Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[bernmeister]

It's time for this team to make a "go for it" trade that can get you a legit player on the cheap for a couple runs to the Cup. That's been my opinion since the summer. If not now, when? Our core of top players are all currently in their prime. The light for Drury has never been greener, especially when we have 3-4 interesting wing prospects currently playing well in Hartford.

no
as bern has proven by citing examples of recent history, win now fails 99% of the time in all sports
AND
if it were just $$$ that would be one thing

Talent available now costs a profit to the other team now in assets, including picks and prospects

We pay too much and we are effed down the road w/lack of depth

The Lindgren for Hanifin idea thats been put out there makes a ton of sense to me. I remain skeptical the organization pulls the trigger on something like that mid-season, but I think it would be a smart move if they did.

Lindy ++ for Hani + is a fictitious dream that does not exist.
Get real.

In a weird way, I kind of think Ottawa is a good match for this. If Rangers acknowledge their puck moving weaknesses, do they roll the dice on a guy like Brannstrom? Can they get Shane Pinto out of there? That's along the lines of where I would be looking.

I agree Sens possibly something, but we have to not squander assets on fringe pieces and must examine whether we can get more of a foundation piece out of them given their current woes, which includes having to surrender a #1 draft pick over the next [I believe] 3 years.

NO on Bran
Yes on Pinto

Yeah its been speculated by posters here. And how do you know they arent interested? They have a long-term need on the left side of the defense, why wouldnt they be?

bold = not so much

of course, they are not listening to bern, which is exacerbating the problem.
They are playing Jones and not Robertson, who should be in there growing pains, warts and all; at least he has the physical tools.

I am bullish on Scanlin and think MAYBE he can be ready to compete training camp, and needing some more time but looking good is Fortescue.

Add KAM + stopgap Gus and even selling high on Lindy, which should have been done already, we are ok


It is righty shot RD where we are crazy thin, and this is why I say if we can do a nice prospect for prosect type mutually agreeable currency for ANA's Helleson, THAT is something to be explored.

 

[ncdoc]

This mentality is the bane of my hockey fan existence. Why even come here for discussion if you genuinely believe that coaches/management, who have a million things on their plate, are immune to poor philosophy/decision making/talent evaluation. Being critical of something the coach does doesn’t mean you think you’re “smarter” than them or have more overall hockey knowledge.

It is the tone and implications of these posts. So and so is and idiot... So and so can't read the team... So and so has favorites... Who here is in that room? Who sees practices? Who sees what the players feel and their roles are on a day to day basis? It is ok in my mind to question the coaches, the decision making, and the players. We have a top team right now. All luck? Someone is doing something right. I just hate the condescending nature of a lot of the posts to players, management, coaching. I relly enjoy constructive criticism and ideas. It just seems we devolve into neanderthal behavior here, especially when we lose.

 

[effen]

It is the tone and implications of these posts. So and so is and idiot... So and so can't read the team... So and so has favorites... Who here is in that room? Who sees practices? Who sees what the players feel and their roles are on a day to day basis? It is ok in my mind to question the coaches, the decision making, and the players. We have a top team right now. All luck? Someone is doing something right. I just hate the condescending nature of a lot of the posts to players, management, coaching. I relly enjoy constructive criticism and ideas. It just seems we devolve into neanderthal behavior here, especially when we lose.

I'd really like to remove the Mean Girls schtick from whatever the whipping boy of the month is. Post after post after post after post of the same insulting comments on the same guy(s).

Other than that I think the board is pretty well behaved all things considered .

 

[ncdoc]

I'd really like to remove the Mean Girls schtick from whatever the whipping boy of the month is. Other than that I think the board is pretty well behaved all things considered.

I agree. Could always be worse I guess. A team missing 2 top nine players doing this well is amazing to me. It is so much easier to berate against winning the cup because odds are you'll be right.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

It is the tone and implications of these posts. So and so is and idiot... So and so can't read the team... So and so has favorites... Who here is in that room? Who sees practices? Who sees what the players feel and their roles are on a day to day basis? It is ok in my mind to question the coaches, the decision making, and the players. We have a top team right now. All luck? Someone is doing something right. I just hate the condescending nature of a lot of the posts to players, management, coaching. I relly enjoy constructive criticism and ideas. It just seems we devolve into neanderthal behavior here, especially when we lose.

