Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Savant]

I say it's actually Fox dragging down Lindgren. Howaboutdatttt!!

Contrarian

The one thing that baffles me with Lindgren is that he is actually really good at walking the line and getting a shot on net. He almost never attempts it though (he scored a few games ago doing this.)

He ops for bad angle or shots have no chance of being anything but blocked.

Anyone who thinks that Lindgren hasn’t had a negative impact on Fox 5v5 this year is lying to themselves. Fox probably wins the Norris last year if he had a more capable partner too.

Fox should have won it either way. People just Blinded by EK65 points

How many crises do you think this team is having?

https://x.com/nyr_pr/status/1741289560041013565?s=46&t=WWGwhyQiVsqtB6-tfs442w

The regular season isn’t the problem for this team

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

The one thing that baffles me with Lindgren is that he is actually really good at walking the line and getting a shot on net. He almost never attempts it though (he scored a few games ago doing this.)

He ops for bad angle or shots have no chance of being anything but blocked.

Anyone who thinks that Lindgren hasn’t had a negative impact on Fox 5v5 this year is lying to themselves. Fox probably wins the Norris last year if he had a more capable partner too.

Lindgrens shot is like getting slapped in the face by a napkin from a kids birthday party.

 

[Bruner4329]

His cap hit sure hurt the team’s chance of winning though. That’s why they should trade Igor in the offseason

Yeah good idea. Have you bothered to look at how many supposedly good teams this year have suffered because of average goal tending. Toronto for one and look across the Hudson at the Devils for another. And the reason the Rangers are better than Boston is because of what is between the pipes. Take a look back at the last game we won in Boston 2-1.

 

[Bruner4329]

This board never stops amazing me. Can't believe the pages of posts dedicated to Lindgren being a problem. Some of you guys never give up. Some of the same bunch wanted to trade Kreider 2 years ago and wanted to drop Trocheck to the 3rd line center and at the same time push FC to the 2nd line. I guess one of these days you may be right on something. This team is not perfect but picking at straws here.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah good idea. Have you bothered to look at how many supposedly good teams this year have suffered because of average goal tending. Toronto for one and look across the Hudson at the Devils for another. And the reason the Rangers are better than Boston is because of what is between the pipes. Take a look back at the last game we won in Boston 2-1.

The Rangers haven't gotten particularly good goaltending this year.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The Rangers haven't gotten particularly good goaltending this year.

I disagree completely.

Quick has played almost lights out every game, and Igor is back to Igor and playing lights out again too.

A rough patch by Igor doesn't mean we haven't had good goaltending.

Edit -

Between all goalies, for all teams, Rangers have the 5th best save % in the league and 7th best GAA. That is largely because of good goaltending.

 

[Machinehead]

I disagree completely.

Quick has played almost lights out every game, and Igor is back to Igor and playing lights out again too.

A rough patch by Igor doesn't mean we haven't had good goaltending.

I don't know what you're "disagreeing" with. We're 15th in save percentage at even strength. They've been good, but not difference-making.

The poster said that's why we're better than Boston. Boston ranks 2nd just behind Winnipeg. They were 1st last year by a lot. Boston has better goaltending than we do.

That's not to say our goaltending is bad, far from it, but we're not leaning on it like a crutch anymore. That's a good thing.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I don't know what you're "disagreeing" with. We're 15th in save percentage at even strength. They've been good, but not difference-making.

The poster said that's why we're better than Boston. Boston ranks 2nd just behind Winnipeg. They were 1st last year by a lot. Boston has better goaltending than we do.

That's not to say our goaltending is bad, far from it, but we're not leaning on it like a crutch anymore. That's a good thing.

Why are you cherry picking "Even Strength?" Well I know why, because it fits your narrative better. 5th in the NHL among all time played on the ice. Not just PP, not just PK, not just ES.

Our goaltending has been good, actually very good for most of the season compared to the rest of the league. There is no argument to be made that we "haven't got particular good goaltending" this season, and that is the only thing you said in your original comment that I quoted. Nothing about leaning on our goaltending or anything.

 

[Machinehead]

There's like 50 good goalies. The teams that repeatedly can't find any just have terminally shitty defense corps.

