Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[NickyFotiu]

bold: Ekblad and others have returned I believe from [what we think is] worse, but I could be wrong.
Every situation is dif
fact he can fly is a plus
desperate to see Cuy-Chy-KK
but mo important is to give max recovery to these guys

underline: we likely get a late 1st or equiv if we deal him NOW not later
also,
would help if we exploited Oil
more on that later when I have time...

Very unlikely teams are looking to trade anything significant for a player dealing with a head injury right now.

 

[17futurecap]

Chytil going to the Michigan doctor isn’t new news just fyi, Brooks and Staple reported that weeks ago.

 

[IDvsEGO]

When exactly was this? Certainly not this year. Last year he looked serviceable on the Kid Line, but at no time has he ever shown the ability to play that way when he was on the 1st line.

How about 20-93-24 had a 58% XGF. Thats a top line
20-93-17 has a 47% XGF in slightly more time (139 minutes to 120 minutes)
The only difference in the lines is Kakko for Wheeler.

 

[Boris Zubov]

How about 20-93-24 had a 58% XGF. Thats a top line
20-93-17 has a 47% XGF in slightly more time (139 minutes to 120 minutes)
The only difference in the lines is Kakko for Wheeler.

Advanced stats mean nothing to me. This kid hasn't produced points, period. I don't need to hear how unlucky he's been or how many 3rd assists he has, either.

He's been a passenger when playing with them, deferring every chance he gets or taking the puck to the boards. Nor was he assertive or driving play. There was a reason Lavi took him off that line....it wasn't all his fault, because his 2 linemates are still asleep 5v5, but you saying he looks like a 1st line RW, sorry it's doesn't pass the eye test.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Advanced stats mean nothing to me. This kid hasn't produced points, period. I don't need to hear how unlucky he's been or how many 3rd assists he has, either.

He's been a passenger when playing with them, deferring every chance he gets or taking the puck to the boards. Nor was he assertive or driving play. There was a reason Lavi took him off that line....it wasn't all his fault, because his 2 linemates are still asleep 5v5, but you saying he looks like a 1st line RW, sorry it's doesn't pass the eye test.

The line as a whole shot what 2%? Yeah he passed alot to mika and ck, but they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He set up beautiful chances, he forced turnovers, he moved the puck out of our zone.
The line was dominating, and he was a key part of that.

 

[I Eat Crow]

This is the 2nd or 3rd time since the concussion that the Rangers have sent Chytil to that specialist in Michigan. Good news is he is able to fly/travel. Honestly with the little we know it's not sounding good.

On the Lindgren trade value this summer, thinking a 1st or a 2nd and a decent B level prospect.

I'd add to Lindgren and deal him to a team looking for a veteran stabilizing top 4 defenseman for a young team if the Rangers got a blue chip defensive prospect back. Think Simashev in Phoenix or David Jiricek in Columbus.

He'd unironically be a great fit for the Devils.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'd add to Lindgren and deal him to a team looking for a veteran stabilizing top 4 defenseman for a young team if the Rangers got a blue chip defensive prospect back. Think Simashev in Phoenix or David Jiricek in Columbus.

He'd unironically be a great fit for the Devils.

So we somehow get slightly better this year at defense but significantly weaker at forward. That definitely seems like a great long term plan, especially with 0 center prospects and almost no cap space.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The line as a whole shot what 2%? Yeah he passed alot to mika and ck, but they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He set up beautiful chances, he forced turnovers, he moved the puck out of our zone.
The line was dominating, and he was a key part of that.

We have vastly different interpretations of "dominating".

 

[huerter]

Advanced stats mean nothing to me. This kid hasn't produced points, period. I don't need to hear how unlucky he's been or how many 3rd assists he has, either.

He's been a passenger when playing with them, deferring every chance he gets or taking the puck to the boards. Nor was he assertive or driving play. There was a reason Lavi took him off that line....it wasn't all his fault, because his 2 linemates are still asleep 5v5, but you saying he looks like a 1st line RW, sorry it's doesn't pass the eye test.

