Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[IDvsEGO]

Upgrading Lindgren means bringing in someone better than him, not running with Miller-Gus-Jones.

He's been great on the PK but thats it. He's been dreadful this year and relative to role, has been the worst D this year by A LOT. I'll take a hit on the PK if it means being better everywhere else. The PK is only part of his role, his main role on the team is 1LD and he's been horrible at it.

I'm not even a huge Hanafin guy but Hanafin-Fox would be SO much better than Lindgren-Fox.

Someone else brought it up - Look at the partners of most of the other top D in the league. How many of them have a player worse or on par with Lindgren? Dahlin?

Would it? Hanafin is a better player than Lindgren , that doesn't mean the pairing is automatically better.
Do they play the exact same style ? Fox and Hanafin likely played together in the USNDP, so theyre likely familiar with each other, but that doesn't instantly mean they play as well together.

Defense isnt as simple as "put your best player together and it works"

 

[DanielBrassard]

I have a solution that requires giving up no assets.

Stop D pair numbering.

Doesnt help

 

[hardnosed]

Upgrading Lindgren means bringing in someone better than him, not running with Miller-Gus-Jones.

He's been great on the PK but thats it. He's been dreadful this year and relative to role, has been the worst D this year by A LOT. I'll take a hit on the PK if it means being better everywhere else. The PK is only part of his role, his main role on the team is 1LD and he's been horrible at it.

I'm not even a huge Hanafin guy but Hanafin-Fox would be SO much better than Lindgren-Fox.

Someone else brought it up - Look at the partners of most of the other top D in the league. How many of them have a player worse or on par with Lindgren? Dahlin?

We can't afford Lindgren. How are we going to afford a guy that's a lot better. We will end up with a guy like Mikalos. And don't underestimate how much penalty killing means to this staff. They hope to win on special teams and goaltending.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Not sure how anyone can say Trocheck was a bad signing, especially with all the injuries Chytil has had the last 2 seasons.

In 110 regular season games he has 89 points (0.81 ppg) making $5.6M AAV. That's pretty close to a steal at this point for a UFA signing.

 

[McRanger92]

Gonna need Lindgren to go more than 1 game without getting obliterated by a clean hit. Can’t pay a guy who can’t protect himself and is injured in a similar way every season.

 

[hardnosed]

I don’t disagree because of the money, I disagree because he sucks

Well, again you disagree with the coaches because they love Goodrow. Personally, as a player, I can take him or leave him. What we are paying him is my big problem with him.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Not sure how anyone can say Trocheck was a bad signing, especially with all the injuries Chytil has had the last 2 seasons.

In 110 regular season games he has 89 points (0.81 ppg) making $5.6M AAV. That's pretty close to a steal at this point for a UFA signing.

How dare you be realistic on this board!!! Look at all we gave up to get Vince!!!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Would it? Hanafin is a better player than Lindgren , that doesn't mean the pairing is automatically better.
Do they play the exact same style ? Fox and Hanafin likely played together in the USNDP, so theyre likely familiar with each other, but that doesn't instantly mean they play as well together.

Defense isnt as simple as "put your best player together and it works"

Nah.

Hanafin was drafted out of the NCAA so they wouldn't have overlapped.

The familiarity thing is overrated. Fox and Lindgren are as familiar with each other as a pair can be and it's not working.

Either way, he's a massive problem. If you're not removing him from the roster, he needs to be moved down in the lineup. I get that the blood and guts thing buys him a longer leash then other players will get but the rope is beyond frayed at this point.

We can't afford Lindgren. How are we going to afford a guy that's a lot better. We will end up with a guy like Mikalos. And don't underestimate how much penalty killing means to this staff. They hope to win on special teams and goaltending.

They can afford Lindgren. The thing is that they shouldn't be spending money on what they're likely to get out of him on his next deal. There are other ways to open up space and there is enough internally to fill some holes that you may need to open up for cap relief IF they want to upgrade him with a more expensive body.

I don't underestimate how much PK means. I know that its important and it's even more important in the playoffs (I'd rather have a great PK than a great PP FWIW.)

I don't think removing him from the equation nukes the PK entirely. BTW this was the same argument used when they moved Callahan and.... the PK actually got better after he left. Sometimes guys get a bigger role and they take off with it.

 

[hardnosed]

Gonna need Lindgren to go more than 1 game without getting obliterated by a clean hit. Can’t pay a guy who can’t protect himself and is injured in a similar way every season.

