Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[17futurecap]

Good work by Drury on roster choices.

 

[E-Train]

please don't rush it, he's gonna get his games
NYR fans been spoiled, last few years, by how healthy team has been, compared to much of the league

It feels like he'll only get a look if Gus gets hurt. If it’s the other LD they’ll call up Harpur or Robertson and still have Jones sit.

 

[Levitate]

I can't wait for the

'hUr dUr mIKa nO oNe TiMe' when he scores. will be fun.

still doesn't change the fact he has a mid one-timer.

It’s not a fact it’s an opinion you are putting forth and have also put forth nothing to back it up

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

When TNT was talking about Cuylle last night, of course they brought up the Tom Wilson comparisons because of course. After my eyes unrolled from the back of my head, they started talking about the benefit of Laviolette having coached Wilson and being able to show areas of Wilson’s game that Cuylle can bring into his. If that is actually something that is happening I would be pretty stoked.

Wilson was a legitimate pretty good hockey player aside from all of his antics for a little bit. In that sense I kind of get it.

Would never expect Cuylle to be that guy completely because he's never been that guy (whereas Wilson has always been a dirty player.) I'm hoping for him to turn into something like Marcus Foligno or Alex Killorn. Those guys are/were good players and valuable support pieces.

 

[Kovalev27]

Cuylle made it.

Brodz had himself a very good camp though. Can easily play for a team like the Sharks.

Brodz is a guy every team has. I’d be surprised if he’s picked up. Cuylle did what he had to do. Made it impossible to cut.

The guy again that I think better step up is vesey. He’s going to find himself sitting. Pitlick plays a lavy game. Up and down the ice power guy. And Bonino and Goodrow aren’t coming out of the lineup. Vesey is the easy guy to sit in this lineup regardless of how well he played last year. He’s been awful this preseason.

 

[Kords]

Wilson was a legitimate pretty good hockey player aside from all of his antics for a little bit. In that sense I kind of get it.

Would never expect Cuylle to be that guy completely because he's never been that guy (whereas Wilson has always been a dirty player.) I'm hoping for him to turn into something like Marcus Foligno or Alex Killorn. Those guys are/were good players and valuable support pieces.

Totally agree

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I wonder if they try Cuylle with Panarin if and when Laf fails there. Might be rushing things with Cuylle but his style of play fits better with Panarin like how Fast worked with him. That grind it out along the boards player.

 

[bernmeister]

There was strong disagreement at the main board, but I believe LaF can fit as very young, cheap W with strong shooter upside = possible threat if he can mesh w/correct fit on Oil roster. That is a who knows crapshoot, but if Rs were smart and went with currency EDM can swallow but also a fit for NY, a win win may be possible.

We need to accept LaF = 1OA disappointment and will NEVER be Jagr. His best possible upside, IMO, if mgmt does not screw up further is Steve Vickers.

Rs lost to Jersey b'c:
1) came up w/insane big netminder requiring to beat, odd man rushes [speed a necessary prerequisite here] were needed.
2) Devs had overall faster skating.

To address this, I can see Oil doing
LaF [if he works w/McD or Drai it is a big coup, esp for a Canada based team]
Gustaffson LD
NYR 2024 1st

to Oil for

Broberg
Holloway
McLeod
Lavoie
EDM 2024 and 2026 2nds

Oil is 390k in the red, they give up over a mil + the other way to NY
[ballpark quick math, LaF/McL cancel, Gust/Lav cancel, extra $$ to NY].

Gust is immediate LD help, Bro has upside but for whatev reason not yet cracked Oil lineup. LaF explained.
Giving up 2 2nds but getting a 1st
Enuf depth to short term absorb surrender of Hollo + Lav
McLeod useful but a spare part.

For Rs, this is a good fit.
We sell high on Lindy, so we have Broberg/Robertson and not far off Scanlin all LD contenders for 2 spots [we can showcase, then move the pretender Jones].
Holloway = righty speed complements Kreider + Zib
McLeod = bottom 6 speed we need
Lav has upside

I upped my offer here and we should do this.

