Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[NickyFotiu]

Gotta imagine this was Pierre LaRouche...

Lucky Pierre was a very cool Ranger but no. Going to stop responding to guesses because as I mentioned previously I really shouldn't have said anything.

 

[NickyFotiu]

People criticize a bunch of things about Drury, but I think he is one of the best GMs in the NHL. Dude just straight knows puck. He got good dudes on good league minimum contracts (league min contracts for the 4th line is what was begged for damn years here) in Vesey and Pitlick. The Hartford team is in the best shape it has literally ever been. And even his contract have been pretty damn good. All of Fox, Trocheck, and Kreider are looking like very good value deals for literally top end contender level players.

And for as much as so many of us shit on the Lav hire, he has been the absolute right hire thus far.

All GMs have good and bad moves. People often judge on the extreme moves but I judge based on the whole record. I'm happy with Drury when looking at his complete record. With that said to win the Cup Drury will need to find a top line 5 on 5 puck carrier imo.

 

[RangerBoy]

Wheeler has been much better recently. He made the play on Kreider's first goal battling for the puck. Wheeler didn't get an assist. There was a sequence in the 2nd period, where Wheeler did a good job along the wall controlling the puck. The Rangers can't change every player at the deadline.

 

[RangerBoy]

Just received an alert that the MSG-+ app is available on Roku.

That MSG+ is awful. You can't go back and look at the game during the game. If something happens in the game and you want to see it again, you have to wait until the game is available on demand. ESPN+ allows you to go back and see something if you missed it.

Last night, I saw on twitter that Brady Tkachuk hit Miro Heiskanen late. I went to ESPN+ and found it during the Rangers intermission.



I love Brady Tkachuk. Great player.

I have Apple TV and trying to connect your cable TV subscription is a pain. The app does not remember the login information.

I watch games mostly on my Mac and the MSG+ desktop version stinks. The technology is from 10 years ago.

 

[haohmaru]

Wheeler has been much better recently. He made the play on Kreider's first goal battling for the puck. Wheeler didn't get an assist. There was a sequence in the 2nd period, where Wheeler did a good job along the wall controlling the puck. The Rangers can't change every player at the deadline.

The Rangers won't have a lot of options at the deadline unless players get moved from the starting lineup.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers won't have a lot of options at the deadline unless players get moved from the starting lineup.

The Rangers have so many players making $800,000. It's hard to find a better player making the same money.

Goodrow isn't being moved. Lindgren isn't being moved.

Kakko is at $2.1M. Are the Rangers moving him? His cap hit isn't that big.

The Rangers don't have many players to trade.

Acquire an experienced D. Someone who is an upgrade over Jones. Lindgren took a big hit last night. McCabe clocked him in the Toronto game.

Maybe Edstrom becomes a bottom 6 option for the Rangers. His cap ht fits.

 

[bernmeister]

Edstrom COULD be the next Boo Nieves
(in a different way, of course)
but let's not jump the gun

want to see Rempe as well to add, not replace, Ed

 

[Fitzy]

Edstrom COULD be the next Boo Nieves
(in a different way, of course)
but let's not jump the gun

want to see Rempe as well to add, not replace, Ed

This is the least exciting thing you could possibly say

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Edstrom COULD be the next Boo Nieves
(in a different way, of course)
but let's not jump the gun

want to see Rempe as well to add, not replace, Ed

By a different way you mean that he's actually good?

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Wheeler has been much better recently. He made the play on Kreider's first goal battling for the puck. Wheeler didn't get an assist. There was a sequence in the 2nd period, where Wheeler did a good job along the wall controlling the puck. The Rangers can't change every player at the deadline.

Yes he randomly decided to start winning battles and making plays out of nowhere. Made a really great play to get the puck off the wall to Fox on the Vesey goal.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

3 bleeping coaches. Maybe there's something we aren't privy to that could explain why they don't do it.

A defensive pairing is not always about putting your best players together. You need players who complement each other. You can criticize Lindgren, argue he can be upgraded, but his style of play meshes well with Fox and Fox is comfortable with him. Lindgren is quick enough and has just enough puck skills (outlets, D to D) to keep up there. If you put Miller there, does Miller adjust his game to complement Fox, or does Fox need to adjust his game to complement Miller? It definitely could work, but I’m not so sure it would be the best thing for Fox to be paired with K’Andre.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If the Rangers are serious about winning, they need to upgrade Lindgren.

If the locker room can't handle it, then your room sucks.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If the Rangers are serious about winning, they need to upgrade Lindgren.

If the locker room can't handle it, then your room sucks.

If you’re talking about mid season, It’s not just upgrading Lindgren. It’s about replacing Lindgren and whatever else you have to move.
We have no cap space to afford an upgrade on Lindgren this year.

If you’re talking next season, let’s see how this one plays out first.

 

[kovazub94]

This is the least exciting thing you could possibly say

This could have been 100x worse if it was @EdJovanovski calling Othmann the next Kravtsov.

 

[Avery16]

All GMs have good and bad moves. People often judge on the extreme moves but I judge based on the whole record. I'm happy with Drury when looking at his complete record. With that said to win the Cup Drury will need to find a top line 5 on 5 puck carrier imo.

So in other words, the very thing Drury traded away for magic beans.

Blais, btw, a healthy scratch by the Blues new coach. Berube had been using him on the 4th line for a while.

 

[kovazub94]

If the Rangers are serious about winning, they need to upgrade Lindgren.