This season hits are different from previous seasons. Last few years he got hurt making a play that he knew he was going to get killed. This year, he's been oblivious. Like his head is somewhere else. He has to wake up

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not sure how anyone can say Trocheck was a bad signing, especially with all the injuries Chytil has had the last 2 seasons.

In 110 regular season games he has 89 points (0.81 ppg) making $5.6M AAV. That's pretty close to a steal at this point for a UFA signing.

It was really just the Strome stans and Jovo's weird ass.

 

[hardnosed]

Nah.

Hanafin was drafted out of the NCAA so they wouldn't have overlapped.

The familiarity thing is overrated. Fox and Lindgren are as familiar with each other as a pair can be and it's not working.

Either way, he's a massive problem. If you're not removing him from the roster, he needs to be moved down in the lineup. I get that the blood and guts thing buys him a longer leash then other players will get but the rope is beyond frayed at this point.



They can afford Lindgren. The thing is that they shouldn't be spending money on what they're likely to get out of him on his next deal. There are other ways to open up space and there is enough internally to fill some holes that you may need to open up for cap relief IF they want to upgrade him with a more expensive body.

I don't underestimate how much PK means. I know that its important and it's even more important in the playoffs (I'd rather have a great PK than a great PP FWIW.)

I don't think removing him from the equation nukes the PK entirely. BTW this was the same argument used when they moved Callahan and.... the PK actually got better after he left. Sometimes guys get a bigger role and they take off with it.

We don't have anyone else to fit Lindgren's role. Find someone who does that. We have seen enough of the other defenseman on this team to know that they aren't going to grow into that role. At this point he's a necessary evil.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We don't have anyone else to fit Lindgren's role. Find someone who does that. We have seen enough of the other defenseman on this team to know that they aren't going to grow into that role. At this point he's a necessary evil.

No hes not lol.

I don't know why you think his "role" needs to be filled internally. It doesn't. I think most people who are advocating moving him are doing so with the mindset that they should be getting a player back for him who can slide into and more effectively fill the 1LD role.

I'd rather see both Miller AND Gus as the 1LD than him right now so there is that too.

 

[Avery16]

Gonna need Lindgren to go more than 1 game without getting obliterated by a clean hit. Can’t pay a guy who can’t protect himself and is injured in a similar way every season.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

No hes not lol.

I don't know why you think his "role" needs to be filled internally. It doesn't. I think most people who are advocating moving him are doing so with the mindset that they should be getting a player back for him who can slide into and more effectively fill the 1LD role.

I'd rather see both Miller AND Gus as the 1LD than him right now so there is that too.

Lindgren can’t be moved. Trouba can’t fill the gritty hard nosed sandpaper jam American hero pucks to the face quota on his own

 

[kovazub94]

In a span since being separated from Bonino, Goodrow has been centering one of only two lines that are consistently effective. Even if we call it a “4th line” it is in fact performs as the 3rd line in use and based on effectiveness in both defensive and offensive situations. The vast overpayment is something under a million - GTFOH if you think Goodrow would be overpaid at $2.8m based on all that he brings. Even at his current AAV his line carries $5.3m which is completely reasonable.

Now I see that Trocheck was a bad signing too. Mind boggling! I guess folks just need to find something to be upset about. Go outside get some air or something....

No hes not lol.

I don't know why you think his "role" needs to be filled internally. It doesn't. I think most people who are advocating moving him are doing so with the mindset that they should be getting a player back for him who can slide into and more effectively fill the 1LD role.

I'd rather see both Miller AND Gus as the 1LD than him right now so there is that too.

Haha. This is a video game scenario.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The template requires Lindy/fox. It just does.

No

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Not sure how anyone can say Trocheck was a bad signing, especially with all the injuries Chytil has had the last 2 seasons.

In 110 regular season games he has 89 points (0.81 ppg) making $5.6M AAV. That's pretty close to a steal at this point for a UFA signing.

In the context of the team it’s pretty easy to argue it was a bad signing at time. It guaranteed that the team has either a 5.6M 3C or blocks Chytil from top 6 for eternity. It was never about Trocheck not being a good player. I would’ve opted to sign Evan Rodrigues who I think is the same caliber player as Trocheck for fewer years/money

 

[kovazub94]

Where’s this notion coming from that if you put two offensive defensemen together you get (for simplicity) double the offense??? It will actually be the opposite compared to if they were split. D’s first responsibility is still defense so in the two offensive defensemen scenario both of them will have to make adjustments they wouldn’t need to if paired with a defense first partner. And specifically wrt Fox - how much more offense you expect to get out of perennial Norris candidate? Can he play / adjust to another partner? Sure but why? Him and Lindgren played together for years. Fox can do his thing knowing that Lindgren knows what to do and where to be so Fox shouldn’t worry about anything else. Better defender than Lindgren for the same $ or cheaper because of the team’s cap situation? Try finding it without big overpayment in trade and without guarantee that there will be the same chemistry they develop over at least half dozen years instantly.

