Machinehead
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Idk maybe I just block out posts that are completely unserious.
The only earnest discussion about Quick "taking over" is whether it would be controversial to ride the hot hand until he cooled off.
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The only earnest discussion about Quick "taking over" is whether it would be controversial to ride the hot hand until he cooled off.
Fitzy
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From the posters with personality disorders, yeah.
I stick by my statement that Igor is a well above average goaltender, but that hes prone to slumps due to mental issues (Which is 99% of goalies not names Lundqvist or Brodeur, to be fair)
Machinehead
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Even Brodeur let in some of the biggest playoff whoppers in recent memory. Goalies are weird. That's why I don't like paying them a lot.
If there wasn't a cap, then absolutely, get the best one possible.
Lundqvist also often had some slow starts etc
Big thing will always be whether Igor is ready for the playoffs and playing well then.
Anyways been watching Lindgren a bit more lately and I think he's just trying to do too much. Look, when Adam Fox is your partner and you're trying to make the breakout stretch pass down the ice, just...don't. When you're trying to walk the line and then take the puck deep and make a play, just...don't. Your job is to play defense and move the puck accurately to Adam Fox. I mean, you can make some plays, sure that's fine, but you don't need to play like you're trying to prove you aren't being carried by Fox (because you are and you can't get away from that).
If he pulled it back just a bit he'd probably kill offensive possession a lot less. I dunno why people also are all upset about people stating Lindgren hasn't been good this year. In the past he's been better, that's what a lot of us are remembering and wishing he'd get back to. He hasn't been good this year, we feel like he could play better, but waving our hands in the air and going "but he's a warrior" isn't changing the stats about what he's doing right now. He needs to be better.
FINALLY...team definitely needs to make a move at some point but I think as long as they're winning then Drury isn't feeling pressured into jumping the gun early. But obviously they can't go past the trade deadline with Bonino as a center on a "3rd line", and while the "4th line" has been better (I think??) they don't score enough overall to be a real 3rd line replacement.
They need Kakko to come back and at least be a positive player who can create some offense and they need a center replacement whether it's Chytil coming back or someone who can push the offense a bit but not be terrible in other areas of the ice. I'd be happy with a Cuylle/Vesey-Chytil-Kakko "3rd line" (honestly probably would rather have Vesey up there) and think that would provide a lot of depth, but with Chytil an unknown then they probably have to fix that "3C" spot so the 4th line can go back to being the 4th line
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So Lindgren sucks, the Miller Trouba pairing sucks, Schneider sucks, the goaltending has been “OK”, but the team has the most points in the league going into 2024. I don’t have enough breadcrumbs to get me back home. Somebody get me a fancy chart so I can use it as a fan to cool off and help me breathe.
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I don’t care. You can’t commit that much cap to a goalie in this era unless you are doing Tampa/Vegas shenanigans. There is something in the middle of a Vezina winner and what Toronto has. Toronto also locked themselves into their roster and couldn’t improve. If the Rangers sign Igor, they are in the same boat.
It’s not personal it’s just cap management. Blame the Trouba deal and all the NMCs that got given out
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According to Moneypuck we're #1 in the league in GSAx. xG models are what they are, but goaltending has definitely been a strength.
Who said the goaltending has been just okay?
Igor had a rough patch but aside from that it’s been excellent collectively.
Igor had a rough patch but aside from that it’s been excellent collectively.
Ottawa chucked Brannstrom up at forward. Zach Jones at forward proponents are butt cised.
Machinehead
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Our total in that metric has been split pretty evenly between Quick and Shesterkin, so it's not a good argument to just hand Igor a blank check.
Machinehead
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I’m not a goalies are voodoo guy but I agree with this.
Just grab what ever knob is playing for Arizona for like 2 mill and let Benoit do
His thing.
Machinehead
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Machinehead
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Nah I think there are goalies who are good or can be good. Sometimes they play on really bad teams and/or have poor coaching.
I feel like Arizona does a good job selecting guys who are good but has no idea how to keep them good at this level.
I don’t think some of the other teams with goaltending issues do that. They suck at selecting and developing goalies
Machinehead
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You might be right in some cases. I also think some teams just play defense so bad that it breaks the scales of what analytics can measure. Toronto has an all-time bad defense corps. That's why all of their goalies suddenly suck. I hope that's the problem with the Devils.
On the other end of the spectrum, Boston pulled Tim Thomas out of a garbage can and he became the best goalie ever, then they did it with Ullmark, and now Jeremy Swayman is Hasek. The team has to be doing something that makes it easy to play goal.
There was a whole thing around the 2014 World Cup around key passes and key dribbles in soccer. A "key" pass or dribble is one where the attacker beats the defender that was covering him. It reached in and grabbed the crux of what produces offense, and analytics in the sport took off.
I still don't think hockey has found that silver bullet yet, if it exists at all. Some teams are doing it. Barry Trotz teams never gave up goals despite the underlying numbers repeatedly saying that they should have. But they haven't distilled it yet.
One is entering his prime years and the other is decidedly in his twilight. Their pay won’t be equal.
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The Crypto Guy
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But again, that’s not what you said:
Now you’ve gotten called out on the comment a few times and are changing the goalposts. You made a blank statement saying goaltending hasnt been particularly good. Stick with that and defend that(without moving goal posts or cherry pickings stats) or just admit you were wrong.
pld459666
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No one in CGY is having a decent go at it this year.
I still think, down season aside, Lindholm would be a great add.
Machinehead
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Fine, I was wrong. The way described it obviously didn't capture what was I trying to convey.
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pld459666
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I don't think MH was specifically saying "the Rangers goaltending has been bad" he was mostly getting at "The Rangers haven't been relying on their goaltending to the extent they have in other seasons and that's a GOOD thing"
Reading between the lines because context is hard etc etc I get "the Rangers goaltending hasn't been noteworthy this year but it has been good enough for what the Rangers need and that is a good thing in itself" and also "don't pay Shesterkin $8 mill/year + because a goalie isn't worth that in this cap league"
Reading between the lines because context is hard etc etc I get "the Rangers goaltending hasn't been noteworthy this year but it has been good enough for what the Rangers need and that is a good thing in itself" and also "don't pay Shesterkin $8 mill/year + because a goalie isn't worth that in this cap league"
Machinehead
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