Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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Even in that scenario, I would prefer Miller-Fox and Hanifin-Trouba. I don't understand the aversion to Miller-Fox. It makes a ton of sense to me on paper and they've slayed in the short time they've been together.
I suppose Laviolette simply didn't want to re-build everything in one fell swoop. Fox-Lindgren is less broken than other parts of the team. And D pairings usually don't get changed up much mid-season barring injury. Hopefully we can see Fox-Miller next year though. I agree, is the obvious best way forward.
 
People still pining for Kane seem to forget that the playoffs are about speed, desire, and crashing the net. We’ll see if Bread decides to play that way this year - it looks like he is going to try.

Kane is physically unable to and we don’t need him on the PP. No role here. Very glad he wasn’t signed.

Get me another player to put the opposing D under duress and cause some havoc to create the bounces that you need to get to win 50/50 playoff games.
We have him already...we call him Chris Kreider . He can do all that and then some if he wants to get Rambo like with his speed and hit a few guys along the way to the crease and arrive there in a nasty mood . Just leave the goalie bumping out of the mix and he is good to go . Sad we never see him flying down the wing these days and pasting guys . It is bad that the Canadian press neutered him after the Price incident and still continue to do today . Just because he stopped playing that style does not mean the bad press stopped . Somebody like Adam Graves should have a long sit down with him and tell him he can play the wing like he used to do so and still score PP tip in goals .
 
We have him already...we call him Chris Kreider . He can do all that and then some if he wants to get Rambo like with his speed and hit a few guys along the way to the crease and arrive there in a nasty mood . Just leave the goalie bumping out of the mix and he is good to go . Sad we never see him flying down the wing these days and pasting guys . It is bad that the Canadian press neutered him after the Price incident and still continue to do today . Just because he stopped playing that style does not mean the bad press stopped . Somebody like Adam Graves should have a long sit down with him and tell him he can play the wing like he used to do so and still score PP tip in goals .
The Price incident was the final straw -- prior to that, Kreider had been penalized for a number of hits which were marginal at best. I agree on the Graves idea -- I said at the time that the Rangers would benefit if they hired a former power forward to teach Kreider how to use his "gifts".
 
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Not my 3 but ok

I feel like this is fake to inflate Tronna fan's egos "they hate us cuz they ain't us!!!" type shit. Toronto just always has to be the center of the hockey world no matter how good or bad the press is. Which is why that list may even be remotely accurate. But yeah Rangers fans are 100% Debs, Piles, Pens/Phi/Caps/Boston are all acceptable 3s. I've never met a Leafs fan other than online my entire life.
 
Even if that scenario did play out, so what?

Miller becomes one of the top shutdown defensemen in the league but he puts up like 5 fewer points?

Oh no. The world as we know it is over and there's no point to living.
Fox ends up with even more secondary assists as KAM gets sprung to lead the rush.

Fox is great at what Miller is bad at. Miller is great at what Fox is bad at. Defense is a 5 man job.

Gus OTOH is ripe to get exposed on a top pairing. He does dumb shit, and I don't want that negating random Fox wizardry.
 
I think Miller/Fox had some "moments" to the eye test and spooked a lot of people/coaches

I'd be fine with giving it ago if it didn't fuss with the rest of the pairings. As long as Fox can carry Lindgren it's OK, but I dunno about a Schneider/Lindgren pairing
 
WTF did we do to Chicago and Vegas?
You have to keep in mind that OP put "hates" in the graphic which is misleading. His poll questions was "most annoying." That's two different things.

I could see where a fanbase as large as ours can be annoying, and there are teams I don't give a rats ass about in terms of rivalry that I find to have very annoying fanbases on HF.
 
Because I gave up on breaking up Miller and Trouba. I got a feeling that there's a reason we aren't privy to that explains why Trouba and Miller is in concrete. We have seen injuries take out different Dmen in the past few years and no matter who is in the lineup, we still get Miller and Trouba.
This team went through an entire training camp and came to the conclusion that Jimmy Vesey should be scratched over Nick Bonino. A lot of these decisions are just old guys wheeling and dealing random shit
 
The Rangers have a 21 player roster. The Rangers could have a 22 or 23 player roster. The Rangers are accruing money with the 21 player roster. It's peanuts compared to having 22 players with no Brodzinski. The Rangers send players up and down so they can accrue some space instead of no space. They have brought up Domingue, Mackey, Robertson, Nash, etc and the accrual process stops. Send then down. Process starts.