I don’t really care whether the original comment is stupid and emotional or sound constructive criticism. “He’s the coach and he’s smarter than you” is always going to be a lame retort. Address the actual point someone makes. Any time someone drops that response I just picture an old fart seething in a chair clutching a Sherwood

 

[ncdoc]

I don’t really care whether the original comment is stupid and emotional or sound constructive criticism. “He’s the coach and he’s smarter than you” is always going to be a lame retort. Address the actual point someone makes. Any time someone drops that response I just picture an old fart seething in a chair clutching a Sherwood

I stand by my point. if the coach is smarter than you is lame so are over 50% of these comments made. No old fart, no sherwood. just been following this team a long time. and over the years I have seen the posters are almost never right unless they predict no SC which is easy to do because most of the time you will never win it.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I stand by my point. if the coach is smarter than you is lame so are over 50% of these comments made. No old fart, no sherwood. just been following this team a long time. and over the years I have seen the posters are almost never right unless they predict no SC which is easy to do because most of the time you will never win it.

It sounds lazy when you say it like that - I think the better point (and maybe what you mean) is that the coach is in the room, is privy to things we’re not, is there at practice, interacts with all the players. He has access to more information

 

[ncdoc]

It sounds lazy when you say it like that - I think the better point (and maybe what you mean) is that the coach is in the room, is privy to things we’re not, is there at practice, interacts with all the players. He has access to more information

Thank you. I thought tht was implied from my post. Sorry if not clear. I respect 80shockey posts too. maybe I did not state thngs cearly. I love dicussions and ideas. I just think there is too much negative here. May be just me.

 

[RGY]

Hilarious you’re whining about people shoving things down your throat. I only casually read this board. Posters all blend together. But I know your name, because for 2 years you’ve just endlessly posted about Kane. Unprompted, nonstop just carrying on about him. Never ending. Picking fights with people. Turning every thread into Kane.

This is simply not true if you have been reading these boards my guy. I got onto the Kane train last year when there were legitimate signs pointing to it. Nothing was unprompted, its the roster building thread. And guess what, it happened. But i guess exaggerate all you want, much easier to do that than to talk with any credibility or truth, such as suggesting i turned every thread into a kane discussion. Be more dramatic and flame the falsehoods because it sounds cool.



Oh look every one Kane scored again tonight. Again hate all you want people, but he is still producing and that was always my point.

 

[egelband]

I’d like to see Edstrom get some more games but we’ve been down 2 top 6 forwards for about a month now. The attrition of the season will sometimes lead to us playing plugs more than we want. I’m ok with the logic of that especially because we do nothing but win games

Yep. The guys who broke camp are the incumbents and will play until injury or otherwise a spare or depth guy has to step in. That’s always how it goes. I wouldn’t mind edstrom or Othmann or other young bloods getting a bigger role but that’s going to be left up to attrition as you point out. Nothing to be surprised or upset about.

 

[RGY]

Wheeler has been good but I am not sure he holds up in that 1RW spot for the whole season and into the playoffs. I think Kakko makes sense there and you slide Wheeler back down.

Can they afford to grab a guy like Gourde? I think Lindholm will cost way too much, but it would be nice to get more center depth. Monahan? Will his knees hold up?

 

[Savant]

Wheeler has been good but I am not sure he holds up in that 1RW spot for the whole season and into the playoffs. I think Kakko makes sense there and you slide Wheeler back down.

Can they afford to grab a guy like Gourde? I think Lindholm will cost way too much, but it would be nice to get more center depth. Monahan? Will his knees hold up?

Monaghan is trash. Gourde probably costs more than Lindholm does

 

[McRanger92]

Monaghan is trash. Gourde probably costs more than Lindholm does

I’d be willing to pay for 2 runs with Gourde so long as we can make the cap space work.

 

[RGY]

Monaghan is trash. Gourde probably costs more than Lindholm does

I agree on Monahan.

I dont think Gourde costs more than Lindholm because of the overall production throughout their respective careers.

What are the other options. Drury is not going to sit on his hands. The GM shelf life is too short to not attempt to capitalize now

 

[Savant]

I’d be willing to pay for 2 runs with Gourde so long as we can make the cap space work.

Well you can’t make the cap work and Seattle probably isn’t selling. Probably a pipe dream. Rangers had their chance to get Gourde and likely blew it

I agree on Monahan.

I dont think Gourde costs more than Lindholm because of the overall production throughout their respective careers.

