Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[GoAwayPanarin]

Having a productive/impactful Wheeler from here on forward would be nice. Would give the Rangers less incentive to look for a forward in March (the focus should be 1LD anyway.)

Zib quietly with 18 points in his last 14 games. All these calls for "sparking Zibanejad" are dumb, he's been sparked.

Panarin's game is trending in the wrong direction though. Thought he was great against Boston but aside from that he's been pretty mediocre to just downright bad lately. Why we can't get both of them going at the same time I'll never know.

 

[RangerBoy]

Just looked at the Athletics's new trade board and all I can say is it might be a good year to have no cap space. The only difference maker is Guentzel, but theres a 0.00% PIT would ever trade him here in-season. Perfect fit though. He'd be an elite version of Vatrano for the Mika/Kreider line.

I saw the list this morning. There isn't one player on the list who can help the Rangers. Realistically the Rangers can acquire. Perhaps Seeler. The Flyers are making the playoffs. Torts has them playing well. The division and conference are full of mediocre teams.

Things change if Chytil can't return and then the Rangers need a center.

 

[McRanger92]

I saw the list this morning. There isn't one player on the list who can help the Rangers. Realistically the Rangers can acquire. Perhaps Seeler. The Flyers are making the playoffs. Torts has them playing well. The division and conference are full of mediocre teams.

Things change if Chytil can't return and then the Rangers need a center.

I liked Seeler last year too but Mikkola filled the need. They should be after Hanifin as a Lindgren replacement in the summer but youre not trading assets for a guy like that unless we have a season ending injury on the backend before the deadline. And youre right about Chytil. If hes out until the playoffs I think the Rangers go for and acquire Lindholm as a rental. Makes too much sense.

Othmann has more upside to the Rangers than that entire list imo.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd be more than willing to move on from Lindgren, especially if he demands a lot

A team will overpay for him imo in a trade

I wouldn't be opposed to a Kakko for Chychrun type trade in the offseason, assuming we could sign him at a reasonable rate.

KAM Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Gus Schneider

 

[IDvsEGO]

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I'd be more than willing to move on from Lindgren, especially if he demands a lot

A team will overpay for him imo in a trade

I wouldn't be opposed to a Kakko for Chychrun type trade in the offseason, assuming we could sign him at a reasonable rate.

KAM Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Gus Schneider

And what exactly are we replacing Kakko with, and the chychrun contract?
Kakko has years of team control, chychrun Is a pending ufa next year, so we get a single year.
And people wonder why we moved weight and amonte…

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

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"No one can play his role!"


Neither can he.

 

[Savant]

Lindgren should be moved, but that’s going to have to wait until the offseason. Dealing him in season, with the team succeeding, would lead to a mutiny

 

[duhmetreE]

And what exactly are we replacing Kakko with, and the chychrun contract?
Kakko has years of team control, chychrun Is a pending ufa next year, so we get a single year.
And people wonder why we moved weight and amonte…

Hopefully Othmann.

What's more valuable a middle6RW/3RW or a 1LD? Like I said... It would be assuming we could sign him at a reasonable rate. I do not want to make trades for rentals.

A Kakko is a lot easier to find than a Chychrun.

 

[RGY]

Lindgren should be moved, but that’s going to have to wait until the offseason. Dealing him in season, with the team succeeding, would lead to a mutiny

This.

We just need to add some more depth on the Left side to have flexibility going into the playoffs.

Deal him in the offseason to free up cap space and to allow ample time for a mourning period for Fox and others

 

[Fitzy]

I don't see NYR as needing cap space this offseason all that badly. What I see instead is a conversation about

1) How Lindgren fits in PL's system
2) How he will age
3) What kind of return NYR can get.

Those are all worthwhile considerations, but space? I doubt NYR go big game hunting on the UFA market this offseason. I think they'll extend Gustafsson, maybe Lindgren, and maybe buyout Goodrow.

 

[bernmeister]

I saw the list this morning. There isn't one player on the list who can help the Rangers. Realistically the Rangers can acquire. Perhaps Seeler. The Flyers are making the playoffs. Torts has them playing well. The division and conference are full of mediocre teams.

Things change if Chytil can't return and then the Rangers need a center.

Would rather rely on internal solution that does not squander assets.
Bump up Goodrow/Pitlick
Edstrom = 4th line C

I liked Seeler last year too but Mikkola filled the need. They should be after Hanifin as a Lindgren replacement in the summer but youre not trading assets for a guy like that unless we have a season ending injury on the backend before the deadline. And youre right about Chytil. If hes out until the playoffs I think the Rangers go for and acquire Lindholm as a rental. Makes too much sense.

Othmann has more upside to the Rangers than that entire list imo.

Disagree.
Rentals who then exit have proven to be win now = fail.

Lindgren should be moved, but that’s going to have to wait until the offseason. Dealing him in season, with the team succeeding, would lead to a mutiny

Eff the players the team and the fans come first, within reason.
I like the guy too b'c his heart
But club MUST manage intelligently acknowledging unyielding cap
this means getting AHEAD OF, not BEHIND the curve

Players obstinance, if any is unwelcome demonstration of lack of gratitude for a good club w/generally good track record of player relations

 

[Fitzy]

NYR have no shot at the cup with Bonino/Goodrow as the 3rd line center.

 

[hardnosed]

NYR have no shot at the cup with Bonino/Goodrow as the 3rd line center.

Yea, but if we get Fil back, they won't be the 3rd line center. And if for some reason, Fil can't come back, Drury will make filling that spot a priority at the deadline

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This.

We just need to add some more depth on the Left side to have flexibility going into the playoffs.

Deal him in the offseason to free up cap space and to allow ample time for a mourning period for Fox and others

I think it's becoming clear that we need an actual 1LD way more than we just need the depth at the spot.

