Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Avery16]

Let’s go for it. dangle Kakko and Lindgren, add accordingly, to get Lindholm and Hanifin.

How does that fit under the cap this or any year afterwards

 

[IDvsEGO]

Hmmmm I'm probably the most anti tank person you will ever find on this board so I found that reply unusual. My wanting to improve the team to better our chances this season is not a request to tank in any way shape or form. I have never wanted to tank in any sport. That is the opposite of my nature.
By the way the person that made that quote was a very respected GM with 4 rings and is in the Hall Of Fame.

Wanting to improve the team is a great concept, but you’d have to subtract to add at this point.
Who are saying to move early rather than later, because moving Ck Mika or Panarin sends this team into a tank, not “improving”

 

[NYR Viper]

I followed but you made it about Trouba (and it was after someone noted that among other things leadership and intangibles of Trouba makes him different from Hanifin). You could've just said that Hanifin getting $7x7 is acceptable which is fine.


Sorry, this is what I "expected".

No worries

 

[NickyFotiu]

Wanting to improve the team is a great concept, but you’d have to subtract to add at this point.
Who are saying to move early rather than later, because moving Ck Mika or Panarin sends this team into a tank, not “improving”

I do not believe I ever mentioned moving Bread.

If a team wanted to discuss Mika I would not make that trade to tank. I would make that trade if it improved the team. Did trading Brassard for Mika mean we were trying to tank? Did Moving Nichols and Sandstrom for Messier mean we were trying to tank? Did moving Dubinsky for Nash mean we wanted to tank? You are making assumptions that are not there.

 

[NYR Viper]

How does that fit under the cap this or any year afterwards

It fits

 

[bhamill]

Why don't we just trade Bonino for Jack while we're at it?

Please. Don't be ridiculous. We are breaking up the bro's, we'd have to get Jack INSTEAD of Luke. Can't get both or the same problem persists!!

 

[duhmetreE]

Our recent play resembles our recent posting.

 

[17futurecap]

 

[bhamill]

A wise man once said, 'I'd rather trade guys 1 season too soon than 1 season too late'.

I think the Rangers have 3-4 guys they should keep that saying in mind.

Ottawa traded Zib "one season too soon" (or three)... after his D+5.
But if you are talking about "older" players, not developing ones, I would agree.

 

[hardnosed]

That doesn't sound like a family issue.

 

[Machinehead]

That doesn't sound like a family issue.

To me, it doesn't sound like something that would have improved in a few days if it were a mental issue or an addiction issue.

I would speculate, based on the quote that somebody in the family was sick or some other short-term misfortune. That would definitely constitute "headspace."

 

[fm]

weird statement. it's going to invite loads of conjecture and speculation

 

[Fitzy]

weird statement. it's going to invite loads of conjecture and speculation

Only if we let it.

We could all just collectively agree to move past it

 

[Avery16]

It fits

Where is Lindholm?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Ottawa traded Zib "one season too soon" (or three)... after his D+5.
But if you are talking about "older" players, not developing ones, I would agree.

Ottawa traded Zibs many seasons too soon. That was not the kind of player Branch Rickey (nor George Steinbrenner) were referring to with that quote.

I was also thinking of veterans that may decline soon. With that said I would also consider younger guys like Lindgren (needs a contract), Chytil (injury worries) and KK (fast declining value) if a deal could be made for a top line forward or defensemen.

 

[hardnosed]

To me, it doesn't sound like something that would have improved in a few days if it were a mental issue or an addiction issue.

I would speculate, based on the quote that somebody in the family was sick or some other short-term misfortune. That would definitely constitute "headspace."

Obviously I hope you are right. I focused on him saying I'm doing better, I'm in a better headspace as opposed to things are better, etc.

 

[NYR Viper]

Where is Lindholm?

Sorry I made this a couple of days ago and targeted Hanifan. I'm not overly interested in Lindholm.

Only if we let it.

We could all just collectively agree to move past it

Do you know where you are?

 

[bhamill]

To me, it doesn't sound like something that would have improved in a few days if it were a mental issue or an addiction issue.

I would speculate, based on the quote that somebody in the family was sick or some other short-term misfortune. That would definitely constitute "headspace."

I agree.