 

[bernmeister]

VAN desperate for cap relief, could use scoring W and RD help for Hughes.

Jones is NOT a fit here. He is 2 yrs 812+k @.
He is a reach, and a lefty shot, but outside chance he could fit as a cheap, young skating stopgap for Hughes partner.

former first rounder Noah Juulsen is 26, has had injury riddled career, got ok to play and looks like he is last man up at RD; could be a cap dump throw in for us w/outside chance he returns to form and has cup o coffee w/us.

Jones
Leshitshow
Belzile
Boninno
NYR 2024 4th rounder, also 2026 and 2027 3rd rounders

for

VAN 2025 and 2026 2nd rounders
cap dumps Juulsen
and 34 yr old Ian Cole [1 yr at 3m]

helps 'nucks b'c lesser pieces under 1m can be buried, whereas Cole counts vs cap, Rs eventually have to move or buy out, but still, ok.

 

[bhamill]

You hate on Laf more than anyone, but want to claim a guy 2 years older than him, who has done literally NOTHING in the few callups he's gotten in the NHL? Makes sense.

Laf isn’t Russian.

 

[Crease]

So Jones and Cuylle made the team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Brodz is a guy every team has. I’d be surprised if he’s picked up. Cuylle did what he had to do. Made it impossible to cut.

The guy again that I think better step up is vesey. He’s going to find himself sitting. Pitlick plays a lavy game. Up and down the ice power guy. And Bonino and Goodrow aren’t coming out of the lineup. Vesey is the easy guy to sit in this lineup regardless of how well he played last year. He’s been awful this preseason.

I don't think hes a massive loss if he does get picked up but I'd argue that the Sharks don't really have too many guys as good as he is. They're realllly bad.

I wouldn't really be too worried about Vesey tbh. None of the vets really looked good during pre season and it doesn't worry me too much.

Did anyone really look good aside from Brodz, Gus, Cuylle and Othmann? Those are guys who were playing for Jobs.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There was strong disagreement at the main board, but I believe LaF can fit as very young, cheap W with strong shooter upside = possible threat if he can mesh w/correct fit on Oil roster. That is a who knows crapshoot, but if Rs were smart and went with currency EDM can swallow but also a fit for NY, a win win may be possible.

We need to accept LaF = 1OA disappointment and will NEVER be Jagr. His best possible upside, IMO, if mgmt does not screw up further is Steve Vickers.

Rs lost to Jersey b'c:
1) came up w/insane big netminder requiring to beat, odd man rushes [speed a necessary prerequisite here] were needed.
2) Devs had overall faster skating.

To address this, I can see Oil doing
LaF [if he works w/McD or Drai it is a big coup, esp for a Canada based team]
Gustaffson LD
NYR 2024 1st

to Oil for

Broberg
Holloway
McLeod
Lavoie
EDM 2024 and 2026 2nds

Oil is 390k in the red, they give up over a mil + the other way to NY
[ballpark quick math, LaF/McL cancel, Gust/Lav cancel, extra $$ to NY].

Gust is immediate LD help, Bro has upside but for whatev reason not yet cracked Oil lineup. LaF explained.
Giving up 2 2nds but getting a 1st
Enuf depth to short term absorb surrender of Hollo + Lav
McLeod useful but a spare part.

For Rs, this is a good fit.
We sell high on Lindy, so we have Broberg/Robertson and not far off Scanlin all LD contenders for 2 spots [we can showcase, then move the pretender Jones].
Holloway = righty speed complements Kreider + Zib
McLeod = bottom 6 speed we need
Lav has upside

I upped my offer here and we should do this.

Honest question, why make this proposal when its something that will never ever happen?