Points schmoints

Stop line numbering

Otherwise, happy holidays

I'd add to Lindgren and deal him to a team looking for a veteran stabilizing top 4 defenseman for a young team if the Rangers got a blue chip defensive prospect back. Think Simashev in Phoenix or David Jiricek in Columbus.

He'd unironically be a great fit for the Devils.

I said Lindgren for Luke Hughes a week ago. Break up the bromances.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I said Lindgren for Luke Hughes a week ago. Break up the bromances.

Good to see you're living in reality, as usual.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Arizona would be a great spot for Lindgren.

They wouldn’t give up anything that Id want for him. Marcelli would be amazing as hes under the radar awesome but the Yotes know that.

 

[ncdoc]

I think our trade deadline is set up. Do not lose o resources (picks). Kaako and Chytil come back. Play with what we have. If a dirt-cheap 7th D come available fine. Don't trade assets. If you want to move someone, do it in the off season.

 

[Kendo]

How about 20-93-24 had a 58% XGF. Thats a top line
20-93-17 has a 47% XGF in slightly more time (139 minutes to 120 minutes)
The only difference in the lines is Kakko for Wheeler.

Advanced stats mean nothing to me. This kid hasn't produced points, period. I don't need to hear how unlucky he's been or how many 3rd assists he has, either.

He's been a passenger when playing with them, deferring every chance he gets or taking the puck to the boards. Nor was he assertive or driving play. There was a reason Lavi took him off that line....it wasn't all his fault, because his 2 linemates are still asleep 5v5, but you saying he looks like a 1st line RW, sorry it's doesn't pass the eye test.

Anyone who's arguing that raw stats don't matter is as crazy as anyone saying advanced stats are the only thing that matters and as crazy as saying that advance stats don't matter. Actual points are important. Sure. KK was playing at a high level, and that can't be hand-waved when other people are obviously struggling. He was more solution than problem, imo.

There weren't many 3rd assists because no one was scoring. Kakko regularly shows good metrics, but he never "gets people going." And yet he's seemingly always put with a forward pair that's "struggling." In the past, when things were starting to click for the top 6 and none of the "kids" were needed to spark anyone, the Kid Line was a good third line. Each player played their game and for once wasn't tasked with making another line "work."

Laf brings some stability to RW since he has transitioned successfully, but we still need a player in addition to Kakko, not instead of. Wheeler's gotten some points with worst metrics (which admittedly has value), so he affords us being able to wait out the injury. We still need a guy. Brodz has been a real Bro, so he affords us waiting until Kakko's back or the trade deadline. Brodz can be waived, Wheeler can be rotated in and out. We still need a guy.

If that guy can play C as well, then all the better. Mitigates the question of Chytil's health.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I think our trade deadline is set up. Do not lose o resources (picks). Kaako and Chytil come back. Play with what we have. If a dirt-cheap 7th D come available fine. Don't trade assets. If you want to move someone, do it in the off season.

we need to identify our Barbashev.

 

[Peltz]

I think our trade deadline is set up. Do not lose o resources (picks). Kaako and Chytil come back. Play with what we have. If a dirt-cheap 7th D come available fine. Don't trade assets. If you want to move someone, do it in the off season.

I don't think Drury thinks this team is a cup contender as it's currently constructed. Like it or not, he's going to make moves for either a RW, a defensemen, or both.

 

[I Eat Crow]

So we somehow get slightly better this year at defense but significantly weaker at forward. That definitely seems like a great long term plan, especially with 0 center prospects and almost no cap space.

Huh? Where are the Rangers losing a forward? I'd attach a pick or prospect to Lindgren if it meant the return was better and brought back a cost controlled replacement, or better yet, upgrade.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Huh? Where are the Rangers losing a forward? I'd attach a pick or prospect to Lindgren if it meant the return was better and brought back a cost controlled replacement, or better yet, upgrade.

I thought the move was chytil + Lindgren.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think our trade deadline is set up. Do not lose o resources (picks). Kaako and Chytil come back. Play with what we have. If a dirt-cheap 7th D come available fine. Don't trade assets. If you want to move someone, do it in the off season.

It’s too early to really say anything one way or another but if they’re in the same spot standings wise in march they have to do something.

Running with what they have right now won’t be good enough. I can guarantee you that. Our FO knows this too.

