Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[80shockeywasbuns]

If you want to argue the length of Trocheck's deal is too long, that's one thing, but to say Rodrigues could fill his spot & the team wouldn't miss a beat is a giant reach. ER is a solid 3C, but that's his ceiling, 3C.

Video game logic where guys aren't injury prone and you're suddenly left with second line center evan rodrigues when chytil becomes a jellyhead

Not sure how I’m getting clowned for Rodrigues who is a good player and has played in the top 6 on good playoff teams for 3 years in a row now

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

In a span since being separated from Bonino, Goodrow has been centering one of only two lines that are consistently effective. Even if we call it a “4th line” it is in fact performs as the 3rd line in use and based on effectiveness in both defensive and offensive situations. The vast overpayment is something under a million - GTFOH if you think Goodrow would be overpaid at $2.8m based on all that he brings. Even at his current AAV his line carries $5.3m which is completely reasonable.

Now I see that Trocheck was a bad signing too. Mind boggling! I guess folks just need to find something to be upset about. Go outside get some air or something....


Haha. This is a video game scenario.

Its not.

Trust me, they can make it happen if they want to. Problem is this organization has a LONG history of falling in love with players who aren't very good/used to be good but are currently bad. Fear the same is happening with Lindgren who is a clear detriment to the team no matter how much people don't want to admit it.

I can understand the apprehension of disturbing the room, but its not a big enough of a draw back considering how bad Lindgren has been this year. He's always been miscast in that role and its rearing its ugly head because hes been sub replacement level this year. A ton of guys would be an upgrade, doesn't have to be someone due a big contract. Theres no need to McDonagh Fox with his Girardi.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Raanta on waivers.

I can already see Rainjazz Bro Twitta

"Igaw sucks now. Get Rantaa and seen Kaako to Hahtfud."

Not sure how anyone can say Trocheck was a bad signing, especially with all the injuries Chytil has had the last 2 seasons.

In 110 regular season games he has 89 points (0.81 ppg) making $5.6M AAV. That's pretty close to a steal at this point for a UFA signing.

Overall it was a good signing. The guy is still a complete ADD goof and infuriating from time to time.

 

[effen]

Trochek was a slam dunk signing at the time, last year, and right now. 5.6 for a top 6 center with bite is a steal, the term coincides with your existing best players NHL life cycle. If Panarin is bad in year 6 you're f***ed anyway.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We aren't getting anybody for him in a trade that is just going to slide in and take that role. Why would the other team give us a better Lindgren for Lindgren. That's not how trades work, lol. As for Miller with Fox, I've made my point known here. It's a stupid idea. Every coach we have had had gone with a defense first guy with Fox even during the times Lindgren was hurt. Neither Miller or Gus are defense first guys. Jeez, Gus has been horrible lately in a top 4 role.

Ok.

No one is saying 1 for 1 either. Lindgren+ can easily return a player BETTER than Lindgren.

The appeal to authority based off of what "coaches" do is not a good argument. Coaches don't generally want to break up other pairs. Coaches in this league also paired Girardi with McDonagh even though it was clear that Girardi wasn't capable of handling those minutes and played Brendan Smith at forward because they were afraid of hurting Marc Staal's feelings.

I'd imagine that if Lindgren were capable of playing with anyone else on our D it would have happened already. The main issue with Lindgren now is that for a "D" first guy, his D has been f***ing horrible this year.

This isn't the first time it's happened either, he was quietly bad 2 seasons ago too.

 

[effen]

Not sure how I’m getting clowned for Rodrigues who is a good player and has played in the top 6 on good playoff teams for 3 years in a row now

He's fine but he's a clear step below and probably two steps below Trochek if we're being real.

He also got let go without a fight by two of those good playoff teams.

 

[hardnosed]

Ok.

No one is saying 1 for 1 either. Lindgren+ can easily return a player BETTER than Lindgren.

