Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[The Crypto Guy]

Edstrom COULD be the next Boo Nieves
(in a different way, of course)
but let's not jump the gun

want to see Rempe as well to add, not replace, Ed

Please no.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Tarasenko at 50% retained.

Then Gourde at 50% retained.

Those 2. Not sure who we have to send out but those are the 2 for me

Adding both those would actually take too much from our current roster.
Gourde would be 2y of retention. That’s always extremely expensive.
Tarasenko would be a conditional first at worst.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Let’s go get that cup, now’s the year -

CK MZ Wheeler
Pan Tro Laf
Cuylle LINDHOLM Chytil
Vesey Bonino Goodie

HANIFAN Fox
Key Trouba
Gus Schneider

 

[Boris Zubov]

If this team can go out and find a player to play with zib and kreider we have something

How bout those two just wake up at even strength.

 

[Avery16]

Lindgren destroyed TWICE tonight. Make the move.

We played the best team in the league and the player that gets under their best players’ skin, is Lindgren. Not only did he survive the cheap shots, but he drew the penalties on a close game. Absolute garbage take.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Let’s go get that cup, now’s the year -

CK MZ Wheeler
Pan Tro Laf
Cuylle LINDHOLM Chytil
Vesey Bonino Goodie

HANIFAN Fox
Key Trouba
Gus Schneider

Are you moving Kakko in this deal? Because once he comes back the cap is blown to hell.

Also what ever else you're putting in that deal, theyd have to retain on both for this to fit.
And dear god what are you giving up to get both.... Because thats probably 1st + kakko + Perreault or Othmann.

 

[Avery16]

Are you moving Kakko in this deal? Because once he comes back the cap is blown to hell.

Also what ever else you're putting in that deal, theyd have to retain on both for this to fit.
And dear god what are you giving up to get both.... Because thats probably 1st + kakko + Perreault or Othmann.

That plane doesn’t get off the runway.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

That plane doesn’t get off the runway.

Respect your view and it was mine up until a couple of weeks ago. The plane that had Gartner, Amonte, Turcotte, Weight, Patrick, and Marchant seemed to get off the runway just fine. What’s that 4 HOF or borderline HOFers.

We have to take calculated risks and I think this year may be the year to do so. Just my opinion. I think a trade construct around Kakko, Lindgren, a 1st, and a prospect or two not named Othmann or Perrault can get Lindholm and Hanifin with retention. I like this team chemistry a lot and don’t want to necessarily break them up but I think a cup opportunity is calling.

 

[Kendo]

We can't afford Lindgren. How are we going to afford a guy that's a lot better. We will end up with a guy like Mikalos. And don't underestimate how much penalty killing means to this staff. They hope to win on special teams and goaltending.

Of course we can afford Lindgren's next deal. He's creating less offense than usual (which is fine as long as Fox is flirting with 1 P/GP) which will bring that number down a little bit. It was looking like upwards of $5m, but now closer to $4m. And despite only having 2 points on the season, he's still an even +/-. Obviously +/- is useless in a vacuum, but in the context of the rest of the team he's smack dab in the middle. A guy that's -10 on a team that has a few -20 guys is actually pretty decent, for example.

We aren't getting anybody for him in a trade that is just going to slide in and take that role. Why would the other team give us a better Lindgren for Lindgren. That's not how trades work, lol. As for Miller with Fox, I've made my point known here. It's a stupid idea. Every coach we have had had gone with a defense first guy with Fox even during the times Lindgren was hurt. Neither Miller or Gus are defense first guys. Jeez, Gus has been horrible lately in a top 4 role.

I'm entertaining the idea of Hanifin, but I'm not all in quite yet. The reason CGY would give us a better Lindgren for Lindgren is the same reason I'm currently on the fence: The $3m difference on their next deals. There's no reason to LOL at the idea.

Its not.

