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Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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Himmy Vesey injured in practice? Hit by a puck that ricocheted off the cross bar?

Guess who’s back, guess who’s back, guess who’s back , guess who’s back…


 
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JimmyG89 said:
No not every team, especially the good ones. There are rosters that have centers on the wing. Vegas has a bunch of centers or guys that have played center at the NHL level that are on the wing. We do not have those. We have centers and we have wingers. Obviously Panarin isn't playing center, but Lafreniere hasn't, Kreider takes some draws, but doesn't play C. The guy that has done it is Wheeler, but at this stage of his career, I do not think that is an option.

If you are a good team and franchise, you have options to move guys down the middle in the event of an injury. Someone in the top 6 played center and moved to wing and can do it for a period of time. This team does not. We're two guys capable of being a middle 6 center away from being in those spots. in 2023, Nick Bonino is not a viable option as next man up for 3C and there is no young center that you want to give a shot to either.

When the Devils lost Hughes and Hischier, they had Mercer, Haula, and McLeod. Those are not world beaters, but Haula blows away anyone we have after our top 3 and McLeod is an upgrade on them. Carolina minus Aho+Kotka and they'd still have Necas/Staal/Drury. Someone slides over and takes the middle.

The issue isn't that those options as 1-3Cs are not ideal, but the Rangers might have the worst organizational C depth around the league, at least of the playoff teams. At least there are options coming on RW, there is next to nothing for C. Bryce McConnell-Barker is the only guy that stands out, maybe Korczak, as a young center in the organization, and only one of them can be called up.

This is the reason people want someone like Lindholm, Gourde, Henrique, etc instead of adding a RW as a deadline candidate. We can move Chytil out there, you could play one of these guys out there. We added Copp that played center and filled in at times, but was on the wing with Strome and Panarin. You need versatility over 82 games. This team as constructed is missing a lot of that.
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Assuming Chytil is coming back at some point I completely disagree with trading assets for a (quality) rental center for a variety of reasons.

1. It is not a need at all. If we're trading assets I want it to be for someone who will improve a weakness and not someone who is a safety net just in case. We're already weak at RW. If one gets hurt then it's even worse. Center is fine.

2. Centers generally cost more in trades so now we're trading even more assets for something we don't need.

3. You're now bringing in someone and forcing other guys out of position. Can Chytil play wing? Probably. He hasn't done it in years though.

Having more flexibility would be good but we do have that. Wheeler has played plenty of center. I certainly wouldn't say it's "not an option" without at least trying it and seeing how things go. Why would you trade assets for something when you have a potential in-house solution? The team is in 1st place in the division. They have the ability to experiment for a few games if they want.
 
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SA16 said:
We're already weak at RW. If one gets hurt then it's even worse. Center is fine.
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Get a center that can play right wing. This is not a difficult operation. It can be a RW that has been a center before. I do not care about the order of operations. We need another forward and one that can play center while being a RW option is the best bet.

And for a team with big asperations, I'm prioritizing that this person is a center that can play wing before the opposite.
 
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JimmyG89 said:
Get a center that can play right wing. This is not a difficult operation. It can be a RW that has been a center before. I do not care about the order of operations. We need another forward and one that can play center while being a RW option is the best bet.

And for a team with big asperations, I'm prioritizing that this person is a center that can play wing before the opposite.
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Keeping in mind that we have no cap space which player that plays both center/wing and is good enough to actually make a difference are you trying to acquire? I doubt they will be trading any significant piece off their roster as that is not usually a move contenders make at the deadline these days. Goodrow would do it but he likely has negative value and will cost even more in picks to get rid of his contract.

Lindholm is not realistic. No cap space. To get him in a double retained deal would cost a huge amount. Gourde? Same issue. And he has another year.

So if we look at the bad teams then:

San Jose - nobody
Anaheim - nobody. Henrique has an even higher cap hit than Lindholm/Gourde
Ottawa - nobody
Columbus - Sean Kuraly? Big deal.
Minnesota - Freddy Gaudreau or Johansen? Maybe
Seattle - Wennberg/Gourde? too expensive. Wennberg a terrible fit as well.
Calgary - Sharangovich is not a bad option

I'm not exactly seeing many of these guys who actually fit that are available at a cost we can even afford. Obviously if Kakko/Chytil are out until the playoffs that changes thing but they said Kakko is expected back and you can't make a trade expecting that of Chytil given he's skating and if he's ready to come back you have a problem.

Meanwhile what we actually need is a RW, or several. They don't have to be great but just competent depth NHL players. Behind Laf we have almost nothing.
 
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This team sucks playing tired. They reset back to their default setting, which is soft.

just chalk up the 3rd game in 4 nights as a loss. Better off not watching

We need one more player that can play with tenacity. It’s why I want Gourde. He can play center until chytil gets back then he can move to Zibs RW
 
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The simple way to solve the center issue would be to have (2) guys on the 4th line who can play center which the team has in Bonino and Goodrow. The issue being, it would have been nice to take their combined cap hits and get a couple of guys who make ~$1.5-2m each.

