Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[nsvoyageurs]

Connor Garland allowed to seek a trade:



He has been mentioned numerous times on here as a potential Rangers target. Team has not much cap space right now; another contract would likely have to go the other way. Need to save as much cap space as possible for possible additions prior to the trade deadline (and I DON'T mean Patrick Kane).

 

[duhmetreE]

Neither Fox nor Zib should be on the PK. It's so obvious. The difference between having those guys on the ice versus the replacement is much bigger at even strength than on the kill.

Fox and Zibs are separated by a couple tiers.

Connor Garland allowed to seek a trade:

I'd take a flier at 50%

would that be worth the 1st? or would people have aneurisms here?

but we have Othmann waiting, so it's doubtful

 

[hardnosed]

This is why my top three penalty killers would always be the 4th line.

Being "good" at the PK is marginal at every position but goaltending.

Years ago, teams could only dress 17 skaters. There were 3 full lines, 3 pairs of D and 2 forwards that most teams used as their PK.

 

[McRanger92]

Connor Garland allowed to seek a trade:

Lafreniere for Garland at 50%. Everybody wins

 

[LOFIN]

This is why my top three penalty killers would always be the 4th line.

Being "good" at the PK is marginal at every position but goaltending.

What is being good on the PK anyway?

There's two schools of thought how to deploy your PK when it comes to forwards. You either put your star players in, because they are probably better with the stick check and anticipating opposing plays. More importantly, they are the greater threat to score when they get a breakaway or an odd man rush. This is getting more and more prevalent in todays game.

The other one is probably the more traditional one, where you deploy bottom-6 forwards to the PK. They can sacrifice themselves blocking shots, the top guys are allowed to rest so they can get in more refreshed for the 5v5 play.

I don't really care what they do here, I don't have a preference. Both systems seem to work.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Lafreniere for Garland at 50%. Everybody wins

The Rangers would have to add LOL I'm for giving Lafreniere more time. Yes he was invisible during the preseason, but would like to see him play in meaningful games before they send him to Siberia for a broken Zamboni machine.

 

[Fitzy]

What is being good on the PK anyway?

There's two schools of thought how to deploy your PK when it comes to forwards. You either put your star players in, because they are probably better with the stick check and anticipating opposing plays. More importantly, they are the greater threat to score when they get a breakaway or an odd man rush. This is getting more and more prevalent in todays game.

The other one is probably the more traditional one, where you deploy bottom-6 forwards to the PK. They can sacrifice themselves blocking shots, the top guys are allowed to rest so they can get in more refreshed for the 5v5 play.

I don't really care what they do here, I don't have a preference. Both systems seem to work.

Being a defenseman on the PK is one of the simplest jobs in pro sports.

There are some guys who just flat out shouldn't do it (Deangelo, Jones, Pionk types) but a lumbering stay at home defenseman like Harpur is genuinely fully qualified to go out there on the PK even if he sucks at every other element.

You play in one zone, with one objective. Heck with the 1-3-1 how it is the amount of crease-clearing they're asked to do is at a historic low as well.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Fox and Zibs are separated by a couple tiers.


I'd take a flier at 50%

would that be worth the 1st? or would people have aneurisms here?

but we have Othmann waiting, so it's doubtful

When teams allow players to seek out trades, that usually means they don't expect a lot back. A first for Garland? No thanks. I don't know what the Canucks are looking to get back; what holes they have. While taking back 50% of the cap, they may get something useful; I'm not sure the Rangers would give up what they would ask for.

 

[duhmetreE]

“I think last year, it was a little more laid back,” Vincent Trocheck said. “I think we were maybe not as prepared as we should’ve been going into the first little bit of the season. It’s been a little bit more tougher camp, for sure. I think guys are definitely going to be in shape coming out of it. I think we’re focused on the details a little bit more this camp.

“Going into the season, I think we’re going to be prepared. So that’s one main thing you have to be coming out of camp.”

Rangers hope Peter Laviolette can help them make Stanley Cup leap

The fact that the Rangers core is another year older can be seen as both a blessing and a curse. Either way, it’s another year of growth together.

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[GoAwayPanarin]

Trocheck asking to catch those hands from Gallant lol.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Trocheck asking to catch those hands from Gallant lol.

Gallant's fate was sealed as soon as he was caught on camera giving Trochek the hair dryer treatment and Trochek smirked in response.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Gallant's fate was sealed as soon as he was caught on camera giving Trochek the hair dryer treatment and Trochek smirked in response.

Think it was sealed before that.

Definitely was toast mid way through that Devils series when he and Drury got into it.

 

[bleedblue94]

Lafreniere for Garland at 50%. Everybody wins

Absolutely going to be flooded with that proposal now but with van adding like a 5th to "balance" it out.

In all seriousness I would wonder if garland at 50 with a 1st and 2nd would make nyr consider it. It's such a weird time for nyr

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Gallant's fate was sealed as soon as he was caught on camera giving Trochek the hair dryer treatment and Trochek smirked in response.

So I remember this very vaguely. I dont remember exactly how it went, didnt Tro say something like 'now you want to talk hard while the cameras are on' or something to that effect?

 

[bl02]

Absolutely going to be flooded with that proposal now but with van adding like a 5th to "balance" it out.

