Peep the numbers.
Peep fox’s 5v5 production.
It’s on point. Lindgren cannot play on a top
Pair.
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Peep the numbers.
Peep fox’s 5v5 production.
It’s on point. Lindgren cannot play on a top
Pair.
Machinehead
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It's not bullshit. Fox's offensive driving is starting to tank significantly at even strength. As soon as he's on the powerplay away from Lindgren, he's normal again.
Fox is an all-world defender on his own. There's nothing about Lindgren's game that enables him. The only thing it accomplishes is pushing the whole left side down which is great for depth but it becomes not worth it if Fox is less than himself.
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McRanger92
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Eddie Olzyck was asked tonight what he thought of the Rangers."I'd keep an eye on Will Cuylle. He scored again tonight he just has a real nose for the net in an old school way. I'm seeing a Jarome Iginla type player."After a pause: "Maybe better"High praise
Wild comparison haha but I’ll take it. The Wilson comp is on point with Cuylle. It’s good for his development that he’s a contributor on this team. Can finish chances and doesn’t back down. Now call Othmann up soon and we’ll have 2 of them.
Machinehead
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Talking about this year dude.
Here’s a news flash though, Fox would have been even better in those seasons with a better partner. Lindgren has never been top pair quality. Hes regressed to the point where he’s dragging down Fox now.
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Hasn’t even been half of the season. I’d be patient and count on a turnaround rather than going for a hasty trigger pull on a trade. Nothing new here. Most fans are are in what have you done for me lately mode with their takes.
PS I also don’t get how it’s not obvious to everyone that Fox is not his normal self since coming back from an injury.
Machinehead
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I don't see Wilson when I look at Cuylle. Cuylle is sound and understated. He throws a big one occasionally, but he's a responsible player.
Wilson is a psychopath and plays like a psychopath. He has that "run around doing whatever I want to" gene that afflicted Trouba and Callahan. I want to say with dangerous hitting on top of it but Trouba also does that, let's be honest.
I'm on record as saying that style hurts more than it helps, so good.
I see Scott Hartnell. Hartnell couldn't f***ing skate and it was ten years ago so ignore that part. Hartnell was nasty, a spark plug, and dropped the gloves but he focused mostly on hockey and had an excellent peak doing so.
Wilson is a psychopath and plays like a psychopath. He has that "run around doing whatever I want to" gene that afflicted Trouba and Callahan. I want to say with dangerous hitting on top of it but Trouba also does that, let's be honest.
I'm on record as saying that style hurts more than it helps, so good.
I see Scott Hartnell. Hartnell couldn't f***ing skate and it was ten years ago so ignore that part. Hartnell was nasty, a spark plug, and dropped the gloves but he focused mostly on hockey and had an excellent peak doing so.
Machinehead
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He is his normal self in every category but even strength production.
They've been together almost exclusively their entire careers. The notion that an assessment of the pair is hasty just doesn't hold any water.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Fox is borderline generational. Him being a Norris finalist is just another season. We shouldn't take that as an indication that we can't make an upgrade.
Vancouver made a trade to upgrade Hughes' partner after a top 10 Norris finish and four years of elite play and now he's the best player in the league.
Vancouver made a trade to upgrade Hughes' partner after a top 10 Norris finish and four years of elite play and now he's the best player in the league.
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Sorry, I’m lost. Was Lindgren hurting Fox during his Norris level seasons or just so far this season?
Machinehead
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You’re using PP metrics as a base for what Fox’s 5v5 metrics should be? In what universe does that make sense?
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
His offensive production is normal on the powerplay, which flies in the face of the idea that Fox is hurt or having a down year. What about that doesn't make sense?
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PP where 4 out of 5 pieces excluding Fox are having a career or close to years? Yeah it makes plenty of sense. Take a look at a few random games from last season if you don’t see that Fox is not his usual self.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Lindgren always dragged his team's offense. It's a freezing cold take. It's a legitimate concern because he's out there with, not just Fox, but all of our best forwards a lot too.
Like, that's a statement of fact. The point of contention is how ok you are with it.
As people see we have an opportunity to win, which is very hard and requires just about a hole-less roster, more and more people are saying "you know, maybe I'm not ok with our #2 defenseman being terrible at offense."
You can disagree with that, but I don't see what's funny or crazy about it.
Like, that's a statement of fact. The point of contention is how ok you are with it.
As people see we have an opportunity to win, which is very hard and requires just about a hole-less roster, more and more people are saying "you know, maybe I'm not ok with our #2 defenseman being terrible at offense."
You can disagree with that, but I don't see what's funny or crazy about it.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
You keep talking about Fox having career years with Lindgren as if he's ever had anything but career years.
LeBron James had a career year with the 42-40 2005 Cavs because the guy's had 20 career years.
SA16
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Weird to blame Lindgren for the lack of Fox's 5v5 offense when the only actual difference is he is individually shooting 0% (6.1% career) and while on ice the team is shooting 5.5% (9.1% career). Lindgren may be a problem but the Fox's 5v5 offense deficiencies is just pure bad fortune than anything to do with him. He actually has his career high CG60 and 2nd best xGF60 this year.
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Now who’s moving goal posts? Being “terrible at offense” is not the same as “hurting Fox (and by implication the team’s chances of winning), and yes I’m fine with Lindgren’s offensive shortcoming (as I would put it) because of other considerations.
Machinehead
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Why does it have to have anything to do with Fox? Some people want to upgrade on Lindgren. The argument against that seems to be that the partnership improves Fox. I can assure you it does not.
Machinehead
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Logic. Your implication is that without Lindgren Fox would have even more careerest year.
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