Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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Admittedly it's not a huge sample but here's the goals for per 60 for each pair since 21-22:

Miller-Fox: 2.77
Miller-Trouba: 2.73

If you're that concerned about Miller's output (BTW I'm not, I'm comfortable with who he is and points do nothing but make him more expensive) the team is slightly more likely to score when he's with Fox.
 
The answer to Fox's deficiencies isn't to put Miller with Fox, it's to trade for and sign Hanifan. Then you have Miller and Hanifan split up on two pairing and the speed and overall talent on the back-end goes up considerably.
Even in that scenario, I would prefer Miller-Fox and Hanifin-Trouba. I don't understand the aversion to Miller-Fox. It makes a ton of sense to me on paper and they've slayed in the short time they've been together.
 
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Sure that works too. Either way the answer is Hanifan
I like the idea of Hanifin. He's good all over the ice.

@GoAwayPanarin has touched on it again and again - defensemen who are good at one thing are a dinosaur.

People don't want to get rid of Lindgren because they suddenly hate Lindgren. They want to upgrade on Lindgren because he blows chunks at offense.

It goes the other way too. Yeah, Tony DeAngelo is an asshole. So is Corey Perry and he had consistent work until he was 38. Everyone on the Blackhawks back in the day was an asshole. Kane being Kane, covering up the Beach thing, Sharp and Keith fighting over Keith's wife; they won three Cups together. When they weren't winning the Cups, the Cups were going to LA where the whole locker room was very into, let's say, sugar and caffeine. DeAngelo would find more consistent work if he wasn't an ECHL player in his own zone.
 
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The Rangers had $675,084 in cap space to begin the season. 13 forwards. 7 D. 2 goalies. 22 players. The Rangers didn’t have enough money for an extra player even if they wanted a 23 player on the roster. The Rangers were looking at $3M at trade deadline day. Capfriedly had them with $3M. I did the math. It was $3.2M. That's with the Rangers having the same 22 player roster until March 8. That was not happening. Players get hurt. Short term injuries. Players get sick. Still the Rangers were looking at more space in October than they are right now.

192 season. There will be 40 days remaining in the NHL regular season at trade deadline day on March 8. The CBA says 40 days. It is 40 days. It used to be 26 days in the old CBA. Pre-2005.

The Rangers had to place Fox on LTIR on November 3. They recalled Brodzinski. Their ACSL is $83,492,104. $7,896 below the upper limit.

The Rangers have been using LTIR since November 3. First Fox. Then Chytil and Kakko.

The Rangers have a 21 player roster. The Rangers could have a 22 or 23 player roster. The Rangers are accruing money with the 21 player roster. It's peanuts compared to having 22 players with no Brodzinski. The Rangers send players up and down so they can accrue some space instead of no space. They have brought up Domingue, Mackey, Robertson, Nash, etc and the accrual process stops. Send then down. Process starts.

49 days and counting with players on LTIR. 152 days before the trading deadline. Do the math.
 
Even in that scenario, I would prefer Miller-Fox and Hanifin-Trouba. I don't understand the aversion to Miller-Fox. It makes a ton of sense to me on paper and they've slayed in the short time they've been together.
They have only played together during 4 on 4s or when we are pressing late to tie. Never seen a coach deploy them together at 5 on 5.
 
That trade is like finding a needle in a haystack. Just not very realistic that everything falls together where Drury finds a perfect match. First off, eliminate all rebuilding teams because Lindgren has only one year left before he's an UFA. That leaves you with contenders who are trying to do the same as us; make themselves better. So he has to go to a team that needs his style. So we aren't getting his style of Dman back. Maybe we get a younger LD with some offensive ability. That what everyone wants. But would Drury and Lav want that. Not a chance. He should be moved in the off-season because while Drury is trading Lindgren, he can also re structure the whole defense.
You just need to find a GM under pressure from ownership to make moves to make the team better to make the playoffs that would cough up a blue chip future piece.

I'm looking at you, Arizona.
 
They've played 173 minutes together 5v5. Almost three entire games of 5v5 hockey.

Eye test wins again.
That's rediculous. That 173 is spread over years and is only when we needed a goal late. As far back as I recall, they have never been teamed to start a game.

You just need to find a GM under pressure from ownership to make moves to make the team better to make the playoffs that would cough up a blue chip future piece.

I'm looking at you, Arizona.
And what do we do in the meantime, play Jones?
 
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That's rediculous. That 173 is spread over years and is only when we needed a goal late. As far back as I recall, they have never been teamed to start a game.
Now we're moving the goal posts. You said you never saw it. It has happened and they spent some legit time together last year when Lindgren was hurt and we were basically rolling with five.
 
What does that first part even mean? So just because it makes sense to add a complimentary RWer to Kreider-Zibanejad to complete the line from an offensive perspective (like literally every team does) that is the same as saying those guys are not good enough? Like what? Just a bizarre take.

