Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[GoAwayPanarin]

I just think Zibs one timer is below average and we spent way too much energy trying to set it up.

He’s the only shooter too which further hinder things.

In an ideal world we’d also have a LHS on the right wall. Similar to TB setup. Both Stamkos and Kucherov one time and are effective. It opens the lanes up instead of force feeding one side

This is incredibly ridiculous.

Pretty sure he's top 5 (might have been 3) in the league in goals scored on 1T's over the last few years. You don't do that with a less than average one timer.

The only shooter thing is valid.

This is the right move.

We'll see him later this season.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Cuylle going to make the team?

 

[Kakko]

Cuylle going to make the team?

Could be, but could also just be until Chytil is confirmed in.

 

[duhmetreE]

This is incredibly ridiculous.

Pretty sure he's top 5 (might have been 3) in the league in goals scored on 1T's over the last few years. You don't do that with a less than average one timer.

The only shooter thing is valid.

It's not perfect, there are better players, but calling it below average is just dumb

whats is good about his one time shot?

When I break it down,

I think his positioning is below-average.
his release is below-average.
his puck skills/handling deteriorated. below-average
his accuracy is below-average.
his velocity is average.

what does that make it?

edit - changed verbiage- form 'poor' to 'below average'. same difference.

 

[nyr2k2]

whats is good about his one time shot?

When I break it down,

I think his positioning is poor.
his release is poor.
his puck skills/handling deteriorated.
his accuracy is poor.
his velocity is average.

what does that make it?

Apparently, super effective.

 

[E-Train]

Anyways...re: Cuylle to me looked like the typical "has a strong camp and everyone starts penciling him in as a regular for the rest of the season and then the real season gets going and he's a step behind once the first 10 game adrenaline wears off"
Could be wrong, and I still didn't see anything out of him that screamed more than future 3rd line depth player (which is fine). Just expecting people to be disappointed when he comes down a bit.

I think that’s his projection though. 3LW that can score in the teens and into the 20s as he matures. Tom Wilson’s stat line would be great with a bit more at age 21 & 22.

 

[eco's bones]

You hate on Laf more than anyone, but want to claim a guy 2 years older than him, who has done literally NOTHING in the few callups he's gotten in the NHL? Makes sense.

An issue with claiming this guy is he's probably not good enough to hang with the roster we have so he'd be heading for Hartford or back to Florida or another waiver claim.

 

[duhmetreE]

Apparently, super effective.

 

[nyr2k2]

IDK man, his 1T has proven statistically to be quite deadly. You're asking people to prove why they think it's good when the evidence is right there.

 

[duhmetreE]

IDK man, his 1T has proven statistically to be quite deadly. You're asking people to prove why they think it's good when the evidence is right there.

I would like to see this info and location from one timers.

maybe the sum is better than the parts. Maybe if you throw shit against the wall it will stick.

but I asked, what aspect is good about his shot?

 

[eco's bones]

Anyway Cuylle was easily one of our best forwards in preseason games. I see him in our top 9. That said once a rookie makes the team his next step is to nail down the spot. Sometimes that doesn't happen.

Still Cuylle didn't have problems with the pace. Even nights he didn't score he got good chances. Last night calling for the puck on the power play was an example of a player playing with confidence. Also he's a big, physical player that will drop the gloves if needed. We also saw him a little on the penalty kill. He's already got extras to his game besides putting up some offense. Looks like an NHL player to me already.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

whats is good about his one time shot?

When I break it down,

I think his positioning is below-average.
his release is below-average.
his puck skills/handling deteriorated. below-average
his accuracy is below-average.
his velocity is average.

what does that make it?

edit - changed verbiage- form 'poor' to 'below average'. same difference.

That he scores as much as he does with it?

I mean you reallllllyyyy have to play the mental gymnastics game to convince yourself of what you've written above.

If you want to knock anything in his game, I don't like how reliant his goal scoring has become on the PP.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Ummmm. Laf was already a solid borderline 3rd/2nd line player in his D+3. And his floor is probably solid 2nd liner, for years to come. Why would we trade him for someone guaranteed to contribute on the third line? This seems like trading him for pennies on the dollar just because he hasn’t lived up to his 1OA pedigree. That seems crazy to me.

I didn't think it was possible but based on this preseason sample, he looks like he's regressed if that's possible.

I'd rather go out and get a sure thing, let's say, JP Peterka from Buffalo or Maccelli from Arizona than be left with someone that will have no value at the end of the season.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

I've always thought Cuylle's upside to be a bonafide second line player but didn't grade that highly chance wise. Right now he's looking like a guy that could potentially become that for sure. I have a feeling he will stick well on the third line starting off the year.

Watch out Laff!!!!

 

[eco's bones]

I would like to see this info and location from one timers.

maybe the sum is better than the parts. Maybe if you throw shit against the wall it will stick.

but I asked, what aspect is good about his shot?