If there is an avenue to have Lindgren slot down on the 3rd pair and make this happen I'd be happy to hear it, but he cannot play where he is playing right now if this team has any intention on going anywhere this Spring. You can't have a top pair guy absolutely murder offense the way that he does, especially when his defense isn't good enough to make up for it.

I don't love the forward mix either but the biggest problems amongst the forwards are lower in the lineup. Ideally I'd like to solve both but they need to sort out the position that requires the player to eat more minutes before moving their way down the line and we do have players out with injuries/in house options in Hartford who can potentially become solutions.

NYR have no shot at the cup with Bonino/Goodrow as the 3rd line center.

This is 100% true.

I'd say the same is true if they have Lindgren as their 1LD.

 

[RGY]

I think it's becoming clear that we need an actual 1LD way more than we just need the depth at the spot.

If there is an avenue to have Lindgren slot down on the 3rd pair and make this happen I'd be happy to hear it, but he cannot play where he is playing right now if this team has any intention on going anywhere this Spring. You can't have a top pair guy absolutely murder offense the way that he does, especially when his defense isn't good enough to make up for it.

I don't love the forward mix either but the biggest problems amongst the forwards are lower in the lineup. Ideally I'd like to solve both but they need to sort out the position that requires the player to eat more minutes before moving their way down the line and we do have players out with injuries/in house options in Hartford who can potentially become solutions.



This is 100% true.

I'd say the same is true if they have Lindgren as their 1LD.

Who is the answer? Who could they fit?

 

[SA16]

NYR have no shot at the cup with Bonino/Goodrow as the 3rd line center.

And yet they are 14-5-1 with those guys as the 3rd line center.

 

[Machinehead]

And yet they are 14-5-1 with those guys as the 3rd line center.

Against varied levels of competition, in one-off games, where people don't care half as much.

In a 7-game matchup, with seasons on the line, opposing coaches will key on that spot like a tumor. Hughes, Matthews, or Aho will be coming over the boards every time Bonino does.

 

[Avery16]

Y'all don't deserve nice things like 1st place in the east.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Trade freeze is on for seven days.
It has come apparently clear to most posters here that 52 games Lindgren will not survive.
I would like to believe that it is a safe bet that a defensively responsible LD is the number 1 priority on Drury’s list.
Zac Jones is not a defensive defenseman.
There doesn’t seem the answer for that position is in Hartford.
For forward help Drury has choices. The return of Kaapo Kakko and Filip Chytil hopefully and if not the Wolf Pack has veterans over 25 in Belzile and Blidh.
Under 25 he has definitely responsible forwards who won’t hurt the Ranger’s lineup.
Edstrom, Rempe and Henriksson (though Karl’s lack of size might work against him).
I would love to hear what everyone thoughts on which LD who would fit under our current cap and what player(s) would have to be waived or traded so that a LD could be brought in?

 

[bl02]

I don't know if Laviolette is gonna sit Bonino when guys like Kakko and Chytil are ready to come back. I think him being a center with pk ability and faceoff ability Laviolette keeps him in. Not saying that is the right thing just saying. Would rather have Brodz and Pitlick in the lineup but those two guys most likely wind up sitting. I guess it's good to have some depth at the forward position?!
Wheeler is playing his best hockey of the year (yep I know small sample size) so don't see him coming out unless his play drops again.

 

[Savant]

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This.

We just need to add some more depth on the Left side to have flexibility going into the playoffs.

Deal him in the offseason to free up cap space and to allow ample time for a mourning period for Fox and others

Its an economic move as much as it is a hockey move. Fact is because the cap is FUBAR they can't give out extensions like candy at Halloween. We all love Lindgren. He takes way too much damage to risk giving a long term deal to. They have to be extremely careful who they extend

 

[IDvsEGO]

Hopefully Othmann.

What's more valuable a middle6RW/3RW or a 1LD? Like I said... It would be assuming we could sign him at a reasonable rate. I do not want to make trades for rentals.

A Kakko is a lot easier to find than a Chychrun.

Kakko was looking like a 1rw, who puts up excellent 5v5 possession numbers and strong overall defense. 50 points was the expectation. Finding that player (which then allows everyone else to slot down) at 2m is alot harder to find than a 1ld.

I don't know if Laviolette is gonna sit Bonino when guys like Kakko and Chytil are ready to come back. I think him being a center with pk ability and faceoff ability Laviolette keeps him in. Not saying that is the right thing just saying. Would rather have Brodz and Pitlick in the lineup but those two guys most likely wind up sitting. I guess it's good to have some depth at the forward position?!
Wheeler is playing his best hockey of the year (yep I know small sample size) so don't see him coming out unless his play drops again.

Bonino slides down to 4c w pitlick and vesey.
Brodz and wheeler likely rotate for 3rw

 

[bl02]

Bonino slides down to 4c w pitlick and vesey.
Brodz and wheeler likely rotate for 3rw

So Goodrow out? and Brodz and Wheeler rotate in?
I know 95 percent of Ranger fans hate Goodrow but don't see Laviolette or most NHL coaches sitting him. Maybe a game here or there but not full time unless he's hurt.

 

[IDvsEGO]

So Goodrow out? and Brodz and Wheeler rotate in?
I know 95 percent of Ranger fans hate Goodrow but don't see Laviolette or most NHL coaches sitting him. Maybe a game here or there but not full time unless he's hurt.

Goodrow rotate through. He’s a good soldier but bonino is a better version of him.
Plus we’re gonna get more injuries and this will keep us from wearing everyone down.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Goodrow sucks and gets too much credit for occasionally (rarely) putting out fires that he is responsible for starting himself.

Unfortunately he won't be coming out of the lineup unless he is hurt. Hes another spot on the team that is an obvious upgrade spot.