I have watched him play. He is moving better than last year. He looks quicker. He doesn’t look cooked and he factually has 6 points in 8 games. And bringing up the cap situation doesn’t make sense either. The fact that we have little cap space to find a complimentary RWer for that Kreider-Zibanejad line coupled with his low salary that will be prorated at the deadline is actually why it would make sense and fit the best with less retention needed than would be for many other options out there, i.e., Vatrano, Duclair, Tarasenko.

Cant wait to be told this is the roster Building thread and the Kane talk should be suppressed, while reading pages and pages about the other guys who will likely be available…
I have watched him also, on more than one occasion. Someone made a good assessment, he's got a great shot still and when given the space will make plays. He's not effective on the forecheck, he's certainly not back on every backcheck, and his speed looks marginally better at best. And I would concede that just for the sake of healthy debate. He's fresh off that surgery, how will all that hold up?

Asking him to elevate the play of your star players who are in their prime, is asking too much. He's 34 and has as many miles on him as a 37 year old? Sounds fair without me looking up the games and doing the math. Lot of extra post-season games which equals less recovery time. There's a reason he had a major injury, and needed a major surgery. As I mentioned, there was previous examples (as recent as last year with Backstrom) of this not being successful and 'resetting' a player.

My assessment has been consistent with Kane, which I even made in my original reply to you. Most fans have been sold a bad bill of goods, and have fallen for fool's gold. It is a pure example of why you should manage your expectations. As Rangers fans, we all should have had foresight on bringing on a wrong-side-of-30 aging superstar that has lingering injury issues. I wish he had left Chicago at 30, that would have been fun.

He's not a needle moving player and in fact I would argue that he needs more ice time than he can handle physically to get as many points as he needs at this point. To use a current buzzword, he's a PP merchant that needs a very right situation. Again, a point I've made time and time again, use these kids and bring them up. If you wanna target someone from the bargain bin at the deadline that fits our needs better, cool. Otherwise, bring up anyone of these plethora of young hungry kids we have to fill in for injuries until then.

The Kane saga has just been so tiresome. He's cooked (relative to what he was). There's not room for him here.
 
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I have no doubt Hanifin winds up on the Devils especially they get their LTIR shenanigan money.

Don’t think we can shop that high up market either
 
Now we're moving the goal posts. You said you never saw it. It has happened and they spent some legit time together last year when Lindgren was hurt and we were basically rolling with five.
Moving what goalposts? You're the one trying to use 173 minutes over a few years when most of those minutes were when we needed a goal quickly. Defense wasn't a consideration
 
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I have watched him also, on more than one occasion. Someone made a good assessment, he's got a great shot still and when given the space will make plays. He's not effective on the forecheck, he's certainly not back on every backcheck, and his speed looks marginally better at best. And I would concede that just for the sake of healthy debate. He's fresh off that surgery, how will all that hold up?

Asking him to elevate the play of your star players who are in their prime, is asking too much. He's 34 and has as many miles on him as a 37 year old? Sounds fair without me looking up the games and doing the math. Lot of extra post-season games which equals less recovery time. There's a reason he had a major injury, and needed a major surgery. As I mentioned, there was previous examples (as recent as last year with Backstrom) of this not being successful and 'resetting' a player.

My assessment has been consistent with Kane, which I even made in my original reply to you. Most fans have been sold a bad bill of goods, and have fallen for fool's gold. It is a pure example of why you should manage your expectations. As Rangers fans, we all should have had foresight on bringing on a wrong-side-of-30 aging superstar that has lingering injury issues. I wish he had left Chicago at 30, that would have been fun.

He's not a needle moving player and in fact I would argue that he needs more ice time than he can handle physically to get as many points as he needs at this point. To use a current buzzword, he's a PP merchant that needs a very right situation. Again, a point I've made time and time again, use these kids and bring them up. If you wanna target someone from the bargain bin at the deadline that fits our needs better, cool. Otherwise, bring up anyone of these plethora of young hungry kids we have to fill in for injuries until then.

The Kane saga has just been so tiresome. He's cooked (relative to what he was). There's not room for him here.
I couldn't have said it better.
 
The answer to Fox's deficiencies isn't to put Miller with Fox, it's to trade for and sign Hanifan. Then you have Miller and Hanifan split up on two pairing and the speed and overall talent on the back-end goes up considerably.
Where would the money come from?
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3C, 1LD, and wherever Goodrow is playing.

If Chytil returns and is effective/healthy, that solves one.

FO probably doesn't have the balls to rectify the others 2 but both are problems.
Disagree on Lindgren. He’s had a rough patch here and there but he’s a good compliment to Fox overall and a gamer.

Goodrow is fine for the fourth line - that line plays shutdown hockey well as is and Vesey will put some goals in.

Assuming Chytil and Kakko are back, we’ll need typical playoff depth, moreso defense than forward with brodzinski around
 
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