49 days and counting with players on LTIR. 152 days before the trading deadline. Do the math.
Stop line numbering?
 
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That trade is like finding a needle in a haystack. Just not very realistic that everything falls together where Drury finds a perfect match. First off, eliminate all rebuilding teams because Lindgren has only one year left before he's an UFA. That leaves you with contenders who are trying to do the same as us; make themselves better. So he has to go to a team that needs his style. So we aren't getting his style of Dman back. Maybe we get a younger LD with some offensive ability. That what everyone wants. But would Drury and Lav want that. Not a chance. He should be moved in the off-season because while Drury is trading Lindgren, he can also re structure the whole defense.
I'm open to, but not sold on trading Lindgren for Hanifin.

Lindgren having that one RFA year makes him a match for more teams, not fewer. Him having that one year of RFA is a good thing. For a rebuilding team, "one year away from UFA" is infinitely more valuable than "impending UFA."

I could argue against someone downplaying his trade value just as much as someone downplaying the value of keeping him.
Even if that scenario did play out, so what?

Miller becomes one of the top shutdown defensemen in the league but he puts up like 5 fewer points?

Oh no. The world as we know it is over and there's no point to living.
I agree with you often (but not always). When you go full snark, it's like 95% legit. LOL
Hafanin doesn't play playoff hockey. 0 goals in 27 games. Been outscored 25-10 when on the ice at 5v5 in 27 games. Throw in another 5 GA in 33 mins of PK time. I don't think we need another guy who chokes on the big stage.
I agree a little bit. My worry is that Hanifin is just a younger "NA" version of Gustafsson. A guy that can flirt with 40 points but has concerning flaws recognized by GMs and fans alike. In a perfect world, he is simply a younger Skjei. Minor flaws, but generates offense and passes the eye test an acceptable amount of the time. In that perfect world, Hanifin is an older more expensive Miller. That's the wager.

Lindgren flirts with 20 points and is loved by coaches, Foxy, and other teammates alike, despite mixed feelings amongst fans due to raw production. Fair. But that lower payout than what Hanifin would command affords us space elsewhere. Until I'm swayed, 55 - 23 - 79 - 8 is a fine D core to plan around. Trouba's a little overpaid and Schneider is a ton of fun on the cheap!

An economical solution to our C/RW depth going forward could convince me to swap Lindy for Hani. That's just tied to the conversation. The "space elsewhere."

I have no doubt Hanifin winds up on the Devils especially they get their LTIR shenanigan money.

Don’t think we can shop that high up market either
Driving up the price for them yet missing out is actually a great move. 4D chess would be making the swap while making an underrated move at F as well.
fitting him next season isn't really a problem with Lindgren being moved
He will certainly make more than Lindgren next season, so there is certainly math involved.

If we go:
10 - 16 - 13
20 - 93 - 24
50 - 72 - Awesome C/RW that's under 26 and does everything we've wanted Goodie and/or Wheeler to do?

Then yeah, we can do the swap with no question. If we want to spend any money at C/RW, then the difference between Lindy and Hani's upcoming salaries becomes "the whole question."
 
He's not untouchable, that is nuts. If you get value, or even get overpay, ANYONE can be moved in the interest of the team.
Yeah, show me one post where Lindgren is labeled “untouchable”??? But put upgrading him in the context of the Rangers situation and sorry if we’re having doubts about realistic feasibility of such development in-season without a big overpayment (and in this case the same posters who call for this upgrade will be screaming bloody murder and calling for Drury’s head on a stick).
 
Even in that scenario, I would prefer Miller-Fox and Hanifin-Trouba. I don't understand the aversion to Miller-Fox. It makes a ton of sense to me on paper and they've slayed in the short time they've been together.
I will leave assertion that Miller would become a better defender than Lindgren when paired with Fox for another day, but the issue that we’re trying to address is on the offensive side. And here is my issue. I get the concern that Lindgren can’t keep up as needed with Fox (even though personally I think he Lindgren was much better at it last season so I’m still hopeful that he has room for improvement that is not just wishful thinking). But when we assert that the issue is puck control, ie passing and Miller is not much better at it than Lindgren. So I can see why yet another coaching staff doesn’t want to shuffle Fox-Lindgren and Trouba-Miller because losing the developed chemistry benefits won’t be offset by implement elsewhere like offense from Fox’s pair.
 
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