In all seriousness I would wonder if garland at 50 with a 1st and 2nd would make nyr consider it. It's such a weird time for nyr

Wait...Garland and a 1st and a 2nd? Also considering Vancouver could always end up bottom 10 team? Or did you mean Laf and a 1st and a 2nd for Garland 50 percent?
If the Rangers were offered that and they didn't do it they must have supreme confidence in Laf.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The Devils were definitely the better team and were a bad matchup for the Rangers, even still, that series went to Game 7 and was still winnable despite the dogshit performance the Rangers laid out there. The Rangers stole 2 quick ones then sucked ass for 3 straight and then managed to win one even after it looking like it was over - that's not nothing. To me, I think with a little more structure and more of a plan (i.e effectively break the puck out of your own zone, play the matchup game, have puck support through the NZ and into the OZ) the Rangers very easily could've won that series, even with the Devils being a bad matchup and especially after going up 2-0. That's why Gallant was fired.

Just a little bit of pushback on the pervasive mindset on here that the Devils are basically an unbeatable juggernaut. They're good, still a bad matchup and we may lose to them again, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. The better team on paper doesn't always win. There's always slumps, injuries, unexpected things happen. Carolina was a better team than us in 2022 and we won that series. During the Lundqvist years the Rangers beat countless superior opponents in the playoffs. Obviously you don't want to be worse than your opponent but I see a lot of talk about how the Canes and Devils are better than us so what's the point and with this being hockey I just can't go along with that.

We forechecked hard the first two games and started our typical east west crap after that.

 

[TGWL]

Absolutely going to be flooded with that proposal now but with van adding like a 5th to "balance" it out.

In all seriousness I would wonder if garland at 50 with a 1st and 2nd would make nyr consider it. It's such a weird time for nyr

You don't get 50% and a 1st.

 

[bernmeister]

Connor Garland allowed to seek a trade:



He has been mentioned numerous times on here as a potential Rangers target. Team has not much cap space right now; another contract would likely have to go the other way. Need to save as much cap space as possible for possible additions prior to the trade deadline (and I DON'T mean Patrick Kane).

stop w/mo vets on failed win now which deprives youth of needed mins

 

[bernmeister]

I think i understand you for the first time for the last time, bern.

They say there is a 1st time for everything... for as long as it takes/applies!

 

[The Crypto Guy]

What the shit?

Garland at 27 years old had 1 more goal and 6 more points than Laf did last season, and he makes almost 5M

 

[MrAlmost]

Connor Garland allowed to seek a trade:



He has been mentioned numerous times on here as a potential Rangers target. Team has not much cap space right now; another contract would likely have to go the other way. Need to save as much cap space as possible for possible additions prior to the trade deadline (and I DON'T mean Patrick Kane).

Would likely be Laf and Goodrow for Garland in some way. Puts Garland on the right with Panarin and Chytil. 4th line I Vesey-Bonino-Pitlick. Someone like Belzile or maybe even Edstrom is called up.

I've wanted him for a while. I doubt we get him.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

NY Post , Up in the Blue Seats Podcast:

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Garland sucks and we don't need any more wingers.

 

[mas0764]

I still have a lot of hope for Zibanejad being an effective player but they really need to utilize him differently.

Gallant used him like a shutdown god. He sucks at it. Top centers eat him alive and it gets worse in a series where you get more and more exposure.

If you don't have a matchup center then just go by committee and at least use Zibanejad in a situation where he might score.

I thought Trocheck would be that shutdown center.

 

[mas0764]

Trouba sucks. God damn.

Yeah I've been pointing it out for eons now.

We don't lose a damn thing by moving him. And we should be trying to bamboozle someone into taking him ASAP.

The problem with that is you dont know if you 0-4 until at least 2-4 years later. Its not like colorado said we hit on some picks we can now pick outside the top 10. Its because they hit on their picks that they stopped picking that high.

And again, we had 2 generational goaltenders, a budding star in Zib, and a superstar who wanted to play for us, another really good dman Who wanted to play for us, and then maybe a future hOF dman who wanted to play for us. In fact right before COVId happened we had the best record in the NHL in 2020 i believe. We were on f***ing fire and quinn had this team playing so well that gallant could only dream of having that cohesiveness. Which is why Kreider wasnt traded unfortunately.

This isnt normal for any other team outside of toronto.

You take advantage when you can. And we did. And none of those guys were over 30, and all but panarin hadnt even entered their primes.

Getting the #1 overall pick was supposed to be the cherry on top. Instead we went 0-4 maybe.

And if kakko or laf take the hit jump this year than we will go far and all those other moves will look great.

Our failure literally is because of laf and kakko not producing at even a top 5 level let alone top 1 & 2.

They were both labeled sure fire superstars at draft time. They were unanimous picks. It is those very reasons why the team rightly started to go for it. Bc if they were superstars we are talking mini dynasty with what else we had.

But there were those among us who advocated things that we should have done differently:

1) Trade Kreider at the deadline to keep rebuilding
2) Trade Buch for futures not presents
3) Trade De'Angelo before he tanked his value
4) Not give out the Goodrow contract

I mean, there are a litany of things we could have done to stay the course with the rebuild.