Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Daves a mess]

Kakko and Chytil are gonna be really rested for the playoffs after playing 40 games this year.

First game back, Kakko quits hockey after he takes the first slap shot of his life ( clocked at 14 mph), it goes 11 feet wide, and hits Fil in the calf.

We never see either ever again.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

First game back, Kakko quits hockey after he takes the first slap shot of his life ( clocked at 14 mph), it goes 11 feet wide, and hits Fil in the calf.

We never see either ever again.

Jovo wishes he could shoot 14 mph

 

[mas0764]

@mas0764 will love the Zegras suggestion.

Tell me about Hanifin. I dont know much about him. Theres definitely a spot he could take long term in our top 4 if we want to extend him though.

I hate giving up on Kakko but wings for centers makes sense. Thats the only type of deal that makes sense for Kakko unless we keep him. We have more wings in Perrault and Othmann coming. We even have Sykora, Cuylle and Berard too maybe.

At center we have two 30 year olds and a concussion prone youngster.

I doubt you need to add Lindgren to Kakko to get Zegras though. Zegras isn’t exactly tearing it up. Lindgren is a 25 year old first pair defender.

 

[mas0764]

So yeah at what point do we start worrying that we only have one line that scores?

 

[mas0764]

I like how Edmonton declined Pavel Buchnevich off an ELC with 4 more years of control so they could draft a 7th D.

And cost us Zegras in the process.

 

[huerter]

So yeah at what point do we start worrying that we only have one line that scores?

When we lose two in a row.

 

[haohmaru]

I hate giving up on Kakko but wings for centers makes sense. Thats the only type of deal that makes sense for Kakko unless we keep him. We have more wings in Perrault and Othmann coming. We even have Sykora, Cuylle and Berard too maybe.

At center we have two 30 year olds and a concussion prone youngster.

I doubt you need to add Lindgren to Kakko to get Zegras though. Zegras isn’t exactly tearing it up. Lindgren is a 25 year old first pair defender.

We're so thin at RW we can't send Kakko anywhere.

Jones, Goodrow, 1st+ for Zegras. Even the the money doesn't work.

 

[RangerBoy]

Frank got the Broberg rumor wrong. Edmonton didn't give Brodberg's agent permission to seek out a trade. Frank got the Gibson rumor wrong too in the summer. Gibson never said he wasn’t playing another game for the Ducks. Broberg and Gibson probably did request trades. Frank got the cap stuff wrong last season. The cap wasn’t going up by more than $1M as long as the players owed money to the NHL. Frank kept pushing the cap will increase by more than $1M. The NHL announced the $87,675,000 upper limit for next season on Monday. Frank is saying the NHL and NHLPA could negotiate a higher number. Does anyone really see Bettman and Daly doing that? There were reports about getting more than $1M for this season and taking it off the projected increase for next season. NHL said no. Frank reports the Rangers are interested in Kane. Brooks reports the Rangers don't have interest in Kane II. It's always the same stuff with Frank. The NHL CBA expires in September 2026. They can discuss changing the formula at that point in time. Frank is more wrong than right.

 

[RGY]

Frank got the Broberg rumor wrong. Edmonton didn't give Brodberg's agent permission to seek out a trade. Frank got the Gibson rumor wrong too in the summer. Gibson never said he wasn’t playing another game for the Ducks. Broberg and Gibson probably did request trades. Frank got the cap stuff wrong last season. The cap wasn’t going up by more than $1M as long as the players owed money to the NHL. Frank kept pushing the cap will increase by more than $1M. The NHL announced the $87,675,000 upper limit for next season on Monday. Frank is saying the NHL and NHLPA could negotiate a higher number. Does anyone really see Bettman and Daly doing that? There were reports about getting more than $1M for this season and taking it off the projected increase for next season. NHL said no. Frank reports the Rangers are interested in Kane. Brooks reports the Rangers don't have interest in Kane II. It's always the same stuff with Frank. The NHL CBA expires in September 2026. They can discuss changing the formula at that point in time. Frank is more wrong than right.

It’s like you had this personal falling out with Frank or that he hurt you that you go to this length to call him out…

 

[Barnaby]

I hate giving up on Kakko but wings for centers makes sense. Thats the only type of deal that makes sense for Kakko unless we keep him. We have more wings in Perrault and Othmann coming. We even have Sykora, Cuylle and Berard too maybe.

At center we have two 30 year olds and a concussion prone youngster.

I doubt you need to add Lindgren to Kakko to get Zegras though. Zegras isn’t exactly tearing it up. Lindgren is a 25 year old first pair defender.

I think you’re “giving up” on Kakko if you move him for a 3rd round pick or a rental.