 

[bernmeister]

Lindgren, sell high, final yr at 3m

to ANA for

Ducks 2024 2nd rounder and Drew Helleson [6'3 2nd rounder RD elc prospect]

Helps ANA now, and sets up for younger Lindy to be signed 5ish yrs max at 3.8-4.2 range, = can move, sell high on older Cam Fowler

NY needs pick + RD prospect.
not worried about LD particularly, but RD we are thin esp after losing Emberson for nothing

 

[bhamill]

I didn't think it was possible but based on this preseason sample, he looks like he's regressed if that's possible.

I'd rather go out and get a sure thing, let's say, JP Peterka from Buffalo or Maccelli from Arizona than be left with someone that will have no value at the end of the season.

Woof. IMO that’s a losing trade even if Laf doesn’t progress from last year, and he has progressed at least slightly every year, regardless of him not looking like it in a few preseason games. And if Laf breaks out? An all time bad trade. No sane GM does this.

 

[SA16]

Agreed but don’t think it’s fair to him. He has talent, I hope they can deal him for a pick and have whoever as 7D.

This is not youth league where everyone gets to play and the coaches job is to make everyone happy.

 

[bernmeister]

Honest question, why make this proposal when its something that will never ever happen?

Honest answer.
If you do not seek to grow by being creative, you stagnate and die.

At the rate Laf is currently going, odds of this ARE against, like poker inside straight vs.
BUT it does not HAVE TO be that way.
They could listen to bern, play LaF w/kid line, up his #s, up his value, and voila!
And again, if Holloway/Broberg were instant success, this would be obv no.
But at this pt, it is potential for potential, on premise better fits for each club worth it.

 

[E-Train]

This is not youth league where everyone gets to play and the coaches job is to make everyone happy.

It’s a waste to have him sit for 60 games. Get a pick and have a 7D you don’t care about losing on waivers.

 

[hardnosed]

Interesting that Jones played RD last night with Gus. Maybe he will slot in for Schneider on occasion or if one of the RDs are sick, etc.
I like Gus but him being on this team means Miller is definitely playing PK where he is absolutely horrible. He was on the ice for all those Devil PP goals, sometimes with Trouba, one or two times with Fox.

 

[Raspewtin]

i’m surprised but happy that Cuylle made it. i thought he deserved to make it but would be buried. he had a fantastic pre season.

Othmann going down is correct, he needs to be the guy on offense somewhere before he comes here. started strong but kinda petered out.

 

[bernmeister]

bread has worked best w/Strome.
do not want, am not changing team to accommodate Panarin

On paper,
Doughty is 1 more yr and is 2yrs older [33 vs 31] for ballpark same $$ [bread is .6m+ more per.

Whether or not that is enuf incentive for Kings likely depends on other variables in the equation, but it IS enuf to start a discussion.

Part of the scenario is to solve if there is a nominally profitable trade ANA can make, sending Strome to LA. Comparable spare parts might work for Ducks if they also got something out of it, since on paper pivot depth is looking like, atm, Carlsson, Zegras, and MacTavish.

That is more extended hypothetical for another day, but you have food for thought.

For Rs, this facilitates Fox-Doughty/Schneider w/Trouba to bone crushing 4RW until we trade him to DET.

As noted above, hopefully repurposing Lindy into Helleson + gives long term RD depth

 

[SA16]

It’s a waste to have him sit for 60 games. Get a pick and have a 7D you don’t care about losing on waivers.

How is it a waste? He's a better player than the other options and would help the team in the 22 games he does play. You won't get a good pick for him.

"Have a 7D you don't care about losing on waivers"

So, a bad player? Because if they were good you would care about losing them on waivers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Denisenko on waivers, WE BETTER CLAIM

You want to collect shitty Russians like they're f***ing infinity stones.

What the f*** are you going to do? Snap your fingers and turn Kreider into Fedor Federov?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Cuylle deserved to make it based on his preseason, good for him. We will see how long it lasts.