because you expect it coming. When you drawing players away it makes it much easier to get a pass and shot through.

It's really not true though. Lots of teams use this set up but Zibanejad is not among the leaders of shot share percentage while on the ice. People just say that because they watch 82 games of the Rangers not 82 games of other teams.

For example, let's look at all forwards who played at least 2:00 mins/game at 5v4 last year with over 100+ total 5v4 mins. There are 163 of them. Zibanejad was number 22 with 27.8% of the shot attempts while on the ice. Caufield, Pastrnak, Kaliyev, Ovechkin, Forsberg, Laine, Kyrou, MacKinnon, Robertson were all over 30%.. Panarin actually took 21% too which put him 75th in the league. So two guys shooting more than the average.

 

[SA16]

You won’t get a 3rd rounder? It’s a complete waste to have a talented 22/23 year old sit for 60 or even 50 games. 7D should be for a true fill in, that yes, I don’t care about losing on waivers.

I'm not sure if you'll get a 3rd rounder. The team trading for him has the same problem. They're forced to keep him on the roster because they can't waive him. He was also only a 3rd rounder himself. Whether it should or shouldn't matter, it definitely affects teams perception of his value.

I am not understanding how it is a waste. Jones can help the team now - when he plays if needed. The most likely outcome for a 3rd round pick (if they even get that) is a player who never contributes anything of value in the NHL. The ones who do provide value are 4+ years down the road.

All trading Jones (for picks/prospects) does right now is make the team worse for likely zero gain in the future. That's how you get into the situation where you have guys like Harpur, Bitteto, and Tindori playing games and severely hurting the team. Why do you not want good depth?

 

[Avery16]

Cuylle played well and deserves to make it. And as rosters got more nhl talent on them he played better.

Othmann played well against lesser comp but quited down. He will do well in the AHL.

Glad Jones made it too. He settled down as well.

Brodzinski earned it too, but he's on the wire. So much for meritocracy.

Jones didn't make anything. He's here because we 100% would lose him on waivers and we might be able to get a 2nd for him. He isn't making it into the lineup.

 

[E-Train]

I am not understanding how it is a waste. Jones can help the team now - when he plays if needed. The most likely outcome for a 3rd round pick (if they even get that) is a player who never contributes anything of value in the NHL. The ones who do provide value are 4+ years down the road.

All trading Jones (for picks/prospects) does right now is make the team worse for likely zero gain in the future. That's how you get into the situation where you have guys like Harpur, Bitteto, and Tindori playing games and severely hurting the team.

I haven’t checked most of the other rosters but I would think there’s a team where Jones could be in their top 6 now.

Unfortunately they burned his waiver free years and still don’t see him as a regular. That may change but I don’t agree that Jones should get the Hajek role and certainly not beyond this season.

 

[TGWL]

It's really not true though. Lots of teams use this set up but Zibanejad is not among the leaders of shot share percentage while on the ice. People just say that because they watch 82 games of the Rangers not 82 games of other teams.

For example, let's look at all forwards who played at least 2:00 mins/game at 5v4 last year with over 100+ total 5v4 mins. There are 163 of them. Zibanejad was number 22 with 27.8% of the shot attempts while on the ice. Caufield, Pastrnak, Kaliyev, Ovechkin, Forsberg, Laine, Kyrou, MacKinnon, Robertson were all over 30%.. Panarin actually took 21% too which put him 75th in the league. So two guys shooting more than the average.

That's not what I said. I said nothing about shot share. I said they don't get players moving to take them away from that area.

 

[Machinehead]

I disagree with ALL of what you said and the numbers would as well.

If his accuracy/release were as bad as you say they are, his shot totals wouldn't be as high as they are (career high 251 last year btw.)

If the velocity isn't there like you say it isn't, the goal totals wouldn't be what they are.

@Machinehead heat map request on this one.

I don't have one handy as I'm away from the computer.

I will say this: I think one-timers as an institution are overrated and mostly bad, but Zibanejad is objectively one of the best at doing them.

 

[KennyWu]

Glad to see Cuylle make it. Mad I know how it's pronounced but read it differently every time I see it typed out.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Cuylee better get rid of that busted ass number 50 if he’s gonna be here full time

He will, that was his garbage assigned number they gave him. Only 1st rounders get to pick their number ahead of time (and Sykora apparently, maybe cause he was the first pick in his draft).

He normally wears 13, maybe Laf will give it up to him

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

So the Rangers have about $700k in cap space with a 22 man roster?

 

[SA16]

That's not what I said. I said nothing about shot share. I said they do get players moving to take them away from that area.

How can every team know that shot is coming when 22 PP units in the league more frequently focused on having one guy take the shots?

I haven’t checked most of the other rosters but I would think there’s a team where Jones could be in their top 6 now.

Unfortunately they burned his waiver free years and still don’t see him as a regular. That may change but I don’t agree that Jones should get the Hajek role and certainly not beyond this season.

The Rangers responsibility is to themselves - not to Jones career. If Jones doesn't like that role he's able to request a trade but no guarantee it happens since I doubt anyone will send something of enough value to make it worthwhile unless there is a team willing to trade a competent veteran dman for him (more of a Holden type than one of these AHL scrubs).

 

[CLW]

Brodz is a guy every team has. I’d be surprised if he’s picked up. Cuylle did what he had to do. Made it impossible to cut.

The guy again that I think better step up is vesey. He’s going to find himself sitting. Pitlick plays a lavy game. Up and down the ice power guy. And Bonino and Goodrow aren’t coming out of the lineup. Vesey is the easy guy to sit in this lineup regardless of how well he played last year. He’s been awful this preseason.

Vesey, for better or worse, is better a bit higher up in the lineup with better players. He becomes so bland on the fourth line. But he isn't good enough to keep a spot higher up is he?

 

[BBKers]

$675,084 in cap space. Come December, Pitlick gets waived (or Will gets demoted) and Rangers sign Candy Kane for around $2M. It's "inevitable" - like Thanos said in futility

 

[will1066]

Any word on Chytil? Season opener?