Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[NickyFotiu]

Not to mention all the different linemates he’s had over that span.

I have to give some credit to our coaches. They did not panic when Blake did not score in his first 10 games.

 

[RGY]

I think the maximum space without trading Goodrow could be a combination of Chytil’s LTIR Salary + Jones + the 13th forward. I don’t know what that number is, maybe $6 million. So they will absolutely need a team to retain on a Chytil replacement. Gourde with 50% is roughly $2.555. So that would leave flexibility to make another move to add a middle 6 RWer. Slot Wheeler down to line 4. Pitlick becomes the scratch or waived. And depending on who you get for the middle 6 winger spot, you may be able to add a 6/7 D that is more physical and defensively reliable than Jones.

 

[Kendo]

You are crazy. Everyone loves Lindgren but you simply cannot give him another contract. We saw this with Girardi

another cap thing. Have to dive to get, don’t want to give another contract with wing depth on farm. May as well use the asset. Won’t miss him if he is in Calgary. Try to keep 1st

We saw Girardi sign a reasonable 3-yr deal at this point in his career. You can't just hand-wave the difference between a soon to be 26 yo and a soon to be 30 yo.

Not looking to trade KK for a whole host of reasons. We already miss him right now.

It was cool to hate Girardi at the end but he was 6th in Norris voting at age 27. Lindgren is already a liability in the top 4 at 26.

Lindgren is not even "already 26." Not for another 6 weeks. If we spend cap on one upgrade for next season, I'm listening on Hanifin. But I'm not looking to just dump Lindy because "he's breaking down like a 30+ Girardi." That's a rash decision.

Lindgren has more damage on him than Girardi did. The Rangers can’t make another cap ruining extension on a guy who is already in decline

Still 25 and already in decline? I can talk about upgrading on him, but I can't get on board with calling him washed before his 26th birthday.

 

[NYR Viper]

My proposal of trading Quick would be predicated on asking him if he would want a shot to be a starter to fonoah the season. Not just to trade him. I think he would have some value to teams right to the cap looking for help this year

 

[KOVALEV022473]

My proposal of trading Quick would be predicated on asking him if he would want a shot to be a starter to fonoah the season. Not just to trade him. I think he would have some value to teams right to the cap looking for help this year

I think he wants to win the cup with his favorite childhood hockey team.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think he wants to win the cup with his favorite childhood hockey team.

And that’s fair, but I’d leave it up to him

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I have to give some credit to our coaches. They did not panic when Blake did not score in his first 10 games.

That's true, Nicky, but when you think about it, they really didn't have much choice.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

And that’s fair, but I’d leave it up to him

Let's see: he's winning, he's on a cup contender (according to many) and, most important, he's apparently enjoying hockey to the fullest again!!! Why would he agree to go to a team where goaltenders go to die?

 

[SA16]

I highly doubt quick would be the starter in Edmonton. Skinner was good last year and has been good since Knoblauch took over. He just had a bad first few weeks. Quick has performed at an adequate starter level once in the past six years. Even this year he has more starts with a SV% under .900 then over.

 

[TominNC]

Not to mention all the different linemates he’s had over that span.

Predictable because he’s a notoriously slower starter

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Girardi was better offensively than Lindgren, and he was much bigger so he could withstand more punishment.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That's true, Nicky, but when you think about it, they really didn't have much choice.

Maybe but weren't some fans (maybe media) saying Blake should sit at that time? Remember Vesey started the season in dress clothes.

 

[IDvsEGO]

We saw Girardi sign a reasonable 3-yr deal at this point in his career. You can't just hand-wave the difference between a soon to be 26 yo and a soon to be 30 yo.

Not looking to trade KK for a whole host of reasons. We already miss him right now.


Lindgren is not even "already 26." Not for another 6 weeks. If we spend cap on one upgrade for next season, I'm listening on Hanifin. But I'm not looking to just dump Lindy because "he's breaking down like a 30+ Girardi." That's a rash decision.


Still 25 and already in decline? I can talk about upgrading on him, but I can't get on board with calling him washed before his 26th birthday.

Like he's not a terrible top 4 option, but put him on the bottom pair and he's a solid defenseman.

If we got him for a 4x4 deal. I run with that, and see if we can fit him and hanafin in our cap next year.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Maybe but weren't some fans (maybe media) saying Blake should sit at that time? Remember Vesey started the season in dress clothes.

True that. I disremembered the fact that Wheeler started on the third line.....