What are the other options. Drury is not going to sit on his hands. The GM shelf life is too short to not attempt to capitalize now

Lindholm costs less because he is a rental.

As for other options, I think that really depends on what this team thinks it’s needs to upgrade. They can look at a couple different positions, but do they really have assets to make more than a move or two? Hard to say. Most important thing that they need to do is not make the Cap any worse. So even if you have to overpay you need to be looking in that 2.5m or less range; likely even on a rental. Even if you have to overpay for that guy; you can make that move if you are pushing in the chips.

 

[RangerBoy]

Drury needs to acquire a D. Trouba took a head shot tonight. It wasn't illegal. Chytil and Kakko come back. The Rangers are fine. Their D needs more depth.

 

[yada]

Hate to hear that trouba was a headshot. Wasnt sure if the head made contact w wilson or it was an arm/shoulder from reaching

 

[Barnaby]

That's like saying nothing is stopping Kreider from being that guy either. It's not their games. We've seen Kakko play a physical brand of hockey and he can shed off attackers. He's a PIA to play against for most d-men just due to his size, reach and strength as it is. Just because he isn't plowing guys over doesn't mean he is not difficult to play against.

The phrase, “Difficult to play against,” never once crossed my mind while watching Kakko play. He’s been the “support” guy on pretty much every line he’s been on and he’s never driven to the net with any sort of consistency. I suppose he is good at shedding defenders as he turns towards the opponents boards with the puck instead of towards their net. To be clear, I haven’t written him off, but I need to start seeing something. I’m not giving him away in a trade, but I am listening. Would Othmann be markedly worse?

I’ve always wanted to see Kreider have a bit more Cam Neely in him, but make no mistake, he is a force around the net. Especially on the PP. His foot speed also brings another aspect of difficulty to be aware of. Kakko does neither of these things.

 

[McRanger92]

Drury needs to acquire a D. Trouba took a head shot tonight. It wasn't illegal. Chytil and Kakko come back. The Rangers are fine. Their D needs more depth.

Drury needs to find a way to make an impactful move or 2 around the deadline. If its moving money out or LTIR shenanigans. The Metro is terrible. The Atlantic is what it is. Boston is not the same team. Big test with Florida on Friday. The runway is clear for the Rangers. The team can't be 1 injury away from major minutes to smurfs like Lindgren and Jones. And upfront it would be nice to not have to rely on old man Wheeler(who has been overall very good) or the Invisible Man on the top line. Call up Othmann, that could be a potential solution to the RW problem.

 

[East Coast Bias]

This is simply not true if you have been reading these boards my guy. I got onto the Kane train last year when there were legitimate signs pointing to it. Nothing was unprompted, its the roster building thread. And guess what, it happened. But i guess exaggerate all you want, much easier to do that than to talk with any credibility or truth, such as suggesting i turned every thread into a kane discussion. Be more dramatic and flame the falsehoods because it sounds cool.



Oh look every one Kane scored again tonight. Again hate all you want people, but he is still producing and that was always my point.

You’ve flamed the roster building thread for years buddy. We all know it. No matter what anyone would talk about you would repeating post Kane, Kane, Kane until it all turned into Kane debate. Anytime the conversation shifted away ,you’re there to talk about Kane. You’re not slick.

And if we’re going to keep score. Count up every summer when you’re on here wanting to offer every UFA contracts. Like wanting all 3 of Goodrow, Coleman and Alec Martinez. Bc they’re all dumpster fire contracts.

 

[Vitto79]

So are we on the Tarasenko train again ?
What gritty Fs can be added as UFAs?

 

[Vitto79]

Just listening to NHL Radio and was advised that the Rangers are 26th in the league at 5v5.



Woof.

They are always crap 5v5 goals for
I imagine goals against isn’t bad
All special teams and G . They live and die on it

 

[NYR Viper]

So are we on the Tarasenko train again ?
What gritty Fs can be added as UFAs?

No, I am not. The team could really use a defenseman.

 

[Vitto79]

No, I am not. The team could really use a defenseman.

Pretty sure they will get both but that means Jones likely gets traded.

 

[KennyWu]

They are always crap 5v5 goals for
I imagine goals against isn’t bad
All special teams and G . They live and die on it

up to 24th with 65 GF 5v5
14th least (or 19th most) GA 5v5 with 67

So -2 at 5v5