I’m a Drury guy but the Kane/Tarasenko experiment was off the charts awful. I mean besides the fact that those two jokers don’t play the right way, just look at what it did to PP1. I’ll never understand it. But still cised for Dru. Just don’t fux up again.
Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)
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Lindgren+ for Hanifin 50% retained......that was easy.
I guarantee you, neither Lav or Drury consider Bonino or Goodrow a weakness. They love those guys. Most of us fans would disagree probably because Goodrow makes way too much money. Drury had an impossible task this last off season. Half this team makes over 8 million a year. Yea, Drury is partly to blame for that. But when you have that top heavy pay scale, you either fill all the other spots with rookies or you find cheap vets. Drury did a decent job with Vesey, Wheeler, Bonino, Pitlick, Gus, Quick. All those guys are at 1 million or less. Buch trade was stupid. Goodrow's contract stupid. But with what he had to work with over the summer, he filled these bottom 6, 3rd pair LD and backup goalie quite well. Not the biggest fan of Drury especially in the beginning, but fair is fair.
fine. 2 bad signings and 2 bad trades.
His midseason trades in 21 were widely applauded and a big reason we made the ECF.
His midseason trades in 22 were widely applauded (pre kane).
His signing of trocheck has turned out to be great.
His signing of wheeler and quick have turned out to be solid signings.
He's made more good moves than bad. Thats literally all you ask.
He doesn't get fleeced in trades, he gets solid value and doesn't mortgage our farm system for a "name".
He actually sees the same holes in our game as the board sees. We talked all last season about a RW and a LD, and look he went out and got a RW and a LD.
His drafting record is solid as well.
Sykora
Othmann
Perreault
BMC
He's willing to be patient and grab skill that needs time, he's not all in on physicality or "grit" but he values it.
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How is Drury to blame for half the team making over $8M? As I remember it (and I could be wrong), he didn't sign Panny, Trouba, Zib, Kreider to those deals and he inherited a cap nightmare from JD/Gorts. The only bad deals on his ledger (IMO) were Goodrow and Trochek. (At the moment, I'm drawing a blank on who made the Buch deal.)
Bonino is currently slotted above his head on the 3rd. Bonino on the 4th looked real good.
We're injured. This happens to any team thats missing a 2C.
buch was Drury.
Also I wouldn't call trocheck a bad deal. I'd call Trocheck a very good deal.
I did say partly to blame. He signed Goodrow after trading for his rights and signed Vinny. He might have signed one or two of the extensions too. I can't remember.
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Thank you.....and, yes, Trocheck is starting to bear fruit....but, like many others, I thought it was a bad deal at the time and thru much of his "first tour" with Panny.
His extensions were Mika/Fox/Igor
Panarin was before him
as was Trouba.
I disagree about Tarasenko. He was a lot more feisty than I expected. And he backchecker better than I thought he would.
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This is exactly why you have to move him. These are piling up like they did on Prucha. Do it now while he can still play.
Hanifin is a great fit for now and in the future. He is 27, can skate, can pass, blocks shots, etc. Everything Lindgren does, but 1 better. We shouldn't wait to improve our team. The sooner, the better.
Now beyond that, I am secretly happy about the Cap situation. It means we are less likely to do something stupid like Kane again. The off-season and minimum deals are the time for that. Sign vets cheap, don't trade for them.
Again how do you fit the cap?
Hanafin is 27 and has never been a top pairing D. Lindgren might be playing over his head, but I dont see hanafin playing the same style lindgren does, which helps lindgren play over his head.
You want to improve our team, and thats the same thing we all do, but if lindgren takes a 5y x 4.5 million deal, vs hanafin at 7x7 or something like that. I run to sign lindgren because the gap isn't "that big"
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Drury came in 3rd for GM of the year in 2021-2022 so I guess he fooled most of the other teams GMs, teams executives and team media in to believing he has done a good jobHis extensions were Mika/Fox/Igor
Panarin was before him
as was Trouba.
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I don't think the Rangers will be making any kind of splash at the deadline. Either another big D or a versatile player who can play C & RW.
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Never underestimate the depths of Dolan's stupidity. He will surprise you every time.
goodrow on the 4th is fine. Goodrow at 3m is not.
Bonino on the 4th is good. Bonino on the 3rd is not.
If your 4th line is good, either they're all ELC's or you aren't paying for high end talent, and neither of those are sustainable.