I don’t think you’re “giving up” on Kakko if he’s a major component in a Zegras trade. That’s a hockey trade, not selling low.

You also mention Zegras as a C. The versatility is nice, but I’ve seen a lot of people who think his future lies on the wing. I don’t really have an opinion on that since I haven’t seen enough of him. However, being as C is the more valuable position, I think a majority of people projecting him as a W shows that maybe you don’t have a great handle on what he brings long term.

I would think the + on Kakko to get Zegras would have to be significant. I’d certainly be interested in hearing what that is. An “advanced stat” winger who hasn’t shown offensive growth, vs a guy whose proven he can score at the NHL level.

 

[mas0764]

I think you’re “giving up” on Kakko if you move him for a 3rd round pick or a rental.

I don’t think you’re “giving up” on Kakko if he’s a major component in a Zegras trade. That’s a hockey trade, not selling low.

You also mention Zegras as a C. The versatility is nice, but I’ve seen a lot of people who think his future lies on the wing. I don’t really have an opinion on that since I haven’t seen enough of him. However, being as C is the more valuable position, I think a majority of people projecting him as a W shows that maybe you don’t have a great handle on what he brings long term.

I would think the + on Kakko to get Zegras would have to be significant. I’d certainly be interested in hearing what that is. An “advanced stat” winger who hasn’t shown offensive growth, vs a guy whose proven he can score at the NHL level.

I feel like it's giving up in the sense that you'd be dealing him for less than what you originally perceived his upside to be (a first line NHL all-star type player in the mold of Rantanen or Barkov); you're giving up on him ever reaching that upside.

But yeah that's what I'm saying makes sense - dealing him in a "hockey trade," where you aren't just unloading him, but getting a player in Zegras who is currently having his own struggles and has been passed on the depth chart but still has top 6 upside himself.

I would think you'd have to add to Kakko to get Zegras but I wouldn't think it would have to be a 25 year old top pair defenseman.

 

[bernmeister]

It’s like you had this personal falling out with Frank or that he hurt you that you go to this length to call him out…

@RangerBoy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank

keep 'em comin, RB
tell it like it is, let your conscience be your guide

 

[Avery16]

It’s like you had this personal falling out with Frank or that he hurt you that you go to this length to call him out…

It doesn't read that way to me at all.

 

[Fitzy]

So yeah at what point do we start worrying that we only have one line that scores?

Today somewhat. Underlying hope is that a potential Chytil return provides us more balance.

You don't want to break up the Panarin line, perhaps Mika and Kreider need another break from playing with each other. Problem is we have very limited options with offensive upside to mix them with.

Maybe Othmann gets a shot before the deadline to show what he can do before we make any trades.

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[duhmetreE]

I know as a team we're fatigued. We are not playing to our capabilities...

We can't be just Panarin.

Zibs is really becoming a problem. He is just simply not good enough at 5v5.

 

[Fitzy]

I know as a team we're fatigued. We are not playing to our capabilities...

We can't be just Panarin.

Zibs is really becoming a problem. He is just simply not good enough at 5v5.

So much of his 5-on-5 production comes on the counter attack.

You almost never see Z cycling in the offensive zone at even strength. His game is built around using his good hands to get his stick into passing lanes and create neutral zone turnovers.

One issue is that Kreider has lost a step of speed, reducing their options to stretch the ice. Another has been that both Wheeler and Kakko have been way behind the plays this season- you're almost more likely to see a defenseman join the play and become the 3rd option than the wings they have played with.

I want to see Kreider-Zib-Vesey given an opportunity. I think Vesey has enough skill and smarts to not be an anchor. Back in 2014 when we had a center injury Dominic Moore stepped in on the top line and did great. Very familar story. Player acquired in their prospect years to be a skill guy, reinvents himself as a defensive forward, returns to the Rangers, but still have enough offensive skill to be plugged into a greater role from time to time.

Promote the Jimmster

 

[surlysailor]

Kakko for Broberg...??

More like broberg for Dominque. Bro can’t even get playing time on a bad oilers defense.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So much of his 5-on-5 production comes on the counter attack.

You almost never see Z cycling in the offensive zone at even strength. His game is built around using his good hands to get his stick into passing lanes and create neutral zone turnovers.

One issue is that Kreider has lost a step of speed, reducing their options to stretch the ice. Another has been that both Wheeler and Kakko have been way behind the plays this season- you're almost more likely to see a defenseman join the play and become the 3rd option than the wings they have played with.

I want to see Kreider-Zib-Vesey given an opportunity. I think Vesey has enough skill and smarts to not be an anchor. Back in 2014 when we had a center injury Dominic Moore stepped in on the top line and did great. Very familar story. Player acquired in their prospect years to be a skill guy, reinvents himself as a defensive forward, returns to the Rangers, but still have enough offensive skill to be plugged into a greater role from time to time.