For example:
Goodrow + Bonino = ~$4.65m in total cap hit
Eller + Lafferty = $3.6m
Eller + Blueger = $4.35m

These are just examples

I was calling for this over the off-season as well but Goodrow ties up so much cap space it kills the idea.

In saying that, the team has the highest scoring player in the AHL in far fewer games (at least at the time of his recall) in Brodzinski who is a center. He's been playing wing because that's what the coach wants to do (probably because Bonino shouldn't play wing) but the team has some depth there.

Count me in, yet again, for re-signing Brodzinki right now to a 2-year extension for this very reason. He's cheap insurance that can play wing or center and also lead in the AHL.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
Zibs was basically as good or better than Brassard right from the start so that was a really good trade for us. To put it in terms of that Branch Rickey quote it was us trading the player (29 year old Brassard) 1 season too soon instead of 1 season too late.

I'm not looking to give KK away but if KK needs to be part of a package to get a top line forward or a top line Dman I'm open to it. We need top line players more than 40 point players in my opinion.
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I hear you. And I'm not saying KK is untouchable, just that selling low on him, whether part of a package or not, is bad business. I mean its hard to say whether the deal is a good one or not unless we can see the deal. Hahaha. My point is unless you are getting at LEAST the trade value of a defensively excellent 40 point winger, you're selling low on him. I don't mean him PLUS for that winger/value, I'm saying that is HIS value as part of the package. And I honestly don't think you can get that value for him while injured off of his offensively worst start to a season.
Also, Zib was about 10 points per 80 games less than Brass the two years prior to the trade, but had a better year than Brass immediately following the trade.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
I want a healthy Chytil back for the rest of the season and playoffs.

Thats my Rangers Christmas wish.

Thank you Santa

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I really like Chytil but my concern is each time he has this head injury, the perception that he will have future issues increases. If this injury happens again will it be too late to entertain a trade?
 
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hardnosed said:
Desperation I guess. Everyone has seen enough of Jones.
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Crazy to be desperate during the first team slump after a great start. Schneider's so young still for a D. Jones has gotten very little actual playing time in the NHL. Yet so many are ready to toss them and look at the next option.
 
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If Chytil is skating on own, walking the MSG concourse, and taking photos with fans, he isn't done for the year. Rangers being very cautious with injuries. Have a feeling this was a major reason why Ramsay was dumped.
 
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TominNC said:
Crazy to be desperate during the first team slump after a great start. Schneider's so young still for a D. Jones has gotten very little actual playing time in the NHL. Yet so many are ready to toss them and look at the next option.
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My comment only had to do with who replaces Miller should he be out again, Robertson or Jones. Don't know why you jumped to Schneider
 
NickyFotiu said:
I really like Chytil but my concern is each time he has this head injury, the perception that he will have future issues increases. If this injury happens again will it be too late to entertain a trade?
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Also Chytil never comes back and plays well.

He always looks lost for months after returning.
 
Clark Kellogg said:
Himmy Vesey injured in practice? Hit by a puck that ricocheted off the cross bar?

Guess who’s back, guess who’s back, guess who’s back , guess who’s back…


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Odd, they pulled the K’Andre Miller Video. This feed is controlled by the NHL not the Rangers organization.
Wasn’t much. He said he was going through something that for now he is keeping private. Also that it was up to the Coach if he would play tomorrow. Last part I will paraphrase, something about when he’s on the ice it is his safe place.
 
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bhamill said:
I hear you. And I'm not saying KK is untouchable, just that selling low on him, whether part of a package or not, is bad business. I mean its hard to say whether the deal is a good one or not unless we can see the deal. Hahaha. My point is unless you are getting at LEAST the trade value of a defensively excellent 40 point winger, you're selling low on him. I don't mean him PLUS for that winger/value, I'm saying that is HIS value as part of the package. And I honestly don't think you can get that value for him while injured off of his offensively worst start to a season.
Also, Zib was about 10 points per 80 games less than Brass the two years prior to the trade, but had a better year than Brass immediately following the trade.
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concur

Lindberg Cheese said:
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If I fit in a trade For Broberg would that change your mind?
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no
 
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NickyFotiu said:
I really like Chytil but my concern is each time he has this head injury, the perception that he will have future issues increases. If this injury happens again will it be too late to entertain a trade?
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Yeah it will be too late, but the real question is are you really going to get fair value for him at this point? When would that be?

Even if he comes back and lights it up it would have to be sustained into next season and at that point why would you want to move him?

Who knows. The head stuff is extremely individualistic. Crosby was dangerously teetering out of a career with concussion issues and he and his team figured it out.

Hopefully Chytil will get more than enough time to heal up and come back strong but yeah. I think we all have that fear
 
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