They’ll be limited in what they can do unless they want to get crazy or have the balls to move people who should be moved.

 

[haveandare]

Bonino at 3C is the only clear place that needs an upgrade imo. If Chytil gets back he fixes that. Laf is our 1RW and Kakko and Wheeler are 2/3 depending on who’s playing better. Saying that’s not good enough is crazy imo

 

[Boris Zubov]

Anyone who's arguing that raw stats don't matter is as crazy as anyone saying advanced stats are the only thing that matters and as crazy as saying that advance stats don't matter. Actual points are important. Sure. KK was playing at a high level, and that can't be hand-waved when other people are obviously struggling. He was more solution than problem, imo.

There weren't many 3rd assists because no one was scoring. Kakko regularly shows good metrics, but he never "gets people going." And yet he's seemingly always put with a forward pair that's "struggling." In the past, when things were starting to click for the top 6 and none of the "kids" were needed to spark anyone, the Kid Line was a good third line. Each player played their game and for once wasn't tasked with making another line "work."

Laf brings some stability to RW since he has transitioned successfully, but we still need a player in addition to Kakko, not instead of. Wheeler's gotten some points with worst metrics (which admittedly has value), so he affords us being able to wait out the injury. We still need a guy. Brodz has been a real Bro, so he affords us waiting until Kakko's back or the trade deadline. Brodz can be waived, Wheeler can be rotated in and out. We still need a guy.

If that guy can play C as well, then all the better. Mitigates the question of Chytil's health.

Again I'll ask, when exactly was Kakko playing at a high level this season? Because I've watched about 80% of the games & most of the early ones when he was on the first line & I don't recall this. Unless we're talking about a different Kakko?

Let's ignore both the advanced stats & actual stats....the eye test for his season isn't pretty. The kid looks like he's regressed to his second year around here. He struggles to stay on his skates & gets knocked of the puck immediately.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bonino at 3C is the only clear place that needs an upgrade imo. If Chytil gets back he fixes that. Laf is our 1RW and Kakko and Wheeler are 2/3 depending on who’s playing better. Saying that’s not good enough is crazy imo

3C, 1LD, and wherever Goodrow is playing.

If Chytil returns and is effective/healthy, that solves one.

FO probably doesn't have the balls to rectify the others 2 but both are problems.

 

[huerter]

I don't think Drury thinks this team is a cup contender as it's currently constructed. Like it or not, he's going to make moves for either a RW, a defensemen, or both.

It doesn’t matter what Drury is thinking, it matters what Sather is thinking and it doesn’t matter what Sather is thinking, it matters what Dolan is thinking.

But how do you have an idea of what Drury is thinking?

 

[Kendo]

Again I'll ask, when exactly was Kakko playing at a high level this season? Because I've watched about 80% of the games & most of the early ones when he was on the first line & I don't recall this. Unless we're talking about a different Kakko?

Let's ignore both the advanced stats & actual stats....the eye test for his season isn't pretty. The kid looks like he's regressed to his second year around here. He struggles to stay on his skates & gets knocked of the puck immediately.

He was rocking a near 60% xGF, which is really good. He had 3 points which is really bad. If you ignore both raw stats and advanced stats, then he's a handsome boy? I dunno. LOL

It must be a different Kakko, because I thought he was strong on his skates and held onto pucks well. Chris and Mika were struggling to find the net 5v5. That was my eye test for 15 games. He certainly lost confidence and was deferring, but that lead to 3 F playing a "5v5 PK." The advanced stats back up what I and others saw in the eye test.

So we disagree on the eye test whole hog. I at least acknowledge the (lack of) raw stats, but you disregard the advanced stats full stop.

 

[huerter]

Let's live in this alternate reality where Lindgren shouldn't be 100% untouchable. People keep alluding to this idea that the Rangers are, to their own detriment, unwilling to move guys if it would be disloyal or disturb the camaraderie. Can someone give examples of recent in-season trades where teams were in cup mode and did give up a significant piece off their roster? And no, 1994 isn't recent. I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Alluckks]

Does Henrique make sense as a 3C?

Sean Monahan could also work I think