Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[McRanger92]

The salary cap. The Rangers can’t afford those deals. If you could do like Brannstrom and Pinto, you might be able to fit that, but I think that’s more of like a Kakko/Jones deal than Lindgren.

if we are going to pretend would rather do Lindgren for Sandin because brothers but that’s not happening either

The difference is .4 million in cap space. Thats not insurmountable. Throw in a pick and get retention from the Sens. Thats the type of hockey trade id be looking to make. Im not really interested in rentals this year.

 

[Avery16]

Would anyone else be curious to see Jones play forward if we are down a forward in a game or other situation arises? I have no idea how Jones would do at forward but I'd like to see him there before we make any decision on him.

I feel like if he has any value left around the league that would just tank it.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm really not interested in Chychrun

 

[bhamill]

The difference is .4 million in cap space. Thats not insurmountable. Throw in a pick and get retention from the Sens. Thats the type of hockey trade id be looking to make. Im not really interested in rentals this year.

I LIKE the non interest in rentals. Unless a move puts you "over the top" it should be for more than one playoff run.

I feel like if he has any value left around the league that would just tank it.

Unless he was really GOOD at forward...
I am interested to see him as F as well. Nice to have a wing that can step back to the blueline mid game if needed.

 

[McRanger92]

I LIKE the non interest in rentals. Unless a move puts you "over the top" it should be for more than one playoff run.

Im fine with trading a throwaway mid round pick for a depth D or bottom 6 forward rental but I want to see them make a Tampa Bay (Goodrow/Coleman) or Colorado (Lehkonen) type trade. It's time. This year's first is as good as gone if something like that materializes. Between stealing Perrault with last years first and the fact that this one will be in the late 20s at best.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Drury could get Calgary to retain 50% on Hanifan and trade Lindgren as a primary piece, that would actually CREATE cap space

 

[bhamill]

Im fine with trading a throwaway mid round pick for a depth D or bottom 6 forward rental but I want to see them make a Tampa Bay (Goodrow/Coleman) or Colorado (Lehkonen) type trade. It's time. This year's first is as good as gone if something like that materializes. Between stealing Perrault with last years first and the fact that this one will be in the late 20s at best.

Fair.

 

[LOFIN]

Rentals are fine, if it's for a depth player and you don't pay that much. Josh Manson was a rental for the Avs, they paid a 2nd round pick for him (and an AHL prospect), at 50% retained. I don't mind a move like that. Mikkola was a rental last year, and filled his position very well for not a whole lot of cost (you would assume it was the 4th in the trade).

If you are going to ship away a 1st, a good prospect let alone a roster player, it better be for someone with term or control.

 

[RGY]

You’ve flamed the roster building thread for years buddy. We all know it. No matter what anyone would talk about you would repeating post Kane, Kane, Kane until it all turned into Kane debate. Anytime the conversation shifted away ,you’re there to talk about Kane. You’re not slick.

And if we’re going to keep score. Count up every summer when you’re on here wanting to offer every UFA contracts. Like wanting all 3 of Goodrow, Coleman and Alec Martinez. Bc they’re all dumpster fire contracts.

Again this just is not true. For years? Nope just last year when he was on an expiring contract. But again sure make shit up, much easier to do that spinning the fake news and sound cool.

And did you really just point to basically one offseason when Goodrow and Coleman became available? Putting aside the contract, Coleman plays the type of game we could use more of right now. Calgary is a dumpster fire. Hasn’t worked out. It happens. Alec Martinez, at the time, would have been a good depth addition. Did Vegas not win the cup with him on the team? Did i miss something? I mean what a reach you are going for. What other UFAs you got to name that i clamored for, you know since you are weirdly keeping score on me even though you claim you only pass through these boards every so often… creepy. Is it Panarin? Yea i was very much all about Panarin, one of the loudest supporters for signing him. Who else? Extending Kreider? Yep that was me. Drop the names big shot. East Coast BS.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I feel like if he has any value left around the league that would just tank it.

I understand your point. What if it was done in game based on a fwd injury? That would not be the case.

The NHL has had some pretty decent players move up and back in their careers. We did it with Gresh and Reijo years ago. Bob Brooke was a defensemen turned forward.

The Red Wings used to play Fedorov on defense at times.

Brent Burns played both.

 

[Avery16]

I LIKE the non interest in rentals. Unless a move puts you "over the top" it should be for more than one playoff run.


Unless he was really GOOD at forward...
I am interested to see him as F as well. Nice to have a wing that can step back to the blueline mid game if needed.

Why would he be good enough at forward to displace someone in our top nine, but not good enough at the position he's played his whole life to crack our top six?

Experimenting with him shows the league we don't think he's a good enough defenseman.

I understand your point. What if it was done in game based on a fwd injury? That would not be the case.

The NHL has had some pretty decent players move up and back in their careers. We did it with Gresh and Reijo years ago. Bob Brooke was a defensemen turned forward.

The Red Wings used to play Fedorov on defense at times.

Brent Burns played both.

I hear you, but all those players were really good in the first position before getting time at the second. Playing Jones at F would look more like Stu Bickel or Bert Robertsson than it would Burns or Feds.

 

[hardnosed]

Why would he be good enough at forward to displace someone in our top nine, but not good enough at the position he's played his whole life to crack our top six?

Experimenting with him shows the league we don't think he's a good enough defenseman.


I hear you, but all those players were really good in the first position before getting time at the second. Playing Jones at F would look more like Stu Bickel than it would Burns or Feds.