Trust me, they can make it happen if they want to. Problem is this organization has a LONG history of falling in love with players who aren't very good/used to be good but are currently bad. Fear the same is happening with Lindgren who is a clear detriment to the team no matter how much people don't want to admit it.

I can understand the apprehension of disturbing the room, but its not a big enough of a draw back considering how bad Lindgren has been this year. He's always been miscast in that role and its rearing its ugly head because hes been sub replacement level this year. A ton of guys would be an upgrade, doesn't have to be someone due a big contract. Theres no need to McDonagh Fox with his Girardi.

Sub-replacement offense so far this season, but a quite useful "straw that stirs the drink" player. I keep coming back to this...this will be Girardi's $3.5x3 deal for Lindgren, not the $5.5x5 for a 30-year old Girardi deal.

The cap hit has been discussed in detail by numerous people including myself for both this year and next. He fits with plenty of roomto spare if lindgren is traded for him. The other unquestionable factor is while he plays on the first pair for a lower AAV he is a blackhole on offense and costs the Rangers significant production. Frankly he isn't very good at anything.

I'm considering the swap (open to but not sold on), but there would be little to no "room to spare." That would be all of our spare room unless we create an additional hole elsewhere.

It's obvious that 20 & 93 are costing the team 5v5 production, moreso than pinning it specifically 55. Two 40 point wingers haven't worked with the bffs at ES, so it's not surprising that the "sniffs 20 points" D has a further drop in offense as well. Brodz provided a little bit of a spark, but that line leaked a couple more GA than usual accordingly.

Lindgren is very good at PK, and being a "facilitator" or "enabler" when a line is clicking. I don't want to keep him past 30, but right now he is a fitting piece on a top team.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I like Lindgren and love the way he plays but he is what he is, meaning - Calgary has like 1 NHL level D under contract for next year so maybe they want some RFA budget and term certainty for a guy who can play top 4 minutes. That alone may not make him rental Hanifin value but a plus like say Berard puts us in the neighborhood.

 

[cheech70]

Red wings are 1-4-1 since Kane joined the team. Kane is -7 with 1g and 1a in 6 games and 0 5v5 points. Did Drury dodge a bullet?

 

[Avery16]

Red wings are 1-4-1 since Kane joined the team. Kane is -7 with 1g and 1a in 6 games and 0 5v5 points. Did Drury dodge a bullet?

We didn't have the cap room for Drury to make that mistake a second time.

 

[bernmeister]

Lindgren’s time should be up after this season. Sell high on his grit. I love his efforts and I do love that grit but its not enough.

no, sell NOW

Please no.

^ says the man who advocates for crypto, which is a bane to economies everywhere.

As to the Boo comment to which you reply, you fear what you do not understand, which is on you.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

no, sell NOW


^ says the man who advocates for crypto, which is a bane to economies everywhere.

As to the Boo comment to which you reply, you fear what you do not understand, which is on you.

You must be talking about your understanding of Crypto. It's ok to be ignorant, I just wouldn't go around flaunting that

 

[SA16]

Red wings are 1-4-1 since Kane joined the team. Kane is -7 with 1g and 1a in 6 games and 0 5v5 points. Did Drury dodge a bullet?

Curious to leave out the context that Larkin got injured immediately and has missed 4 of those games (plus 2 periods of another), Perron got suspended and has missed the same time as Larkin, and their second line center Compher missed all but the last game. That's their top two centers and a top six/top nine wing.

If the Rangers signed Kane and then immediately Zibanejad, Trocheck, and some wing (Laf/Wheeler) were out of the lineup should we be saying it's Kanes fault the team went on a losing stream?

The -7 is misleading anyway. One of the minuses is an ENG against and two of the others are SHGs.

 

[huerter]

Red wings are 1-4-1 since Kane joined the team. Kane is -7 with 1g and 1a in 6 games and 0 5v5 points. Did Drury dodge a bullet?

More like dodging a dodgeball thrown by a grandma from 100 yards away.