I don't think there is anyone out there keeping statistics on one timers, shot release stats or changing the angle of a stick blade before shooting the puck at goal. It's all eye test or video stuff and/or coaches or teammates talking about a player who does it well. Maybe it's an opportunity for you to open up a new field of hockey stats.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

No surprise , glad he will get 20 minutes of ice time to develop.

 

[duhmetreE]

That he scores as much as he does with it?

I mean you reallllllyyyy have to play the mental gymnastics game to convince yourself of what you've written above.

If you want to knock anything in his game, I don't like how reliant his goal scoring has become on the PP.

what is good, fundamentally about his shot?

This whole thing started when I said it's below average. IMO mostly all aspects are below average to average. No one refutes that I guess.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

what is good, fundamentally about his shot?

This whole thing started when I said it's below average. IMO mostly all aspects are below average to average. No one refutes that I guess.

I disagree with ALL of what you said and the numbers would as well.

If his accuracy/release were as bad as you say they are, his shot totals wouldn't be as high as they are (career high 251 last year btw.)

If the velocity isn't there like you say it isn't, the goal totals wouldn't be what they are.

@Machinehead heat map request on this one.

 

[Kodiak]

what is good, fundamentally about his shot?

This whole thing started when I said it's below average. IMO mostly all aspects are below average to average. No one refutes that I guess.

Zibanejad had 20 PPGs last season while relying on the one-timer as his primary weapon, putting him 3rd in the NHL behind only Draisatl and McDavid. That doesn't happen with a below average one-timer.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I think the Powerplay sucked last year. Iirc they hovered around the middle of the pack most of the season until they stared padding their numbers late in the year during garbage time and somehow finished 7th. But the PP was severely un-clutch, they would never score when we really needed a goal. And that continued into the payoffs and it spelled our doom.

I absolutely hate that they are going with the exact same look again.

 

[Levitate]

what is good, fundamentally about his shot?

This whole thing started when I said it's below average. IMO mostly all aspects are below average to average. No one refutes that I guess.

I mean I'd say that his velocity is above average, his placement is above average, his release is above average

When he gets it cleanly it is very hard, gets off his stick quickly, and he can pick corners with it


The problem with this argument is that you don't have anything to prove your opinion. I don't particularly have anything to prove my opinion either other than historically he has scored with it from the circles on the power play.

You're throwing out some general statements and evaluations and then asking people to prove you wrong when you haven't given us anything to prove you wrong about really

e: that's why people have said "well look at the stats where he has scored regularly on the power play using his shot. if it was below average that wouldn't be happening" and your response is "I don't believe that"

 

[Vitto79]

No surprise , glad he will get 20 minutes of ice time to develop.

Now let’s see if any guys are on waivers or if they wait on that

 

[duhmetreE]

I disagree with ALL of what you said and the numbers would as well.

If his accuracy/release were as bad as you say they are, his shot totals wouldn't be as high as they are (career high 251 last year btw.)

If the velocity isn't there like you say it isn't, the goal totals wouldn't be what they are.

@Machinehead heat map request on this one.

he has a massive wind up. His doesn't locate the puck. imo shot totals isn't an indicator for either or. They force feed him. Maybe my mind is failing me... when was the last time he hit a corner with a 1T?

Is it possible that elite playmakers like Panarin and Fox are setting the play up for him? He can beat the goalie if he hasn't gotten across yet but he doesn't label corners or beat a squared up goalie imo

His wrist shot on the other hand has been drastically under utilized..

 

[DanielBrassard]

whats is good about his one time shot?

When I break it down,

I think his positioning is below-average.
his release is below-average.
his puck skills/handling deteriorated. below-average
his accuracy is below-average.
his velocity is average.

what does that make it?

edit - changed verbiage- form 'poor' to 'below average'. same difference.

There's plenty to critique about Zibanejad but I don't understand why you are attacking unquestionably the best part of his game. Doesn't make sense bro.

 

[duhmetreE]

I mean I'd say that his velocity is above average, his placement is above average, his release is above average

When he gets it cleanly it is very hard, gets off his stick quickly, and he can pick corners with it


The problem with this argument is that you don't have anything to prove your opinion. I don't particularly have anything to prove my opinion either other than historically he has scored with it from the circles on the power play.

You're throwing out some general statements and evaluations and then asking people to prove you wrong when you haven't given us anything to prove you wrong about really

e: that's why people have said "well look at the stats where he has scored regularly on the power play using his shot. if it was below average that wouldn't be happening" and your response is "I don't believe that"

I'm asking you what is good about his onetime shot. It is an evaluation. I think he does everything below-average to average. You can disagree. He does have PPGs. I don't think it's a testament to how 'great' his onetimer is.