Jones would get murdered playing forward. Unfortunately he isn't big enough or strong enough to be an NHL player.

 

[McRanger92]

Jones would get murdered playing forward. Unfortunately he isn't big enough or strong enough to be an NHL player.

I think a lesser team could give him a power play role and pair him with a stay at home defender with size and he can still be effective. It doesnt help him or the Rangers that hes our #7.

 

[bhamill]

Why would he be good enough at forward to displace someone in our top nine, but not good enough at the position he's played his whole life to crack our top six?

Experimenting with him shows the league we don't think he's a good enough defenseman.


I hear you, but all those players were really good in the first position before getting time at the second. Playing Jones at F would look more like Stu Bickel or Bert Robertsson than it would Burns or Feds.

I didn't say he WOULD be good enough, but why only top nine?
Size is less of an issue at forward, so I'd like to see what he could do.
His value isn't exactly high, so I'm fine with "risking" the league thinking we don't think he's a good enough Dman... since he sits most games anyway because we don't think he's a good enough Dman...
Trying him at forward says we are looking for ways to get this guy on the ice, which seems a positive to me, but viewpoints, as always, will vary.

Jones would get murdered playing forward. Unfortunately he isn't big enough or strong enough to be an NHL player.

Jones is 5'11 185lbs... not exactly tiny... for a FORWARD.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Why would he be good enough at forward to displace someone in our top nine, but not good enough at the position he's played his whole life to crack our top six?

Experimenting with him shows the league we don't think he's a good enough defenseman.


I hear you, but all those players were really good in the first position before getting time at the second. Playing Jones at F would look more like Stu Bickel or Bert Robertsson than it would Burns or Feds.

I understand your concern. I would not want to lower his value. The question might be what is his value? If a forward gets injured during a game I do not think it would lower his value to sub him in for a handful of shifts. Another idea would be to let him take some shifts at forward during practice. Just to check that box before making any future decisions on him.

 

[GAGLine]

The difference is .4 million in cap space. Thats not insurmountable. Throw in a pick and get retention from the Sens. Thats the type of hockey trade id be looking to make. Im not really interested in rentals this year.

That assumes Pinto signs for 900k. Maybe after the suspension, he'd be willing to sign for that for one year, but that number wasn't getting it done before the season. I wouldn't assume it will get it done now.

 

[Avery16]

I didn't say he WOULD be good enough, but why only top nine?
Size is less of an issue at forward, so I'd like to see what he could do.
His value isn't exactly high, so I'm fine with "risking" the league thinking we don't think he's a good enough Dman... since he sits most games anyway because we don't think he's a good enough Dman...
Trying him at forward says we are looking for ways to get this guy on the ice, which seems a positive to me, but viewpoints, as always, will vary.


Jones is 5'11 185lbs... not exactly tiny... for a FORWARD.

You want to see what Jones adds to our checking line? He coughs up the puck as it is.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I didn't say he WOULD be good enough, but why only top nine?
Size is less of an issue at forward, so I'd like to see what he could do.
His value isn't exactly high, so I'm fine with "risking" the league thinking we don't think he's a good enough Dman... since he sits most games anyway because we don't think he's a good enough Dman...
Trying him at forward says we are looking for ways to get this guy on the ice, which seems a positive to me, but viewpoints, as always, will vary.


Jones is 5'11 185lbs... not exactly tiny... for a FORWARD.

Used to be that many of the greatest players were on the 5-10 to 5-11 range. Isn't Vince in that range?

 

[McRanger92]

That assumes Pinto signs for 900k. Maybe after the suspension, he'd be willing to sign for that for one year, but that number wasn't getting it done before the season. I wouldn't assume it will get it done now.

Im just assuming he would sign whatever QO he got if he was traded to a local team (for him) and a Cup contender.

 

[bhamill]

Used to be that many of the greatest players were on the 5-10 to 5-11 range. Isn't Vince in that range?

Tro is listed at 5'11 184 pounds...

 

[GAGLine]

Im just assuming he would sign whatever QO he got if he was traded to a local team (for him) and a Cup contender.

And I'm saying that might not be the case.

Also keep in mind that Ottawa has no cap space once Chabot comes off LTIR. The money would have to be equal.

Let's see what happens with Pinto when he comes off suspension.

 

[McRanger92]

Saw on twitter, the Rangers are 124-57-20 since the Wilson incident and firings of Gorton, JD & Quinn. We're not a perfect team but we're clearly very f'ing good. Enjoy these times while they last.

And I'm saying that might not be the case.

Also keep in mind that Ottawa has no cap space once Chabot comes off LTIR. The money would have to be equal.

Let's see what happens with Pinto when he comes off suspension.

Well its either that or dont play. Its all a hypothetical anyway.

 

[Avery16]

Im just assuming he would sign whatever QO he got if he was traded to a local team (for him) and a Cup contender.

You don't think he'd consider an offer sheet somewhere with more of a positional need, and that a team would likely offersheet him if signed at 900k?

 

[McRanger92]

You don't think he'd consider an offer sheet somewhere with more of a positional need, and that a team would likely offersheet him if signed at 900k?

Capfriendly says hes not eligible for an offer sheet

Pinto really does not have a ton of leverage, hence why he was not playing before the suspension news. Reading the tea leaves, he just doesnt want to be in Ottawa. Can anyone blame him?

 

[Avery16]

Tro is listed at 5'11 184 pounds...

And if Zac Jones played like Vincent Trocheck, he'd/we'd be in pretty good shape.