 

[MrAlmost]

We played the best team in the league and the player that gets under their best players’ skin, is Lindgren. Not only did he survive the cheap shots, but he drew the penalties on a close game. Absolute garbage take.

I don't think it's a garbage take. Perhaps a bit hyperbolic. But I can't help but remember the last time I saw a player take this sort of repeated punishment. Prucha. He kept getting up too and rarely missed time. His first year was good. The hits started coming in the second year and by the 3rd year they were constant. After that he just couldn't put it together again.

Different player, of course. And smaller. But I worry about Lindgrens health at this point. I mean, it ain't really my place to worry about him, since he is an adult, a pro and I don't know him, but all the same it is getting tough to watch.

Even on the hits Lindgren throws, which used to have him on the upper hand, now have him getting run over. Specifically that sort of half hip, half reverse hit he usually catches guys with on the wall. Maybe he is just hurt and needs some time, but if that's the case he should be out of the lineup until then.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't think it's a garbage take. Perhaps a bit hyperbolic. But I can't help but remember the last time I saw a player take this sort of repeated punishment. Prucha. He kept getting up too and rarely missed time. His first year was good. The hits started coming in the second year and by the 3rd year they were constant. After that he just couldn't put it together again.

Different player, of course. And smaller. But I worry about Lindgrens health at this point. I mean, it ain't really my place to worry about him, since he is an adult, a pro and I don't know him, but all the same it is getting tough to watch.

Even on the hits Lindgren throws, which used to have him on the upper hand, now have him getting run over. Specifically that sort of half hip, half reverse hit he usually catches guys with on the wall. Maybe he is just hurt and needs some time, but if that's the case he should be out of the lineup until then.

Lindgren no doubt has a reputation around the league as a guy you can crush with a hit. He’s playing clueless this year. The hit McCabe put in him was because he was admiring a drop pass just inside Toronto’s blue line. Know the situation.

 

[Kendo]

Respect your view and it was mine up until a couple of weeks ago. The plane that had Gartner, Amonte, Turcotte, Weight, Patrick, and Marchant seemed to get off the runway just fine. What’s that 4 HOF or borderline HOFers.

We have to take calculated risks and I think this year may be the year to do so. Just my opinion. I think a trade construct around Kakko, Lindgren, a 1st, and a prospect or two not named Othmann or Perrault can get Lindholm and Hanifin with retention. I like this team chemistry a lot and don’t want to necessarily break them up but I think a cup opportunity is calling.

I'm not sure we can fit for next season:
20-93-78
10-16-13
50-Lindholm-72
X-21-26
Hanafin-23
79-8
X-4
31
X

If the numbers can work, then we're "busting our nut" as it were, by moving Kakko and a 1st. If we had a Perreault or Othmann level C prospect, then we could use Chytil in the trade instead, and save some space, but alas.

It would be a bold move, I'll give it that. It would certainly set us up for 2 or 3 runs past this one, at the cost of room to maneuver. I'm not fully against it, but that would be the one deal we make for quite a while.

20-93-24
10-16-13
78-72-Pinto
50-21-26
55-23
79-8
6/Rob - 4
31
X

One smaller move, without costing a ton, and still a lot of flexibility going forward. It's admittedly not as much of a wagon as the other proposed lineup. I would argue that the maneuverability would afford us a higher ceiling past this season.

Right now, we're a top team with reinforcements on the way without any trades. This is a season to really go for it since there's not a presumptive "team to beat" unless it's the Rangers. If we stand pat and lose in the ECF, it could be viewed as a missed opportunity. If we trade another 1st and still fall short, it's more wasted assets and still not even a B prospect at Center (BMB needs to take a step forward to count, which while I'm confident in, he's merely "almost" there).

I would lobby for a half-measure instead of either standing pat or going all in. I respect both other trains of thought though, as long as they're grounded in reality cap-wise and have some sort of plan for next year as well.