 

[NickyFotiu]

My proposal of trading Quick would be predicated on asking him if he would want a shot to be a starter to fonoah the season. Not just to trade him. I think he would have some value to teams right to the cap looking for help this year

Crazy Larry mentioned a team (Toronto?) giving up a first for Quick. That isn't happening. If it was offered Drury would grab it quickly.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Crazy Larry mentioned a team (Toronto?) giving up a first for Quick. That isn't happening. If it was offered Drury would grab it quickly.

That's only if Toronto isn't one of the teams on his no-trade list.

 

[Barnaby]

Not only that, it would be an awful look for the organization by trading a future Hall of Famer who signed here because NYR were his childhood team. It would be a red flag for future players wanting to sign here. Not only that, Quick has been a huge safety net for Igor this season when he got hurt and when he slumped. Who’s backing up Igor if you trade Quick? An unknown Garand? Domingue? What happens if Igor gets hurt or slumps again? Bad recipe. I know some people on here have the Charles Wang mindset with goaltending and you can just throw a random sumo wrestler in net and win a Cup but that’s the wrong approach.

Quick is never getting traded.

The Rangers won’t do it. It’s an awful look.

Look at the football Jets as to why you don’t let a season with playoff aspirations slip by, because you didn’t invest in an adequate backup.

Why? To add a mid round pick or 4th liner with promise?

It doesn’t make sense from any angle, but EA.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That's only if Toronto isn't one of the teams on his no-trade list.

Even if Quick would say yes do you think Toronto would give a first? That seems like pie in the sky by Larry imo.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Quick is never getting traded.

The Rangers won’t do it. It’s an awful look.

Look at the football Jets as to why you don’t let a season with playoff aspirations slip by, because you didn’t invest in an adequate backup.

Why? To add a mid round pick or 4th liner with promise?

It doesn’t make sense from any angle, but EA.

I mean if someone offered a first for quick, I would say move him because that insane overpay doesn't come around often.

I'd also say it would still be a bad look, but makes far more sense.

You then move a 4th to grab a backup.

Even if Quick would say yes do you think Toronto would give a first? That seems like pie in the sky by Larry imo.

Toronto giving up a first for a goalie makes sense. Giving up a first for Quck does not.

I could see toronto giving up a first for Askarov or for Saros. Goalies with team control and term, not for a 35+ year old vet having a huge career bounce back on his hometown team.

 

[Barnaby]

My proposal of trading Quick would be predicated on asking him if he would want a shot to be a starter to fonoah the season. Not just to trade him. I think he would have some value to teams right to the cap looking for help this year

Or you could just not tell a guy that you’re floating his name in trade negotiations when he’s happy here, and performing very well at a very low salary because you want to get a 4th line upgrade which could potentially be achieved in a much easier way. You’re also trading in your insurance policy. Let’s see how excited everyone is when Domingue is starting a playoff game. We won’t even get into team chemistry where I’d imagine word that their extremely respected Stanley Cup winning teammate is being dealt off for a rather insignificant piece after he came back to his hometown team and over performed expectations.

 

[effen]

People miss the idea of Kakko. They have plenty of guys who can put up 3 points in 20 games, and do.

Cuylle is already better than he is. Kakko still has a place on the team but he's always going to be the 3rd guy on his line. His arb number is gonna be so low I wouldn't trade him but he's JAG.

 

[Blue Blooded]

People miss the idea of Kakko. They have plenty of guys who can put up 3 points in 20 games, and do.

Cuylle is already better than he is. Kakko still has a place on the team but he's always going to be the 3rd guy on his line. His arb number is gonna be so low I wouldn't trade him but he's JAG.

Cuylle is better at scoring goals, hitting and worse at everything else. Kakko is the overall better player at this point and it's not particularly close.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Cuylle is better at scoring goals, hitting and worse at everything else. Kakko is the overall better player at this point and it's not particularly close.

People just look at the box score. You'd think this board would have some more reasonable takes, especially since wheeler went from absolutely terrible to borderline useful at times.
You also have the fact that his line was generating tons of chances.

 

[Profet]

One thing this org needs to get better at is deciding when to give out the NMC/NTC contracts.

They have been a disaster at this this far.

 

[Avery16]

Even if Quick would say yes do you think Toronto would give a first? That seems like pie in the sky by Larry imo.

He wrote it for the clicks

One thing this org needs to get better at is deciding when to give out the NMC/NTC contracts.

They have been a disaster at this this far.

Not to mention probably unnecessary. Panarin and Trouba wanted to come here. Goodrow got a massive overpay. Would they have not signed if not for those clauses?