It's about to be 2024 and Morgan pissing Rielly is still Toronto's best defensman. I wonder why they can't stop pucks from going in the net.

 

[Machinehead]

Why are you cherry picking "Even Strength?" Well I know why, because it fits your narrative better. 5th in the NHL among all time played on the ice. Not just PP, not just PK, not just ES.

Our goaltending has been good, actually very good for most of the season compared to the rest of the league. There is no argument to be made that we "haven't got particular good goaltending" this season, and that is the only thing you said in your original comment that I quoted. Nothing about leaning on our goaltending or anything.

I'm just going to write a post and sticky it on why people think even strength is what matters.

But that's neither here nor there. You're not understanding what the word "particularly" means.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I'm just going to write a post and sticky it on why people think even strength is what matters.

But that's neither here nor there. You're not understanding what the word "particularly" means.

Save your energy.

And you should look it up, professor.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There's like 50 good goalies. The teams that repeatedly can't find any just have terminally shitty defense corps.

It's about to be 2024 and Morgan pissing Rielly is still Toronto's best defensman. I wonder why stop pucks from going in the net.

I wouldn’t put that number at 50. I think the number is closer to 15 and multiple teams have 2 of them. If you want to say “capable” that’s probably around 30 and most teams don’t know wtf they’re doing with their goalies.

I thought Toronto came close to getting it right on the backend. TJ Brodie was a really good defenseman for a while.

Reilly is basically DeAngelo with a better reputation.

 

[Kendo]

If you don't think Miller is a good partner for Fox, I think you're insane, but I can't prove you're insane, so we'll agree to disagree.

At the start of the season, I was getting DRAGGED for suggesting that Miller should slot up with Fox if Lindy's injured. I want to see them tried together at times even with a healthy Lindy, but eff me.

This board never stops amazing me. Can't believe the pages of posts dedicated to Lindgren being a problem. Some of you guys never give up. Some of the same bunch wanted to trade Kreider 2 years ago and wanted to drop Trocheck to the 3rd line center and at the same time push FC to the 2nd line. I guess one of these days you may be right on something. This team is not perfect but picking at straws here.

I'm not all in on Hanifin at this point, but the upgrade would only cost about $3m going forward (speculating Lindy's and Hani's next deals). The idea has legs, but that might be the only move we have space for. But sure, there are over-exaggerations on both sides of that argument.

I never wanted trade CK, and he has performed above his pay so far. It wants easy to see 50 goals coming, but him performing well for the first 3/4 or so of that contract was easy to see. The haters were obviously smoking crack on that one.

If Fill is 100% healthy, I might still put him with Bread and push Tro down. Not an indictment of VT, but 10 72 13 had much better underlying numbers before Chytil's injury. All I'm saying is that our middle 6 C's are pretty swappable, which is a big plus. This just does not qualify for "wild things I've seen in this community."

 

[Machinehead]

I wouldn’t put that number at 50. I think the number is closer to 15 and multiple teams have 2 of them. If you want to say “capable” that’s probably around 30 and most teams don’t know wtf they’re doing with their goalies.

I thought Toronto came close to getting it right on the backend. TJ Brodie was a really good defenseman for a while.

Reilly is basically DeAngelo with a better reputation.

You're not wrong but the difference between capable and good is like .002.

 

[Mac n Gs]

For those in here that want Lindholm, have you seen him this year? He’s not remotely the same player, and I don’t think it’s worth the assets CGY would want for him at the deadline; not even factoring in the cap maneuvers it would require.

If Drury wants to spend a first+, make it a worthwhile investment by seeing what CBJ or CGY would want for Sillinger or Zary. Both would be great fits as centers to the roster long-term, depending on what happens to Chytil, or can easily shift to the W which they’ve both done plenty. Both fit the north-south style they want to play and have shown the ability to be able to finish between the circles. Neither player are likely even available, but it’s worth looking into it.

 

[Machinehead]

Save your energy.

And you should look it up, professor.

Shesterkin and Quick are good goaltenders and they've preformed well. Nobody is saying otherwise. Has their performance been notable league-wide? Is it saving our season? Are either of them in the Vezina conversation? No, no, and no.