 

[McRanger92]

Who had Devils, Lightning and Penguins outside a playoff spot. Canes barely hanging on. How long until the Stammer to NYR rumors start?

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm not sure we can fit for next season:
20-93-78
10-16-13
50-Lindholm-72
X-21-26
Hanafin-23
79-8
X-4
31
X

If the numbers can work, then we're "busting our nut" as it were, by moving Kakko and a 1st. If we had a Perreault or Othmann level C prospect, then we could use Chytil in the trade instead, and save some space, but alas.

It would be a bold move, I'll give it that. It would certainly set us up for 2 or 3 runs past this one, at the cost of room to maneuver. I'm not fully against it, but that would be the one deal we make for quite a while.

20-93-24
10-16-13
78-72-Pinto
50-21-26
55-23
79-8
6/Rob - 4
31
X

One smaller move, without costing a ton, and still a lot of flexibility going forward. It's admittedly not as much of a wagon as the other proposed lineup. I would argue that the maneuverability would afford us a higher ceiling past this season.

Right now, we're a top team with reinforcements on the way without any trades. This is a season to really go for it since there's not a presumptive "team to beat" unless it's the Rangers. If we stand pat and lose in the ECF, it could be viewed as a missed opportunity. If we trade another 1st and still fall short, it's more wasted assets and still not even a B prospect at Center (BMB needs to take a step forward to count, which while I'm confident in, he's merely "almost" there).

I would lobby for a half-measure instead of either standing pat or going all in. I respect both other trains of thought though, as long as they're grounded in reality cap-wise and have some sort of plan for next year as well.

I truly think Hanifan is the right move this deadline. He upgrades the team now and for the long term. Outside of that, offensively, I’m not sure I see the appeal of Lindholm especially for the cost. If the team wants to look at someone in the offseason in terms of an upgrade I’d be open to it but so much depends on how Othmann and Berard continue to develop in Hartford. But there is no one coming on defense. That’s going to need to be upgraded externally.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Of course we can afford Lindgren's next deal. He's creating less offense than usual (which is fine as long as Fox is flirting with 1 P/GP)

I do not think Lindy has much to do with Fox's points per game this season since very few are at even strength.

 

[Ail]

Rangers have played themselves into an incredible position of being comfortably top in their division without some of their best players being their best nightly. Drury can let Chytil/Kakko get healthy and Mika/Kreider work their 5v5 woes. Still plenty of time to the deadline to see where the cards fall. The selling on Lindgren stuff is pure fantasy and will happily eat crow if Drury moves him at all let alone at the deadline. The only reason to make a move now would be for RW help that someone else might make a move on first if you wait until the deadline. Also with the logjam of teams who still think they are in it, the options are limited compared to what might be available in February/March.

 

[Kendo]

no, sell NOW


^ says the man who advocates for crypto, which is a bane to economies everywhere.

As to the Boo comment to which you reply, you fear what you do not understand, which is on you.

IMO, the time is 2029. I don't think he'll be absolutely cooked at 29/30, but it will certainly be on the horizon at that point. Avoid the Girardi mistake at an apples to apples age. Age 26-29 Girardi was a very useful player for not huge pay.

Crypto is sorta dumb (just an opinion), but if you're properly diversified financially then there's some merit to that kind of gambling.

You've gotta drop the Boo thing. You point to it as proof that you were right and mgmt was wrong, and when anyone accurately describes his resulting career you double down that "the concept is just too big-brained for mere mortals to understand." Like you're Dr. Manhattan sitting on Mars or something. LOL

You're at least entertaining, and you don't get nasty when people clap back, so that's a plus. Plenty of people were super high on Grachev, but even they will say "yeah, that take didn't age well." Humility.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers need defense more than a forward. If they are going to trade assets for anything, let it be Hanifan. Look to sign him and move on from Lindgren in the summer. Rangers love their BC guys