Promote the Jimmster

Kreider still pulls away from pretty much everyone he gets a half step on so I'm not buying this. He made McAvoy look like Staal a few weeks ago.

the Issue with Kreider/Zib is that Kreider tries to become a finesse player when they're together. Kreiders best work will always be playing more of a cycle based game and that just doesn't happen with Zibanejad (because he won't do it and Zibanejad can't.)

I'm all for throwing Vesey up there and seeing what happens but I think the answer (when they get a healthy roster) is to split the 2 of them up. I'm confident that Kreider can and would be effective if he plays with Troceck or Chytil - Those combos have always worked.

 

[duhmetreE]

So much of his 5-on-5 production comes on the counter attack.

You almost never see Z cycling in the offensive zone at even strength. His game is built around using his good hands to get his stick into passing lanes and create neutral zone turnovers.

One issue is that Kreider has lost a step of speed, reducing their options to stretch the ice. Another has been that both Wheeler and Kakko have been way behind the plays this season- you're almost more likely to see a defenseman join the play and become the 3rd option than the wings they have played with.

I want to see Kreider-Zib-Vesey given an opportunity. I think Vesey has enough skill and smarts to not be an anchor. Back in 2014 when we had a center injury Dominic Moore stepped in on the top line and did great. Very familar story. Player acquired in their prospect years to be a skill guy, reinvents himself as a defensive forward, returns to the Rangers, but still have enough offensive skill to be plugged into a greater role from time to time.

Promote the Jimmster

Even then... he gets the puck far too often and either fumbles it/turns it over... or dumps it in. Doesn't use his wrist shot anymore like he used to. over passes. patented drive by's when 'pressuring' the puck in the OZ and NZ.

He's our 1C. We need more than that.

I have no problem promoting Vesey. I have a problem with what Zibs devolved into

 

[NickyFotiu]

So yeah at what point do we start worrying that we only have one line that scores?

Chytil-KK-Perraught-Jones-4 first round picks-free medium cokes for life at MSG for McDavid

 

[RangersFan1994]

I think you’re “giving up” on Kakko if you move him for a 3rd round pick or a rental.

I don’t think you’re “giving up” on Kakko if he’s a major component in a Zegras trade. That’s a hockey trade, not selling low.

You also mention Zegras as a C. The versatility is nice, but I’ve seen a lot of people who think his future lies on the wing. I don’t really have an opinion on that since I haven’t seen enough of him. However, being as C is the more valuable position, I think a majority of people projecting him as a W shows that maybe you don’t have a great handle on what he brings long term.

I would think the + on Kakko to get Zegras would have to be significant. I’d certainly be interested in hearing what that is. An “advanced stat” winger who hasn’t shown offensive growth, vs a guy whose proven he can score at the NHL level.

I like Zegras but to be honest I wonder if McTavish would be a better option, if he was available. Mason McTavish has Jordan Staal upside in my opinion. If they are gonna pay up, I rather they pay for McTavish.

 

[Fitzy]

Kakko, Jones/Robertson, and a prospect/pick doesn't get you as far as I think people would like it to.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I like Zegras but to be honest I wonder if McTavish would be a better option, if he was available. Mason McTavish has Jordan Staal upside in my opinion. If they are gonna pay up, I rather they pay for McTavish.

uhhhhh...

McTavish is not available and his upside is MUCH higher than Jordan Staal.

Might as well ask for Mintyukov and Carlsson while we're at it.

 

[RangersFan1994]

So much of his 5-on-5 production comes on the counter attack.

You almost never see Z cycling in the offensive zone at even strength. His game is built around using his good hands to get his stick into passing lanes and create neutral zone turnovers.

One issue is that Kreider has lost a step of speed, reducing their options to stretch the ice. Another has been that both Wheeler and Kakko have been way behind the plays this season- you're almost more likely to see a defenseman join the play and become the 3rd option than the wings they have played with.

I want to see Kreider-Zib-Vesey given an opportunity. I think Vesey has enough skill and smarts to not be an anchor. Back in 2014 when we had a center injury Dominic Moore stepped in on the top line and did great. Very familar story. Player acquired in their prospect years to be a skill guy, reinvents himself as a defensive forward, returns to the Rangers, but still have enough offensive skill to be plugged into a greater role from time to time.

Promote the Jimmster

Vesey is the best option but coach doesn’t want to break up the 4th line. I prefer Vesey over AHL 30 year old Al-Star Brodzinski. I’d rather Othmann or someone like Rempe or Edstrom get called up over an AHL lifer especially if Goodrow is out for more than a game.