The poster I responded to made it sound like our goaltending is carrying us and the example he used is Boston, a team that has lapped the field in save percentage since the start of last year.

If anything, Boston is the team he was describing.

 

[Flan the incredible]

and be able to run an insane defense, yes.

Yeah, $4m for someone who can play on the top pair with your best defenseman so you don’t have to pay another $3-$4m more for a bona fide top pair D - so the team can spend it elsewhere. This is besides the point that Lindgren has been having a down year so for and there’s plenty of room for him to improve the rest of the season to match how he performed last season.

BULL SHIT

Norris winner. Then runner-up. Surely Fox’ partner was hurting him.

Lindgren is an offensive black hole that does nothing well. Fox winning a Norris had zero to do with Lindgren. The love affair you all have with a player who isn't very good is weird at this point.

 

[Machinehead]

For those in here that want Lindholm, have you seen him this year? He’s not remotely the same player, and I don’t think it’s worth the assets CGY would want for him at the deadline; not even factoring in the cap maneuvers it would require.

If Drury wants to spend a first+, make it a worthwhile investment by seeing what CBJ or CGY would want for Sillinger or Zary. Both would be great fits as centers to the roster long-term, depending on what happens to Chytil, or can easily shift to the W which they’ve both done plenty. Both fit the north-south style they want to play and have shown the ability to be able to finish between the circles. Neither player are likely even available, but it’s worth looking into it.

Targeting a player that's struggling a bit might be the way to go. Sometimes it's cheap.

Derick Brassard and Ryan Strome were change of scenery players.

That being said, if they're charging what they would at his peak, then yeah, I might be less willing.

 

[Fitzy]

The Rangers haven't gotten particularly good goaltending this year.

Based on quality of shots? Because they're both well above the league average save percentage. Lots of teams can't hit .900 right now.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Lindgren is an offensive black hole that does nothing well. Fox winning a Norris had zero to do with Lindgren. The love affair you all have with a player who isn't very good is weird at this point.

Did I say I loved Lindgren?
For what he costs and what he provides he’s a great piece for us right now.
I’ve asked this before, and no one wants to take up this challenge.
Name a single defenseman not on an elc who is both better than he is and has a cheaper cap hit?

 

[Machinehead]

Based on quality of shots? Because they're both well above the league average save percentage. Lots of teams can't hit .900 right now.

I just meant that it wasn't anything I would write home about. It's been good and good is far as I would go.

We're not stealing games because of goaltending.

 

[ReddestRum]

There was so much shit talking against Igor during his rough stretch here that sometimes I don't understand the mentality of some of our fans.

People were shit talking Igor and talking up Quick as if he should take over the #1 spot, even though Quick was winning mostly against the bottom feeders of the NHL vs Igor having to go against teams that were actually a threat.

 

[Machinehead]

There was so much shit talking against Igor during his rough stretch here that sometimes I don't understand the mentality of some of our fans.

People were shit talking Igor and talking up Quick as if he should take over the #1 spot, even though Quick was winning mostly against the bottom feeders of the NHL vs Igor having to go against teams that were actually a threat.

I don't think anybody is shit talking Igor. There are just a lot of people that wouldn't give any goalie an 8-digit contract.

 

[kovazub94]

Lindgren is an offensive black hole that does nothing well. Fox winning a Norris had zero to do with Lindgren. The love affair you all have with a player who isn't very good is weird at this point.

No, it’s your obsession with offense from Fox’s partner is what’s weird. Fox can do pretty well on his own or rather more precisely - partnered with whatever top-6 forward group he’s typically with on the ice. Can there be a better partner than Lindgren to Fox? Of course! But is it easy to find at cap cost of Lindgren, not trade expensive either and with whom Fox would be so obviously comfortable to do what he does? Not impossible but I’m yet to see a name. And just in case - it’s not Miller - third coaching staff has stayed away from making this move. Of course you think they’re all idiots but just for the sake of amusement if nothing else - try playing devils advocate and argue for why is it so.

 

[ReddestRum]

I don't think anybody is shit talking Igor. There are just a lot of people that wouldn't give any goalie an 8-digit contract.

Lol! Come on, MH. The "we have a #1 goalie dilemma" posts were flying after Igor's last loss. "Washed up". "He's done". Etc.