 

[kovazub94]

In the context of the team it’s pretty easy to argue it was a bad signing at time. It guaranteed that the team has either a 5.6M 3C or blocks Chytil from top 6 for eternity. It was never about Trocheck not being a good player. I would’ve opted to sign Evan Rodrigues who I think is the same caliber player as Trocheck for fewer years/money

OMG, it was exactly these concerns that either Chytil wouldn’t develop into bona fide 2C OR that he would be frequently injured is why Trocheck was such a smart signing (who could play different style of game fit for either 2C or 3C) and the team is benefiting from this decision right now. The only risk would be that Chytil’s development last season goes into overdrive to the point the Rangers can’t resign him. Small risk because he still was RFA and it didn’t materialized. It’s mind boggling how you’re trying to put this into negative right now.

 

[Avery16]

Raanta on waivers.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

OMG, it was exactly these concerns that either Chytil wouldn’t develop into bona fide 2C OR that he would be frequently injured is why Trocheck was such a smart signing (who could play different style of game fit for either 2C or 3C) and the team is benefiting from this decision right now. The only risk would be that Chytil’s development last season goes into overdrive to the point the Rangers can’t resign him. Small risk because he still was RFA and it didn’t materialized. It’s mind boggling how you’re trying to put this into negative right now.

I’m just saying that it’s not that hard to argue that the Trocheck deal wasn’t that good. Supplementing Chytil with another good C was always a good idea, it just didn’t have to be Trocheck at 5.6x7

 

[effen]

In the context of the team it’s pretty easy to argue it was a bad signing at time. It guaranteed that the team has either a 5.6M 3C or blocks Chytil from top 6 for eternity. It was never about Trocheck not being a good player. I would’ve opted to sign Evan Rodrigues who I think is the same caliber player as Trocheck for fewer years/money

Video game logic where guys aren't injury prone and you're suddenly left with second line center evan rodrigues when chytil becomes a jellyhead

 

[Boris Zubov]

In the context of the team it’s pretty easy to argue it was a bad signing at time. It guaranteed that the team has either a 5.6M 3C or blocks Chytil from top 6 for eternity. It was never about Trocheck not being a good player. I would’ve opted to sign Evan Rodrigues who I think is the same caliber player as Trocheck for fewer years/money

I’m just saying that it’s not that hard to argue that the Trocheck deal wasn’t that good. Supplementing Chytil with another good C was always a good idea, it just didn’t have to be Trocheck at 5.6x7

If you want to argue the length of Trocheck's deal is too long, that's one thing, but to say Rodrigues could fill his spot & the team wouldn't miss a beat is a giant reach. ER is a solid 3C, but that's his ceiling, 3C.

Initially, I wasn't a fan of the deal either, simply because of the length & moreso that it locked the core in long term limiting the roster flexibility. In hindsight, one is not being honest if they are nitpicking this particular signing.

 

[hardnosed]

No hes not lol.

I don't know why you think his "role" needs to be filled internally. It doesn't. I think most people who are advocating moving him are doing so with the mindset that they should be getting a player back for him who can slide into and more effectively fill the 1LD role.

I'd rather see both Miller AND Gus as the 1LD than him right now so there is that too.

We aren't getting anybody for him in a trade that is just going to slide in and take that role. Why would the other team give us a better Lindgren for Lindgren. That's not how trades work, lol. As for Miller with Fox, I've made my point known here. It's a stupid idea. Every coach we have had had gone with a defense first guy with Fox even during the times Lindgren was hurt. Neither Miller or Gus are defense first guys. Jeez, Gus has been horrible lately in a top 4 role.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

We can't afford Lindgren. How are we going to afford a guy that's a lot better. We will end up with a guy like Mikalos. And don't underestimate how much penalty killing means to this staff. They hope to win on special teams and goaltending.

"We" at HF can't afford paying Brodzyinsky for one day of NHL playing time.

The Rangers themselves can afford Lindgren's next deal whether it's a one-year bridge or three-year extension.

Once again, you don't just replace Lindgren with Hanifin like EA Sports. You don't throw Matthew Robertson out there and expect the same results. There's fantasy and then there's reality.