The appeal to authority based off of what "coaches" do is not a good argument. Coaches don't generally want to break up other pairs. Coaches in this league also paired Girardi with McDonagh even though it was clear that Girardi wasn't capable of handling those minutes and played Brendan Smith at forward because they were afraid of hurting Marc Staal's feelings.

I'd imagine that if Lindgren were capable of playing with anyone else on our D it would have happened already. The main issue with Lindgren now is that for a "D" first guy, his D has been f***ing horrible this year.

This isn't the first time it's happened either, he was quietly bad 2 seasons ago too.

Seems to me I've seen him out there with Trouba quite a bit, but that's only in real crucial times so that doesn't count I guess. The problem isn't moving Lindgren around as to why we don't see other combos. He played with Gus for 10 games. Why the pairs are in concrete is because you would need dynamite to separate Miller and Trouba.

 

[effen]

The best argument for miller-fox is that fox is 10/10 all the stuff Miller is garbage at, and Millers future is as a mobile defensive conscience who can lug the puck himself out of the zone.

He's not gonna be a 60 point guy.

 

[NYR Viper]

Again how do you fit the cap?
Hanafin is 27 and has never been a top pairing D. Lindgren might be playing over his head, but I dont see hanafin playing the same style lindgren does, which helps lindgren play over his head.

You want to improve our team, and thats the same thing we all do, but if lindgren takes a 5y x 4.5 million deal, vs hanafin at 7x7 or something like that. I run to sign lindgren because the gap isn't "that big"

I disagree that the gap isn’t that large

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

He's fine but he's a clear step below and probably two steps below Trochek if we're being real.

He also got let go without a fight by two of those good playoff teams.

Idk, if we’re being real it’s probably not fair to say he’s two steps below Trocheck. Erod is currently outproducing him at 5v5 and has always put up really strong 5v5 two way impacts. Totally fair to think Trocheck is better, which I agree with, but Erod is comparable. And he costs almost 3 mil less. We could’ve signed Matt Duchene with that and then we’d have even more good centers.

 

[hardnosed]

The best argument for miller-fox is that fox is 10/10 all the stuff Miller is garbage at, and Millers future is as a mobile defensive conscience who can lug the puck himself out of the zone.

He's not gonna be a 60 point guy.

I still think Miller can be a top notch offensive defenseman. We will never know if you put him with Fox because I agree with you that he will become defensive conscious with Fox.

 

[effen]

Idk, if we’re being real it’s probably not fair to say he’s two steps below Trocheck. Erod is currently outproducing him at 5v5 and has always put up really strong 5v5 two way impacts. Totally fair to think Trocheck is better, which I agree with, but Erod is comparable. And he costs almost 3 mil less. We could’ve signed Matt Duchene with that and then we’d have even more good centers.

Hindsight is easy. Trochek had a real track record where erod was seen as an outlier who got to pot PPGs with Crosby and Malkin.

 

[effen]

I still think Miller can be a top notch offensive defenseman. We will never know if you put him with Fox because I agree with you that he will become defensive conscious with Fox.

He just lacks puck skills you need from a guy who is both an offense driver and the last line of defense.

He looks like he should be one thing but he's just not. Some of that is probably his length. Hard to be a puck wizard when you're that long.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Hindsight is easy.

so is slapping 7 years with a NMC on the first guy you see and calling it a day. A good front office can make these kind of player assessments before the track record is there

 

[SA16]

Evan Rodrigues is a complementary player who can produce when on the wing with good players and is completely ineffective in any other role. He also seems to seriously wear down as the season goes along as we've seen for years now he gets off to hot starts and then does absolutely nothing in the second half. He's not even a particularly good 5v5 scorer. He's never had a great points/60 at 5v5 despite having tons of time on the wing of MacKinnon/Crosby. He's essentially the same as deadline rental. If you have him on a 1-2 year deal for cheap he's good. If it's longterm it's not likely to work.

 

[hardnosed]

He just lacks puck skills you need from a guy who is both an offense driver and the last line of defense.