 

[Machinehead]

Obviously I hope you are right. I focused on him saying I'm doing better, I'm in a better headspace as opposed to things are better, etc.

You're reading too much into it.

When my mom passed or other relatives got sick, she didn't un-die and people didn't get over cancer in three days.

*I* started feeling better about it as time passed.

Obviously, we have no idea, but it's a statement that makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Avery16]

Sorry I made this a couple of days ago and targeted Hanifan. I'm not overly interested in Lindholm.

Lindholm is a big part of the post you were replying to.

 

[Daves a mess]

Robertson stinks

I get from his previous season camp interviews, that deep down, he agrees with ya.

 

[bhamill]

Ottawa traded Zibs many seasons too soon. That was not the kind of player Branch Rickey (nor George Steinbrenner) were referring to with that quote.

I was also thinking of veterans that may decline soon. With that said I would also consider younger guys like Lindgren (needs a contract), Chytil (injury worries) and KK (fast declining value) if a deal could be made for a top line forward or defensemen.

Yeah, it was three seasons after NYR got Zib that he was close to PPG.
I can see your reasons for Lindgren, and the unknown of Chytil's health, but Kakko having topped out at 40 5v5 points at 21-22 would be a huge outlier on how players develop. He had a down TWENTY games, it's not a trend, its not a year over year thing. Improvement is the overall trend. His value is tanked NOW, it would be bad business to sell low on him. His min value is a 40 point defensive wiz. You won't get that value for him, and we'd be selling several seasons too soon...

 

[JimmyG89]

I think every team in the league has that problem if 2 of their top 3 centers get hurt.

No not every team, especially the good ones. There are rosters that have centers on the wing. Vegas has a bunch of centers or guys that have played center at the NHL level that are on the wing. We do not have those. We have centers and we have wingers. Obviously Panarin isn't playing center, but Lafreniere hasn't, Kreider takes some draws, but doesn't play C. The guy that has done it is Wheeler, but at this stage of his career, I do not think that is an option.

If you are a good team and franchise, you have options to move guys down the middle in the event of an injury. Someone in the top 6 played center and moved to wing and can do it for a period of time. This team does not. We're two guys capable of being a middle 6 center away from being in those spots. in 2023, Nick Bonino is not a viable option as next man up for 3C and there is no young center that you want to give a shot to either.

When the Devils lost Hughes and Hischier, they had Mercer, Haula, and McLeod. Those are not world beaters, but Haula blows away anyone we have after our top 3 and McLeod is an upgrade on them. Carolina minus Aho+Kotka and they'd still have Necas/Staal/Drury. Someone slides over and takes the middle.

The issue isn't that those options as 1-3Cs are not ideal, but the Rangers might have the worst organizational C depth around the league, at least of the playoff teams. At least there are options coming on RW, there is next to nothing for C. Bryce McConnell-Barker is the only guy that stands out, maybe Korczak, as a young center in the organization, and only one of them can be called up.

This is the reason people want someone like Lindholm, Gourde, Henrique, etc instead of adding a RW as a deadline candidate. We can move Chytil out there, you could play one of these guys out there. We added Copp that played center and filled in at times, but was on the wing with Strome and Panarin. You need versatility over 82 games. This team as constructed is missing a lot of that.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Yeah, it was three seasons after NYR got Zib that he was close to PPG.
I can see your reasons for Lindgren, and the unknown of Chytil's health, but Kakko having topped out at 40 5v5 points at 21-22 would be a huge outlier on how players develop. He had a down TWENTY games, it's not a trend, its not a year over year thing. Improvement is the overall trend. His value is tanked NOW, it would be bad business to sell low on him. His min value is a 40 point defensive wiz. You won't get that value for him, and we'd be selling several seasons too soon...

Zibs was basically as good or better than Brassard right from the start so that was a really good trade for us. To put it in terms of that Branch Rickey quote it was us trading the player (29 year old Brassard) 1 season too soon instead of 1 season too late.

I'm not looking to give KK away but if KK needs to be part of a package to get a top line forward or a top line Dman I'm open to it. We need top line players more than 40 point players in my opinion.

 

[bernmeister]

Let’s go for it. dangle Kakko and Lindgren, add accordingly, to get Lindholm and Hanifin.

no