If the locker room can't handle it, then your room sucks.

Admittedly so far Lindgren has been worse than how he performed last season and probably even the season before. Still if this upgrade was necessary the Rangers could have easily bump Miller to 1LD and Gustafsson to 2LD. But they’re not doing it… yeah, obviously because they’re just dumb.

 

[bernmeister]

This is the least exciting thing you could possibly say

Silly critics
you have forgotten how bern explained potential upside of Boo as a good and useful pivot given the exact circumstances.
Not the first or last time bern correct and Rs mgmt wrong for not going there.

And to answer the ?,
by different I mean Ed + Remp are oversized but can functionally skate +, tho ability level remains to be seen,

Nieves had size, was a good fluid skater, could defend + pass

dif skill set

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Sometimes these things are kept in house forever. Sometimes they leak out because there are probably 30 people that know what is going on.

Decades ago a popular player was sent down to the AHL for much of the season. Nobody could understand it at the time. In fact the media reported a bogus reason but a family friend that worked in MSG told my dad why. I have never said who it was or why.

Dave Maloney talked about this openly years later.
According to Dave Maloney the reason was that LaRouche failed to buy into Ted Sator and the team’s commitment to play a defensive style.
Later that year, the players took a vote and asked that he be brought back from Hershey.

I believe the bogus story was that Pierre was sent to Hershey as part of the Flyers giving permission to the Rangers to hire Ted Sator.

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[Clark Kellogg]

By a different way you mean that he's actually good?

That’s the take I got.

 

[hardnosed]

If the Rangers are serious about winning, they need to upgrade Lindgren.

If the locker room can't handle it, then your room sucks.

Lindgren plays a role of this team. He's the best penalty killer we have and is the guy out there in the last minute protecting a 1 goal lead. Both of these chores, he does without Fox by the way. So, they may need to replace him should he price himself out on the next contract or even if they feel they can "upgrade" him as you say. But you guys that want to dump Lindgren are going to be real disappointed on who they replace him with. It's going to be another defense first guy to play those roles. The other LD of this team are not that type of player. I actually laugh out loud when people suggest we go with Miller, Gus and Jones.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

That MSG+ is awful. You can't go back and look at the game during the game. If something happens in the game and you want to see it again, you have to wait until the game is available on demand. ESPN+ allows you to go back and see something if you missed it.

Last night, I saw on twitter that Brady Tkachuk hit Miro Heiskanen late. I went to ESPN+ and found it during the Rangers intermission.



I love Brady Tkachuk. Great player.

I have Apple TV and trying to connect your cable TV subscription is a pain. The app does not remember the login information.

I watch games mostly on my Mac and the MSG+ desktop version stinks. The technology is from 10 years ago.

After the holidays I head down to Florida on and off till April.
I can’t imagine it being worse than watching it on my phone.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

All GMs have good and bad moves. People often judge on the extreme moves but I judge based on the whole record. I'm happy with Drury when looking at his complete record. With that said to win the Cup Drury will need to find a top line 5 on 5 puck carrier imo.

every GM has bad moves, but for good GMs they can be counted on one hand. with Drury you can only count his good moves on one hand, meanwhile he’s taken more Ls than the Detroit Pistons.

a GM doesn't get credit for realizing mistakes, that just puts them back to neutral. a good GM doesn't trade buch for nothing and also doesn't think that any of Reaves/Blais/Goodrow/Tinordi/Harpur/
Nemeth/Mckegg etc. are good hockey players in the first place. a good GM doesn't make moves that he knows are bad but wants to do for his coach; he hires a good coach to begin with, one who wants to use good players. the team is 20-7-1 right now on the backs of virtually everybody who was already here before Drury took over. the team's biggest weaknesses are his own acquisitions in Goodrow and Bonino

 

[NickyFotiu]

So in other words, the very thing Drury traded away for magic beans.

Blais, btw, a healthy scratch by the Blues new coach. Berube had been using him on the 4th line for a while.

When Im thinking a puck carrier Im thinking in terms of Crosby, McDavid, Makar, Letang types. If talking a lower level guy I would think of a Michael Nylander in the Jagr years. A guy that can deliver the mail blue line to blue line consistently when passing isn't working.

 

[IDvsEGO]

every GM has bad moves, but for good GMs they can be counted on one hand. with Drury you can only count his good moves on one hand, meanwhile he’s taken more Ls than the Detroit Pistons.

a GM doesn't get credit for realizing mistakes, that just puts them back to neutral. a good GM doesn't trade buch for nothing and also doesn't think that any of Reaves/Blais/Goodrow/Tinordi/Harpur/
Nemeth/Mckegg etc. are good hockey players in the first place. a good GM doesn't make moves that he knows are bad but wants to do for his coach; he hires a good coach to begin with, one who wants to use good players. the team is 20-7-1 right now on the backs of virtually everybody who was already here before Drury took over. the team's biggest weaknesses are his own acquisitions in Goodrow and Bonino

Drury has made 1 bad trade. 1 bad signing.

The rest of his moves have been fairly solid.
His mid-seasons trades are solid, his coaching hire has appeared to be a good fit so far.

 

[Avery16]

Drury has made 1 bad trade. 1 bad signing.

The rest of his moves have been fairly solid.
His mid-seasons trades are solid, his coaching hire has appeared to be a good fit so far.

I’m giving him credit for Nemeth on both sides too.