He looks like he should be one thing but he's just not. Some of that is probably his length. Hard to be a puck wizard when you're that long.

Unlike Fox who distributes, Miller is a carry deep guy. He doesn't see the ice to find teammates for great chances. Don't know if that's learnable. But I hold out hope that he improves in that area

 

[McRanger92]

Who would people prefer to be the GM if Drury has been so bad? And you can’t say yourself.

Look around the league, he’s in the upper tier of General Managers.

 

[hardnosed]

Who would people prefer to be the GM if Drury has been so bad? And you can’t say yourself.

Look around the league, he’s in the upper tier of General Managers.

He's had his ups and downs but his work on July 1st was damn good

 

[duhmetreE]

No hes not lol.

I don't know why you think his "role" needs to be filled internally. It doesn't. I think most people who are advocating moving him are doing so with the mindset that they should be getting a player back for him who can slide into and more effectively fill the 1LD role.

I'd rather see both Miller AND Gus as the 1LD than him right now so there is that too.

Chychrun was the play... I'll live in the past

could have landed him with the cost of Copp and Tank.. idealogy differences.

p.s. I do not want Hanafin at UFA money

 

[huerter]

Why couldn’t we fall in love with the guy who won the players’ player award a billion times?

 

[bernmeister]

re Raanta @Profet said this at the big board, to which I followed...

Nothing that a few sessions with Benoit Allaire couldn't fix.

Rangers need to figure out how to weaponize him more.

Conditionally, this ^.
Rs are fine w/Shesty + Quick w/Garand as our future.

We stick w/that, UNLESS

if we can do Shesty at half + for Byfield +
which is worth the risk, = Kreider - By - Zib
then our G = Quick + Garand

howev, Raanta played well for us and as poster correctly notes, did well under G guru Benny Allaire.
Balance of this season, Quick the tougher games, + Raanta = cushion on yes Garand now but w'o rushing him.

Would prefer to minimize cap hit.
NYR 3rd + Jones
for
CAR 2nd + Raanta at half

Canes only downgrade 1 round, retain pick, get young D
NY gets stopgap
creates space for Robertson, who they MUST start playing

Scanlin is the real deal, will be competing in camp next season
Want Rob to have his mins now

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

re Raanta @Profet said this at the big board, to which I followed...


Conditionally, this ^.
Rs are fine w/Shesty + Quick w/Garand as our future.

We stick w/that, UNLESS

if we can do Shesty at half + for Byfield +
which is worth the risk, = Kreider - By - Zib
then our G = Quick + Garand

howev, Raanta played well for us and as poster correctly notes, did well under G guru Benny Allaire.
Balance of this season, Quick the tougher games, + Raanta = cushion on yes Garand now but w'o rushing him.

Would prefer to minimize cap hit.
NYR 3rd + Jones
for
CAR 2nd + Raanta at half

Canes only downgrade 1 round, retain pick, get young D
NY gets stopgap
creates space for Robertson, who they MUST start playing

Scanlin is the real deal, will be competing in camp next season
Want Rob to have his mins now

Rangers can't have 2 35+ goalies and Garand isn't ready yet to be an NHL backup let alone a starter.

I do think exploring a Shesh trade in the summer could be a thing depending on how he recovers this season.

 

[ncdoc]

One quarter of our starting forwards are out. A top 4D is out. Let's see what we have when we get healthy. Time in the spring to make a move or bring up an AAA player.

 

[effen]

Why couldn’t we fall in love with the guy who won the players’ player award a billion times?

Jesper Fast is currently rocking a 65.4 CF% (seriously) and has 2 goals and is -2 in 30 games (LOLOLOLOLOL)

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Jesper Fast is currently rocking a 65.4 CF% (seriously) and has 2 goals and is -2 in 30 games (LOLOLOLOLOL)

Never understood the love for Jesper Ortmeyer. Dime a dozen player.