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I wouldnt really say Drury fooled them, Igor and his .940 did. And we’re really going to tout a THIRD PLACE finish for an award that is given about 2 seconds of thought based entirely on media narratives and standings points.Drury came in 3rd for executive of the year in 2021-2022 so I guess he fooled most of the other teams GMs, teams executives and team media in to believing he has done a good job
Here are Drurys moves from his executive of the year worthy performance after signing Gallant
1. Buch for Blais trade, the worst since Zubov
2. Trades Howden for a 4th, then trades a 3rd for Reaves and extends him before even playing a single game for NYR
3. Signs Nemeth to a 3 year deal, eventually trades multiple picks to Arizona to get them to take him off our books because he was so bad
4. Trades for Goodrow's rights and then signs him to what might be the worst contract a 4th liner has ever gotten, and he'll need to give up even more to get him off our books
5. Signs Jarred Tinordi, who was bad and then put on waivers and claimed by Chicago
6. Brings in Greg McKegg and Dryden Hunt, who play more than NYR's prospects
7. Trades NYR's top C prospect + a 1st to get Copp because NYR didn't have a top 6 RW because they traded Buch
8. Trades a 4th for Vatrano due to the same issues as in #7; also trades for Motte, only to then have to let Motte walk in FA for less than Reaves' AAV because they signed Reaves in the first place, and then ends up trading for Motte again
I really struggle to see how this is a solid year on the job. Yeah the deadline deals in isolation look like fine value but as I said earlier, you don’t get credit for using assets to fill self created holes.
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There were some significant issues with the earlier drafts he was AGM for.
The Copp trade wasn’t great and I would absolutely argue that he was fleeced on Buch and Nemeth. The Goodrow signing was inexplicable.
But yes, his signings this off-season were solid and the drafts since 2019 seem fine.
1. We've all agreed the blais trade was bad. I think there are significantly worse trades we've made but its bad.
2. Reaves got a small extension. We also were able to move reaves without needing an asset so clearly it wasn't a bad deal.
3. Nemeth is a bad signing. Moving Nemeth was a bad trade. We did also clearly add to get emberson, so the deal wasn't "quite as bad"
4. Goodrow's contract was messed up because of the very clear tampering. Drury didnt wanna cut bait on goodrow because of the already spent draft pick, but we got screwed. The cap number is the problem, not the goodrow trade and signing. We also will likely buy goodrow out. The buyout number is very managable.
5. Tinordi was a mid signing, and clearly not a problem, because someone else grabbed him.
6. IF MCKEGG AND HUNT ARE GETTING TIME, thats the coach not the GM.
7. Our top C prospect was Morgan Barron, who can't get 20 points on WPG. Lets be clear, the copp trade, was a great trade. You wanna claim its because they didnt have buch, sure, but lets take each move in isolation, not as "well they had to make up for this previous mistake"
Also the copp trade was Barron + 2nd (with a condition) not Barron + 1st. We just happened to significantly exceed expectations in the playoffs.
8. Vatrano needed to walk. He was not a good fit for us long term. Motte was one of those, we probably made the same offer he signed for, but he rejected it hoping to wait out more money, we moved on.
You have a problem with drury, great, but he's not a bad gm, he's had his ups and downs.
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Wheeler has been better ever since he got his legs back under him. He uses his big body well out there to make up for his dearth of quickness. He still has the passing vision too.
Upgrading Lindgren means bringing in someone better than him, not running with Miller-Gus-Jones.
He's been great on the PK but thats it. He's been dreadful this year and relative to role, has been the worst D this year by A LOT. I'll take a hit on the PK if it means being better everywhere else. The PK is only part of his role, his main role on the team is 1LD and he's been horrible at it.
I'm not even a huge Hanafin guy but Hanafin-Fox would be SO much better than Lindgren-Fox.
Someone else brought it up - Look at the partners of most of the other top D in the league. How many of them have a player worse or on par with Lindgren? Dahlin?
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Well that post I made was responding to another poster who basically said “oh well Drury was voted 3rd best executive of the year so that must mean he was good”. So yes, if you’re evaluating a GM’s yearly performance you have to look at each move in the context of all their moves from that year. If you shit your pants and have to rent new pants in the meantime, you’re just back at square one with less money and no long term solution for pants. That isn’t worth applauding
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Wheeler really has some surprising speed once he gets those long legs moving. He won't win any 0-60 races but he isn't bad in the 1/4 mile ones.
Drury had basically enough money to shop at Dollar Tree. He came away with 5 usuable players in Quick, Guf, Bonino, Pitlick, and Wheeler. He also came away with a really good coaching staff. One of which (Peca) has helped last years signing (Vince) be one of the best faceoff guys in the NHL.
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